Is The Update Safe To Download?

Saw a few posts that said the update had broken things. Should I hold off on Xbox and PC?

 

Well I was wondering the same thing for PC and asked the question in one of the other threads. Mine has probably updated anyway, while I was running TSC yesterday evening but I don't really want to jump back across and end up with the issues that have been described.

 

i am downloading the update now i will report back here to tell you my findings

 

addry#6825 hold off on update formation designer don’t work probably I’ve had a crash to Home Screen also half of the trains are not there

 

Like with each update, stuff got broken. Due to the size of these massive updates, it will take time until all the issues are found and reported. Again, the paying customers are the beta testers.

So far I've been checking, using simple checklists of testing each button, and issues immediately showed up.

Fife Circle: Train Light button function is gone in Freeroam
WCL: Udpated but no details on what has changed
Salzburg: Needs to be reverted because of missing tap changer on the 111, Dosto Saloon Lights switches not working now (no matter if set from loco, cab car or panel)

On PS5, the geometry on some routes seems completely broken and various stock has huge polygon glitches now

I couldn't care less for any fixes for the scoring system, so I'd say hold off from updating.

 

How has this happened? And why no communication from DTG Alex

 

Because that's how it always goes. Chaotic processes, beta testers only enjoying free DLC but not working systematically, and so on. You new here?

 

What was the update for WCL that wasn't mentioned unless I missed it

 

I have no clue, I doubt anyone at DTG has.

And the patch notes say the floating forest above Rosenheim was removed, which is untrue, a simple test increasing the grass cull distance (JetWash mod) shows it's fake news.

The way TSW development works is a lot of people are messing with it, each of them only knowing a small piece of the whole, and the persons in charge of putting it all together are overwhelmed it seems and don't have oversight and full technical knowledge of the whole game.

And btw, SimuGraph - as powerful as it is - almost requires you to be an engineer to make a loco. As opposed to TSC, which is a top-down process (make a loco model and feed it with some HP, speed and brake weight data then give it some traction curve sheets, then adjust the values to make it behave like the real thing - which can actually work pretty well), SG is a bottom-up tool. You are building all the subsystems and then have to literally wire them together as in real life. Troubleshooting there is almost as complex as on a real loco.

It almost seems if something does work, there's a good portion of pure luck involved. And once it does work, you better not touch it again. But, TS2Prototype core is still in development, things get changed and DLC subsequently broken.

 

Is GWE still borked regarding shadows etc?

 

Xbox is always broken on Series X, Textures are blurred inside and out and flicker all the time

 

Yes, wrong lightmaps are being projected on LOD 0 onto the platforms. Afaik it hasn't even been confirmed by DTG yet. (I really don't think they're actually playing their own game, only on Streams).

A bug like this should have been self-disclosed by DTG as it is too obvious. Instead, they want us to contact tech support and waste our precious time, just to get a meaningless "ticket has been closed" message later. (And as opposed to common practice, no option to give feedback on support).

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I often think TSW had so much potential, but DTG are not capable of handling this complex beast (which was immediately apparent in the CSX:HH beta, and imho UE4 was the wrong engine choice for many reasons - but a good choice to make it next to impossible for 3rd parties to release their own stuff. Most of the PC Editor projects are dead now, apart from timetables. The Magdeburg project only really shows a few assets, some rails with grass and trees. The Unity engine can handle uncooked and unpacked content too, great for modders and content creators, I can edit the SimRail timetables only using a text editor and immediately play them).

And they're not even making full use of UE4, some UE3 games look a lot better than TSW.

It could've been a solid experience like SimRail, if done by the right people. I'm eagerly awaiting Searchlight Simulations' 140 mile Milwaukee route for SR.
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Don't blame the Beta testers.

I can guarantee you that the beta testers report EVERY bug that they find, and they find them all.

The problem is entirely with the DTG devs, because they get EVERY bug report, but often choose not to fix issues because of "time restraints", "bug is too minor", or "fixing it will break bigger things".

 

That's probably a very valid point. I didn't mean to be rude, but TSW is at times the most frustrating game I've ever played. I can get too emotional over it. (No matter how often I'm telling myself like a mantra "It's only a game... it's only a game" )

Didn't want to put the blame on anyone specifically. It's borked as a whole. LOVE rolls downhill. Nudge nudge, know what I mean.

 

New problem did a 4 car class 700 no power to the whole train tired everything this is the level of quality we are getting and it’s frustrating

 

Are you sure this is a bug? Are you aware of how to form an (unrealistic) 4 car 700 correctly? What carriages are vital for the consist to work?

