Upcoming Release Lirr Commuter: New York - Long Beach, Hempstead & Hicksville

Are there discounts on Epic too for owning the original route? It’s PC as well on top of Steam. I (and others probably) have been really looking forward to getting an upgraded LIRR and it would be nice to have a loyalty discount on Epic as well and to not get penalized for using the other PC platform instead of Steam. Thanks in advance for answering if you do.

 

the m3 is now connected to the training center and not lirr 1.0 any more

 

Also, has adding East Williston been considered or maybe possible in the future, it’s the one electrified station on the Oyster Bay line so just another station to add to have more variety and it’s already in TSC which should maybe help I would think. Any insight on that would be appreciated.

 

is that the LIRR M3 or Harlems/both, only the LIRR matters here

and original LIRR will still have the M7 layers for Trenton regardless.

 

They choose to set the route in that time period. They didn't have to choose to set the route in 2021. Also the M3, M7 and M9s still run in service together. Not including Grand Central Madison and the third track is fair to point out. Maybe you should think before just blindly defending something.

 

Always great to see you and hear you man!!! Yep one reason was the constant yapping of the fanboys. Yeah once the 5th version of TSW comes out (which it probably will with these greedy devs sadly) I'll be done with this game and company and forums.

I will probably ONLY buy this new LIRR route because being American I love our routes even if DTG has a huge bias towards American stuff and makes American stuff trash compared to the Euro stuff.

Thanks for the updates though!!! Always appreciated I'm happy I took my break away from this. For now I'll be somewhat active only for this route. But after it comes out well I might disappear again.

 

So those this dlc overrights the existing LIRR dlc? Or will there be 2 separate LIRR DLC in the game?

 

what broken achievement

 

Really was hoping to have MTA track maintenance services or New York Atlantic freight services

 

It's great that The Long Island Railroad DLC is getting a TSW 4 upgrade treatment. When I read the article they were only going to add the branch to Long Beach I was disappionted that they didn't add the Port Washington Branch, Oyster Bay Branch to add some of the railroad's diesel powered commuter trains, extend the main line to Ronkonkoma and set the upgraded route in the present with Grand Central Madison.

 

Lirr twins in dtg library

 

I'm worried about the mood of people in this forum topic! Many people wanted a remaster of the route and now it happened.
We have received an extension of the route and a new train - what does not suit you?
With any route expansion there will always be people who start screaming “I’m not going to buy this a second time, it should be free”! With this approach, we can't count on improving old content. Also, answer my question - why should this update be free? Any work must be paid, and good work must be highly paid. You can find LOVE on the street for free.

Some of the statements here confuse me!!!!
First you demand improvement of the old route, and after its presentation you begin to humiliate the developer who responded to the requests of the community.

Whether your expectations from the route remaster were met is another question. But you must be objective and consistent in your statements.
On a personal note, I am excited about this announcement and am really looking forward to the release of this route. I expected something a little different, but I’m glad that the developer offered it. And I really hope that in the future the route will receive more expansions and improvements.

 

This is what NealTV8 says at my comment when i asked if the older version can be unistall whit this new one, so i dont unistall the older buyed in TSW3 whit M3

 

Hope they will add M8 in future

 

I wonder if they have cured the issue of the M3 obstacle deflector/pilot burying itself in the top of the rail?

 

Agree,
If it was purely a TOD4 upgrade then i would agree charging full price is excessive, but the amount of change discussed on the live feed suggest a significant investment in time and effort by the DTG team. That's not going to be free or sold on the cheap.

People also need to stop using WSR as the benchmark. It's been advised multiple times that it was a free time upgrade by Liam that was doen outside of core business hours.

Not a fan boy or defending DTG (Fife Circle i still oppose and not bought), but people need to be realistic with what a business is designed to do.

 

Exactly, so why should I have to pay to have it fixed? If an item is faulty through no fault of my own on the seller to fix it for no extra charge

 

Contradictions all over the place.

