I don’t get why it’s an issue for people to come on here and critique products? It’s the only way things improve, sure if you are happy with a substandard route, with literal msts esque scenery and an arid timetable that’s fine for you, but rivet cannot sit here and demand 30 pounds for that absolute dumpster fire of a route, FCL has been a very highly requested route and it just feels like a slap in the face that rivet have been allowed to release whatever that route is. It’s just horrible, and you have people here still defending the route after some of the good things DTG have given us recently. This route doesn’t deserve its hefty price tag, and it’s sad, because we will never get the best version of this very very nice route. Sorry if I have standards for my routes, but I expect the best from a route I’m spending 30 quid for. EDIT: what ticks me off more is the response from rivet, no form of accountability and literally treating loyal customers, who rivet have disappointed multiple times in the past like trash because we want them to fix the route. I’m tired of all these broken promises from rivet and I believe DTG need to intervene as they’ve been doing this too much. At least skyhook came back, took consumer feedback and listened, but with rivet we are still waiting on WCL to be somewhat good in 2024. Enough really is enough and I want better from rivet. We are paying 30 quid for these routes they are not free
So Rivet's marketing strategy is to attack customers who review their product and then sign up lots of false accounts on DTG forums to praise their own route? That alone should get them banned from producing any more TSW third party content.
God the silence from DTG is absolutely deafening on this......Rivet deserve the ire of the player base but let's be honest here TSW is a DTG IP. An incredibly poor DLC is about to drop tomorrow for their game , surely Matt and and the rest of the team can't be happy to see a game which in my opinion has improved In regards to some of its latest content take such a step back, and it's a dramatic step back, the scenery and in particular the timetable In this DLC is incredibly poor. It stinks of a lazy half assed cash grab that somehow looks worse then the TSC version of the route , where is the passion and pride in the product guys? Where is the respect for your players and customers? No one HAS to buy it but even offering something like this for sale is an insult to the intelligence of your customers I mean do they really think this will impress us?
i think one reason there's been such a unifying response to this is that Fife Circle is one of the most requested routes, and when it was announced i couldn't wait to get my hands on it but now what we have is so substandard, with so many obvious issues (empty timetable, empty green field instead of Edinburgh Airport).. so many people really wanted this route, myself included, and i really went into this with optimism and hope, but what has been presented (forth bridge aside) is nowhere near good enough. i've bought every modern uk based route to date, and aside from ECML this is the number one route i would have wanted.. but i cannot spend any amount of money on this (let alone £30) as it is simply not good enough. and i hate to say that and to be negative, but we've all seen what we've seen and from my perspective there's sadly no other conclusion to come to.
I totally agree with you, it’s really sad that the community keeps going on about the same issues like a broken clock. And it’s even sadder because DTG have stepped up since TSW3, they’ve improved a lot of their routes apart from the one questionable one (maintalbahn) their other routes have been really good
exactly, and when Goblin and Fife were announced i wasn't too fussed about Goblin, but it's one of the best produced route's DTG have created.. and seeing Fife in comparison to that is really sad and such a step backwards
Same, I thought FCL would be the world beater that goblin currently is, seems like for every step DTG takes forward, rivet takes 2 leaps backwards
DadRail is being very blunt about the mediocre scenery. Rivet can't even get the ambassadors on side with this shitshow. He has also shown the trains regularly clipping through bridges. You couldn't make it up.
I laughed when DadRail said the scenery looked brilliant in the fog... when you couldn't see it! He also confirmed there was no exhaust clag on the 170... what were they thinking releasing it like this?
Apparently we do though, as people aren’t happy with the plain looking fields and vegetation near to the train side.
This scolding coming from the guy who launched a targeted assault on Jane under his previous identity of torfmeister, got banned, and came back under a new name?
They said they'd fix issues with other routes previously and guess what.......THEY DIDN'T. There is no reason to believe anything they say anymore...
They have planned content for this route though from Skyhook, so they can’t afford not get into everyone’s good graces. People threatening to bomb their place of work (On Rivet forums), probably doesn’t help the devs much though.
They're hardly going to get in anyones good graces by releasing that tripe they call a route and then blatantly dismissing people on their social media/forum etc.
Please tell me they have high quality insects. That's actually a good sign that the route is not as bad as past offerings. Key words: "as bad". What do you expect DTG to do? Openly rip Rivet on their own forum? That would be one hell of a way to end any kind of future relationship. They can't do that openly. If there is anything said, it won't be out here with us. If the relationship is ended, we'll find out that Rivet won't be doing any more for the game. That is it.
