Gospel Oak To Barking Riverside Preview Stream Thoughts - An Actual Solid Dtg Route?

They never answered that question. They were too busy finding elevators. I don't get why DTG were making a big deal about an elevator. My apartment as an elevator. The subway station I live near has an elevator. I don't care about an elevator in a video game

 

It really does start to look poor value - especially what I've just paid for three very long routes in TSC in the sale (Wasatch, Havre to Shelby and B&O Cumberland) all for £37 which gives me 100's of driveable miles.

 

good point I forgot that one lol

 

Agreed. I can see this route being a stepping stone for more routes with Aventras, other Overground routes, and other routes around Barking.

 

I just wanna say i find the eternal "long route vs short route" battle so, so, so boring.

A route is either well-made, or it's not IMO.

Everything else is pure personal preference.

 

Its not really a long vs short arguement its a replayability arguement.

Fife Circle isnt a 'long route' but the replayability is high theres a multitude of DIFFERENT services to complete. Rivet did the whole circle not just one part.

The community, from my angle, isnt asking for longer routes instead more interesting ones. Nobody is asking for 100 miles of track.

All we get from DTG is A-B 1 line routes. Goblin would have been more interesting if it had NLL. NLL isnt a long route probably 20 miles at a guess.

Goblin wont live long as its a 1 line route 13 miles 13 stations 154 services which are practically all the same. No variantion in stopping pattern or anything. The most you will get is an empty stock move.

Everyone hammers on about the fact theres ECML ai as if that makes the route amazing and fun forever.

Face the reality your gonna get bored of it relatively fast. Compared to something like GWML, ECW, BML, BCC

 

Not always, there are a few routes with branches.

 

Sorry I mean UK routes

 

This has been a thing since Great Western Express really.

"30 minutes each way in an HST and be satisfied." is the general DTG thought process.

6 years later, and they still can't understand why people don't rush to drop £30 every time.

 

It’s funny, but not too long ago people were banging on as to why we had no working elevators in the game. Now that we have one, or few (I never counted how many Matt found on stream) people have their pitch folks out, and are against them. I’m not personally going against your previous comment or anything like that, I just wanted to make bring up people’s love/hate relationship towards elevators on TSW.
I don’t see the point having them either, when I play TSW I want to drive trains, and not step foot into mechanical death traps smelling of wee

 

But, not all UK routes are A to B.

East Coastway and BML being good examples.

 

Those routes are how old? After BML name me a route that came with branches except SEHS.

 

Bcc and blackpool

 

I mean they did Bromsgrove and Redditch in TSC so id expect them to do it in TSW too?

BPO isnt by DTG.

 

Does Glossop count with its short branch?

 

will mark it into my OCD brain, thank you

 

you still wanted us to list other uk routes released after bml that have branches

 

If you read what message that was originally replied to you can see I was talking about DTG

Check what Jack originally replied to it says DTG.

 

No matter their age, they're still examples of UK routes by DTG with branches.

 

Right and these routes are some of the best. Then its just gone down hill. I mean me personally I believe they should have included West Croydon and Horsham (via Crawley). But thats just me.

Goblin is tragic.

 

BCC was boring as all hell, and most definitely an A-B route.

They could have added Bescot TMD and Walsall train station, which would have opened up an absolute ton of freight and new passenger services.

The class 150/2 from WCL could have been reskinned and realistically ran the half-hourly all stations Birmingham-Walsall service.

But no, too much work for DTG as usual.

 

I’ll keep an eye on Goblin line (until after the Z-Fighting gets sorted on my already large TSW collection), the scenery in particular was standing out quite nicely I thought, noticed foliage more in between tracks which I thought has been missing on other routes compared to reality, that does need to be done quite carefully though, don’t want bushes and stuff coming through the train.

 

In this you are 100% right, and the community suggested since 4 years back to put a little effort in more variety related to routes, not just A-B, but add instead branches or maybe a second line.

I guess DTG didnt get the point because they are focused on bare minimum. For me purchais on a heavy sale.

(In fact im sure this 13miles are well done, but in terms of routes & extras and variety, TSW ist still not up to TSC standard)

 

I somewhat enjoyed BCC but you are correct it got very repetitive. Just as Goblin Line should have been just a part of a wider North London network, BCC should have been the springboard to a wider West Mids network. Yes, despite all the hype, the huge amount of work put in by the WMT personnel (Daisy etc.) it now languishes in the pile of quickly forgotten DLC. They couldn’t even be bothered to go back in and place the missing lineside fencing south of Birmingham. That could be done without altering the track or signalling database.

 

Ngl i quite enjoy BCC from the service selector thingy it looks like some of the services are just duplicates but if you actually drive them some of them have completely different stopping patterns for example some Lichfield city trains skip all stations between Aston and Four Oaks where as some are all stoppers.

Also alot of the services arent full length you will find a couple Four Oaks - Longbridge trains and stuff

However I do think they should have included the depot

 

Ok crikey that's photo is old. That's me leaning out of the window lolol. 150s haven't worked there for over 15 years, and most of those were a different subclass to the Rivet version. It would have been a bit of a stretch for a route set recently. I would agree though it would have been nice to have 323 AI on the Wolverhampton - Walsall and International shuttles. They'd not long been replaced by 350s.

 

I don’t quite see the displeasure of paying full price for a route especially the comment that the Goblin is only £2 cheaper than the preorder price of fife circle.

I equate it to how much would it cost me to travel on the railway in real life. Certainly costs me more than £30 to get to both rail routes before adding the cost of riding on the line. I buy each route to play on both xbox and steam and am happy with the price.