Firstly people paid for the original dlc. Most probably at full price, some in sales. I know I had to pay full price for it.

Folks have been waiting for it to be improved for ages, and it mostly should have been patched.

I don’t think anyone is opposed to paying dtg for some of the work but to release it as a new route is a slap in the face of the original owners, I’m not sure how people don’t see that?

Also some people can’t just afford to put money down over and over. It also makes the old route defunct and what dtg are relying on here is fomo.

It would have been nice to show some good Will here, and at least reduce it for those that already originally owned it but they can’t even do that, only for steam apparently and a minimal one at that.

I could afford it many times over but at some point you have to stop supporting this practice. Unfortunately like any other brand there’s those that blindly follow and that’s what dtg will rely on, they know you will buy it anyway.

Between this, fife circle and the Xbox downgrade I’ve read about this week dtg has taken two steps back after apparently picking up their game on the last few routes. It’s a damn shame.

 

Think the phrase “double dipping” comes to mind. This is definitely running the Electronic Arts playbook to some extent and reminds me of a similar situation with media software. Studio puts a movie out on Blu-ray then a couple of years later along comes the Special Edition, with a fancy box, a few extras and if you are lucky a couple of minutes of extra salvaged footage.

 

I was betting on RSN. A nice surprise. Funny slip of the tongue. 10% off... You mean 10% of the price for the owners?

 

This looks very pretty and the extra track / features are very welcome.
However as I already own this route, it's a bit tight to expect all who bought this route previously to shell out full price for what is essentially an existing route upgrade. Come on DTG, bring the cost down for existing route owners please.

 

I haven't bought a route since Blackpool branches don't think I will bother with this either I'm looking forward to see what Just Trains are planning as there next route

 

Exactly. And you know what im not saying DTG should not get paid for their efforts, its just the full price tag thats a slap in the face.

So the choice is a) pick up a (hopefully) newly improved route with some new upgrades for £30 quid or b) stick with the old, broken route you paid for which is probably no good for anyone.

 

Exactly! I have no issue paying a reasonable sum for the additional work and I apply the same caveat to the 101 update. However to come back to my old Blu-ray analogy, you could always sell the old copy on Ebay and get a few £ back (though the bottom dropped out of that a year or two back with more people streaming stuff than buying discs) which offset the cost of the new purchase. Or if you were really desperate, get £1 at CEX! But digital purchases don't offer that option.

 

I think this is the actual incident that has caused the MTA's concerns: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-subway-forest-hills-queens-mta/5005844/

 

or c) wait for a sale to reduce the price to one we each believe is fair to pay for it

 

Mind surely by fully simulating activation and use of the safety systems, that is more likely to "train" the malcontents in how to move and keep moving the train? If the sim didn't simulate them, then anyone who has run the train in TSW (or TSC) might know what the control handles do but not a clue how to overcome the signalling and control systems that must be set up for the train to move. Not only that, unless the cab has been left unattended with the control desk still active, they would need a driver's key to switch in the desk to start with?

 

I do agree with the discontent. Why didn't they just charge for the updated trains? 2 separate loco's is almost the same price setting as 1 route and the whole debacle would have been less painful to some.

 

On Xbox? You’ll be waiting years.

 

This is why we can't have nice things.

 

I'm not happy knowing I'll have to pay for this route again if I wanted it when I bought it on release date in November 2018. Should be a free update like the West Somerset Line was just recently

 

Agree. The idiots and malcontents in the world control what the rest of we law abiding citizens have access to. The freedoms of the socially responsible are lessened by the actions of the immature and Ill-natured.

 

Let me disagree with you! Nobody claims that work on bugs in the old DLS should be paid additionally.
I view this proposal as:
- 14.2 km of new line and 10 stations (somehow not enough);
- new M9 rolling stock and M7 improvements (very good);
- bringing the entire route to the new TSV4 standards (very good);
- new scenarios and schedule (good);
-improved textures and decorations along the entire old route (68 km) - (very good);
- for all this 40 dollars.