If we mix wrong assumptions with real bug reports, it's all useless in the end.

 

Forget it being realistic it should still work regardless otherwise what’s the point of a formation designer ? There are routes i want to put this train on that have shorter platforms see my problem hints why I made a 4car not even a 5 car works for Christ sake

 

That's the price of realism. If you forget to put in a carriage that houses the compressor for example, it can't work.

 

Yeah I see that just a pain in the arse for those people whole throw realism out the window sometimes

 

Maybe this will help you

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/class-700-issues.79210/

 

Yeah not confusing at all

 

Hi Alex I found the crashing was only a one off thing but now it consistently freezes sometimes not Sure why but I have to reboot the game every time it happens this has happened more then 1 time


Using Xbox one a

 

I couldn't see Formation designer on xbox when I went on is it meant to be on the main menu

 

I have yeh 3 routes were updated Blackpool branches WCL and Glossop to Manchester and Train Sim World

 

I'm on series S and while it hasn't crashed I can't do anything with it once I've selected the first unit of the formation. Searching gives me blank lists, seems that half of the stock in game isn't available in formation designer and the double box button (when you click on the unit in the formation is greyed out so unusable.
It's major issues like this that make something we all want a pointless waste of memory use because with these issues we won't bother using it

 

Also the supposed scoring fix hasn't worked! Still only getting 35 points driving a 47 on Blackpool with safety systems active!

 

Just spawned a single ÖBB 4024 (Vorarlberg) consist in Frastanz Freeroam. Set my path, but the train doesn't respond to throttle. Never had issues before with that one.

 

111 on Salzburg. Still getting traction locked when setting the tapchanger to off and the train brake guage is still reading 29 so nothing has been fixed there

 

29?

3.5 - Full Service, 5.0 - released. Can't make any sense of "29".

 

He means not the pressure on the cylinder.
On the hud 29% brake.

You have to go to the rear cab of the loco and release the Brake. Than you have 0%.

 

So is that a bug they need to fix or is it prototypical?

 

Does the core updates reset the shadow caching in routes? I’ve been playing on Xbox for weeks and shadows although still loading in seemed less heavy than usual which was quite a pleasant surprise.

Todays update seems to have brought the heavy pop in of shadows back though.

 

PC seems stable running BPO, biggest issue is that there appears to be a massive Windows Update inbound at present. I couldn't get TSC to start a run at all, hence back over to TSW. The HD light is constantly on and task Manager confirms Windows Installer is grabbing a load of processing resources and the C Drive.

 

Really? Hasn't Tuesday always been MS patch day?

 

Just had that graphic bug on SEHS on series x. I’ll upload it for DTG to see. When I was passing a train it cause a weird stretching graphic.

 

Yep so DTG Alex heres a few screenshots and video. The screenshot shows the timetable route I took for testing purposes.

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/9cV2nhMbfM

 

Yep SEHS is unplayable.

 

Seems to hit me at different times. Possibly because the main PC is only on for an hour at a time it got backed up. Hopefully it will complete later as I really want to get back on my 86’s and 87’s in TSC!

 

Mark, l haven’t seen what’s been updated on WCL either, had a look at the route this morning and didn’t notice anything l want changing. I think this route is dead in the water regarding changes etc!!!

 

I agree it's frustrating it could be a great route if it was done properly

 

What bugs me is that the freeware versions in TSC are so much better and more life like than WCL.

 

Yep the 365 in Blue livery is producing weird geometric bugs, have tested it on SEHS on both Series X and PC today. Doesnt affect any other train including the 375 with white livery. But if a train consists of the mix of white and blue liveries then it happens. So i can only presume its the blue livery itself. Also happens on London commuter.

 

Happened to the Javelin for me yesterday, but not all that I passsed

 

You should maybe consider an open letter to Microsoft and Sony. DTG should not be allowed to push these kinds of untested Beta updates to consoles, and I think MS and Sony can put pressure on DTG, ultimately not allowing them to distribute their games on these platforms, which could force DTG to test these updates before release. And force is needed here obviously.

There's lots of workarounds available on PC like rolling back updates yourself - but on consoles the game is ruined for many.

 

I noticed they'd fixed the map in the 150 so it now shows St. Ives instead of 2 St. Erths

 

Some coaches dont have shoes or pantographs….

 

Do they at least have slippers and shirts

 

Umm dont do that again…