That's the biggest load of nonsense I've ever heard, rather than trusting an official source that's updated every month you'd trust the word of one Community Manager to say that an "extension" is coming before it's even confirmed... Stop believing in what Rivet Games says, you'd end up just being disappointed when it doesn't actually happen
POV: Rivet Games In all seriousness I really hope they get their heads on straight and realise what an absolute mess they've made here. They're losing so many customers treating us all like disposable money bags.
No secret and nothing wrong. I had received a 14 days ban, decided to delete my account (now listed as Guest) and signed up three months later again, even telling that I am the same person. Which is a different thing than using a second account while you're banned. I had targeted a proven liar trying to sell things, based on discussion with former victims (who even paid his court bills though he lost) and publicly available court documents. Nothing wrong with that. Call it scolding, I call it stop playing identity games. If you want to defend people playing tricks on others, or looking down on train cleaners, harassing respectable forum members and friends of mine: that casts a bad light onto yourself, so be careful who you are attacking - though your reasons might appear to be noble.
This whole debacle reminds me of the WCML South that came out for TS Classic back in 2020. Clearly unfinished scenery, dodgy route building, infrastructure clipping with the train, the list goes on! At least DTG came back and fixed the route in the end and not once did they try to pin the blame on the community! How Rivet thinks this is acceptable is beyond me. The route is clearly unfinished and needs more time in the oven!
This is blind faith. Matt has said multiple times. If it’s not on the roadmap. It isn’t happening. You telling people to have faith doesn’t change that. We are getting the 158 in 4-6 months. That is the only plan for Fife Circle going forward. Nothing more.
Jasper didn’t even say that they were doing an extension. He said it was something they’d look into in the future. And that was after he was flustered over having to confirm during the preview stream that none of the features people were asking for in the chat were in the game. The fact it isn’t in the roadmap or mentioned at all in the preview article tells you all you need to know. As usual it was Rivet lying to their customers again. Like the 385 sounds that they were visiting ScotRail to record.
It is such a shame to see rivet I derdeliver so spectacularly with this route as I were genuinely looking forward to it as it is a great route and the 170 is part of my journey to work, if I take the train rather than drive, so I do rather like them. The sounds in it are mediocre but passable and the bridge lovely, but I think I have seen smashed glasses emptier than the timetable and some of the scenery! How did that get ticked off!
Regarding the first, in the other thread I expressed a problem with the behavior of you and your compatriots in that forum you linked to. Specifically, I said: None of the rest of your statement above has anything to do with anything I've said, though the veiled threat based on this invention is noted.
I've replied to your "scolding" attack. The rest is off topic. You may not be comfortable with that and have a different view, fair enough. You may totally dislike me, fair enough. But like you, I too have the right to raise concerns or shout out if I see something I think is not right. The admins will decide if it's ok to bypass a ban. Which is what you were insinuating I did too. Again, you don't have any facts but try to argue based on feelings. Looks like you yourself want to be the judge on what's good and bad. I do respect Jack and I'm friends with Cyclone. I don't want either of them to be attacked here just for being who they are or what they do, both are decent persons. I'm too, until being attacked.
You just can’t help yourself with the constant attacks against Rivet. It doesn’t have to be on the roadmap for it not to be true. Rivet have offended you so much in the past that you’re blind to the truth. The truth that Rivet will continue to support the FCL for months to come.
This isn’t DTG route though, it’s Rivets. They don’t have roadmaps. So why would Jasper confidently say that they were planning to extend the route?
I'm not sure if the Leven branch is even gonna come to FCL. It's in such a horrendous state that I'm not even sure if Rivet will continue to support it anymore. Rivet sure needs to take a long LONG hard look in the mirror. This route had so much potential wasted, and guess what it's so bad modders won't even touch it with a 10 Foot(3 Meters) barge pool
I suppose I’m holding out on Rivets promise, whether they keep it or not is another story. Getting the FCL in better shape than it is now should be Rivets main priority.
To be fair, I have seen long-unused sidings with trees and such growing in them. Granted, that happening in the middle of a line rather than on the edge seems unusual.
DTG put everything on the roadmap, for all TSW developers. TSW is DTG's property, Rivet are contracted to make DLCs for it. Until it is put on the roadmap, it is speculation.
These aren’t attacks. These are factual statements. They promised to fix WCL and the 385. They didn’t. That’s the truth. Nobody is fooled with what is going on here. You’re clearly a troll. It’s not convincing.
Right now I'd imagine they're sleeping. As for before end of play, clearly this slipped through the net. There's always tomorrow.