One of the last routes of the London Overground Suffragette line, 22 km long. with one train we purchased for 30 dollars.

It costs $10 to improve the entire route and the old rolling stock (if the statement is true). or not, it’s up to everyone to decide for themselves. Loyalty discount 4 dollars. and a pre-order discount of 4 dollars. practically eliminate the higher cost of the route from the usual one.

For myself, I decided that this price could be quite justified if everything promised takes place. I don't argue, it's expensive! I wanted this and I'm ready to pay for quality work on one of my favorite routes! Many of those present still cannot accept that TSV is generally an expensive hobby. In this case, it is reasonable to wait for sales and everyone will be happy.

 

Go propel paying small fortunes for just updates, Lirr 2.0 was lightest effort for DTG ever... Excluding their legal department ;D ;D

 

That was a completely new route from scratch. I doubt LIRR is. If it is rebuilt from the ground up then fair enough but the standard will have to be high to convince the masses, but I cant see a world where DTG don't reuse the assets already there.

 

I think it’s best if you wait for the preview stream on April 25th to see if it’s worth the price or not.

 

Quite a shame because this route has so much potential opportunity but it was just another copy and past with a few upgrades here and there. This is pretty much the same scenario as New York - Trenton..

 

This view might have some weight if this were a recent route. But LIRR is four years old. That's a millennium in gaming. You don't repair a 4 year old TV set these days. You replace it with something better.

I've been very critical of DTG, but I'm defending them in this instance. For $31-32 it's a fair deal for what we're getting.

 

Include the New Timetable, New Train, Overhauled Signals & New Branch line. Along with updated TSW 4 features to the route. I believe your mostly paying for the M9 & The Branch Line

 

AS WELL AS NO PORT WASHINGTON BRANCH.

 

They are 2 completely different dlc. One has a new train. The other doesn't. One has extra track, The other doesn't. One has extra features and scenery. The other doesn't. You get the idea. It's like any other remastered route like sehs where the old one exists in tsw2 and the brand new one in tsw3.

 

they couldn't even spare to do a 10 mile extension to Huntington or a 5-mile to Farmingdale

 

Hey I am happy. Months and months ago I was posting in the forum and saying that LIRR re-done to modern standards was one of my most wanted routes, and that knowing the amount of work it would require I would be happy to even pay for it again to be done right.

Sounds like DTG gave me exactly what I am looking for (assuming it is done right, I will still tread with caution and wait for what I hear about how well signally works/timetable/bugs... I bought Trenton day 1 and then didn't even play it until they finally released the proper timetable).

Also I do hope that for the extra money they are improving the scenery of the previously done parts of the route and not copy-pasting.

I would have liked loyalty discount on PS5 but I feel thats more of a PSN store issue than DTG.

 

10 miles or even 5 miles isn't short by any means when you consider they have to model that by hand. Autogen and lidar if applicable only does so much and the rest is by hand and when you're doing that over 10 miles, it's going to take a while

 

What I'm worried about is the mention of "updates" to the M7 and M3. Does that mean that on the legacy route, as well as on Harlem line, they'll receive the same downgrades? Specifically, removal of the door control panels, circuit breakers, etc.

Personally I'd rather not have a new route at all than have it ruin existing and already provided rolling stock.

 

Knowing how DTG works I would assume the old trains will stay the same and get 0 changes. Look at the Class 66 and Dosto where there are a dozen different versions of them and not all of them have the same features and bugs.

 

If the old version of M7 will stay the same, it's fine. I probably just won't go for the updated route. I appreciate the effort to update it, but those changes are borderline heartbreaking.

 

I think the biggest part if LIRR will be if the scenery in the older areas were reworked or not, if they still have the same issues as before in blatant copy and paste, then folks have a right to complain about the price.