 

I'm thinking in pure entertainment terms. And driving a route on a 2D screen is not really the same as experiencing in real life! If you are happy to pay that sort of price (twice) for such a short route, best of luck. Some of us will sit back and wait for a sale while enjoying something that offers much better value for money.

 

OV, my point was not aimed at you but to who you replied to

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With the lack of a pre-order discount this route is just £2 cheaper than Fife Circle, this one can wait for a sale.”

 

I like modern routes, modern trains & end to end routes, but this one isn’t quite appealing to me all that much. Unless there’s some surprises and startling reviews, think I’ll wait for a sale.

 

Its like £1-3 to ride the Goblin...

 

If I'm being brutally honest I would much prefer DTG do London Overground in Different Sections Under 20 miles that looks fantastic, than a whole network imo

Like GOBLIN
North London Line
East London Line
Etc...

While they could have done it all in one, it would probably be too much work. And GOBLIN tbh, is a good start.

 

Logically they should do the Clapham and Richmond branches to Gospel Oak next, that would be another 15 miles of track and plenty of opportunity for freight services and action around Willesden. I know the length would be an issue but urban routes are harder to model than ones that go through open countryside.

 

Logically they would do the whole line from Clapham Junction and Richmond

 

Id like the whole L overground network right over to Stratford and down to Croydon or at least New cross but there is diddly squat chance of that happening in one game seeing how urban routes tend to be in train Sim world.

 

I wouldnt expect the whole of the London Overground its well over 100 miles probably even 200. However I do believe if they are going to do any of the lines they should do the whole line or none of it

 

My point of reference was comparing the two routes rather than comparing playing a video game to travelling on a real train, although I have in the past compared the price of TSW4 to the £500 it would cost to buy the Azuma model from Hornby.

What I take displeasure in is DTG selling the route for £5 less than standard sized routes, but then not offering the pre-order discount on that cheaper route, thus negating most of the discount, I doubt I'm the only one who would have picked it up with 10% off but will now be waiting until a 25%/40% sale.

 

Yeah i refuse to pay nearly £60 on 2 routes. One that is around 50 miles and one that is 13.

I honestly find it shocking how they can charge £25 for a route 3x smaller than a £30 route

 

Considering this is a short route I feel the price is fair and generous as some longer routes you pay for have far less activity and stations. Compare this route to LGV and we have far more to do and enjoy especially with 13 stations to explore and some difficult collectables to hunt around for. I’m looking forward to it and think the price is fair and doesn’t need a pre-order.

Pre-ordering should be scrapped as it is only available to steam customers and not the rest. If you don’t want to pay the release price, wait for the next sale, it won’t be long before it’s released and possibly 50% off by next Christmas.

 

Wait you think goblins randomly placed by the devs warrant the price being just £5 short of a route that is almost 3x longer and has the exact same features?

Most if not all routes come with collectables and the vast majority come with a new train. The 710 only has 154 services. The 'over 1000 services' line they are using is talking about AI such as ECML and freight.

If the only thing they can bang on about is the fact theres working lifts and theres AI on the ECML then theres clearly something wrong

 

Maybe not advocate for everyone paying more? Why would you ask for a discount to be removed lol? That's the most backwards logic I've seen.

 

I really dont get it.

How can the Route foliage and surroundings looking this good, when just sime weeks before we got Maintalbahn, which was ridiculous looking especially compared to goblin.

Sadly other than ita looks, it doesn't seem to provide anything really special that end up in huge gameplay value.

Like said above, foliage buildings and surroundings looked really good, thats actually a level i would like to see in general. HAVING A GOOD STANDARD across all Routes.

I dont want to decide if quality or quantity. For the price that is asked every bit of content should be at least as good as the looks of this route. A long Route should be looking as good. And yes, i want 100 miles + routes (just because i saw it in this thread) but don't understand why longer routes ultimately should be low quality.

 

There could be a silver lining to this length issue - MaintalBahn was quite short, but followed up with Salzburg-Rosenheim which IMO is one of the better quality German Routes & offered a fair bit of gameplay for a wider collection of trains that typically didn’t have much else to do on other routes.

DTG are now working on a follow up UK route, so if the pattern sticks, we should be in with a treat with it.

I don’t agree with the method overall, DTG obviously need more time for routes these days, but are still trying to stick to the same release schedule, which is resulting in the short routes that obviously only exist to sustain their cashflow.

Realistically GOBLIN could have come with NLL combined & it wouldn’t break the average route length we see. If it had I think this DLC would have received much less controversy then we’re currently seeing.

 

I am not asking for a preorder discount to be removed but for it to be fair and the same for everyone depending on what system you play on. At the moment a preorder discount is only available for Steam PC players and xbox game pass players who can get 10% off any release.

 

Indege, I think the price is fair. Those that don’t can wait for a sale.

 

PS sometimes get the PS+ discount, not sure what the conditions are for it being applied though.

 

Which is because MS and Sony have their own policies that prevent it, it's not up to DTG. So maybe take it up with them, rather than trying to make people on PC need to pay more?
Because that's a really anti-consumer take.

 

I am not, I am happy to pay the price, whatever DTG set it as, whether it’s pre-order or not. It is what it is and l am very happy to pay whatever DTG as for.

 

I find it hard to believe that Steam players are gutted that there isn‘t a £2.50 preorder discount. I suppose if you get used to special privileges then it does sting when they are removed and let’s be honest £2.50 is one helluva sting. Ouch.

 

I mean, it's certainly made me hold off. £25 is too much for this route IMO, doesn't have the longevity to interest me long enough for that price. £22.50 was still a bit too high but was more tempting.