Why Ruhr-sieg Nord Is Still Such A Special Route - And Why Tsw Needs More Routes Like This

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Boston, NY-Trenton and the forthcoming LIRR all have PTC

 

As far as I'm aware those were considered similar but different systems in other threads that have talked about it. Just as one example found this post from Matt going over PTC, where he explicitly mentions it's entirely different from ACSES.

Edit: I stand corrected, clearly most talking were more specifically iETMS when talking "PTC" in the threads I had seen.

 

Right. PTC is not any one system but a regulatory standard, published in CFR* Title 49 Part 236 Subpart I. The specific requireents are as follows:

How each railroad chooses to meet the requirements wrt equipment and systems is entirely up to them, so there are several systems in use.
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*Code of Federal Regulations

 

Just had a run of Ruhr-Sieg Nord for the first time in quite a while and it is a route that really has stood the test of time very well. Such a nice experience.

 

Much agreed, MSB is without doubt a great route but is a lot harder to enjoy because of the scenery - a reason why I think it should get an update.

I'm glad to hear! Before creating this thread it was about two years since I've last played RSN, was going to play a few services then move on to one of my other TSW routes, but after almost three weeks I'm still literally just playing mostly RSN - amazing; the timetable, the detail and scenery, the atmosphere etc all combine to make this among, if not, the best all-time TSW route in my opinion.

 

Indeed, and many sport some stunning liveries/trains too:

All photos taken by me

Don't forget SBB too which operate services to Germany - would love to see DTG do some standard-gauge Swiss routes for TSW:

 

Something fun for those interested:
I spent the last two days beautifully recreating this Elverlingsen coal train via free roam:

I used a Vectron with 27 Eanos to reproduce the train. The Vectron is the closest thing we have to the 189 and Eanos have the good physics while the RSN Falns are massively outdated. The weight matched the video pretty much exactly.

Granted, you have to get creative at the power plant itself since TSW’s version lacks the overhead catenary on the sidings. I used a combination of momentum and a 363. It was also nice to enter/leave RSN via a track you don’t usually use (8:26 is roughly when our RSN is entered in the video).

I can highly recommend this. Free roam (in the normal timetable) makes it very easy to set up. Changing ends in Werdohl was a bit of a highlight with the way my moves had to fit in between the mainline usage.

 

Pretend it's a dual-mode Vectron....

 

So finally I decided to give my opinion and feelings about this route as someone who isn't here since the route has been initially released. I also want to reply to a few concerns raised in this thread.

Let's start.

(First) impressions

I don't exactly know the locations and the area in real life, although I grew up not far away to the south of it (the Westerwald region, which is south/southwest of Siegen). So at least I know a similar landscape with the train running like in a valley through mountains of forrests. However, the impression from videos is all I got to really "understand" the particular scenery and route, at least as depicted in TSW.

The gritty industrial setting as OP described is really best said and is dominating in all footage, videos and pictures I saw as a reference, and something which really turned me off from purchasing it (even on sale).

I mean just look at the atmosphere in these preview videos meant to get me sold. It's absolutely horrific to me personally, as the route looks dark and empty - not even seeing much of it here. You definitely don't sell a route in this way to me.




But DTG also shined some light (and I mean literally) on the route in some other videos. Especially the official trailer is very cinematic and catchy.




However, the overall atmosphere of the route (as displayed in these videos) still is very dark and gritty. The landscape does not seem to offer much variety other than a pretty empty line running in the always dominating dark and gritty valley and forrest scenery except for the few points which seem to be bigger cities, but even there not much traffic. I don't exactly know the route in real life, but just from the illustration in the DLC, it didn't and doesn't catch me enough to buy.


Timetable

From all what has been said here, the biggest plus seem to be the freight opportunities, with many different services and scenerios including drop off and pick up ones along the route. However, looking at the timetable, seeing the variety of rolling stock and having an eye on passenger services, there is not much to offer here.

We have 3 native locos with the BR 185, the BR 143 and the Dosto 766.2 cab car that comes with it. The BR 363 as an additional one if you purchased the separate DLC.

The DB BR 185, limited to freight, has 33 services.

The DB BR 143, capable of both freight and passenger has 67 services, The 766.2 has 42 passenger services.

The BR 363 adds 13 services, as well as some additional freight services using the DB BR 185. I think especially Matt's work with the timetable here, vastly improved the value of this route.

So timetable-wise is rather bad, of course it's biggest plus are the often cited freight opportunities but by far not really a good variety of services nor rolling stock here.


Upgrade planes & enhancement

Now coming to the topic how one could enhance the route.

Scenery
Well, I don't know how this really could be done as honestly the scenery of the route (even in real life) does not impress me much and rather seems to be monotonous. I wonder about the selection of the route as it's also not a very known and popular route here in Germany as rather an offshoot line of the Ruhrgebiet area.

Maybe the variety of trees (as there are a lot of trees in this DLCs) and the cities could be enhanced to feel more real and full of life. The mountain scenery also could be improved and be more detailed.

Extensions
There are different possibilites. Iserlohn extension would be possible but just adds a few kilometers. The extension from Finnentrop to Siegen like in TSC is possible. Another one is the route from Finnentrop to Olpe. But also Hagen has the opportunity with maybe a commuter route towards the inner Ruhrgebiet.

But I'm not really sure how most of these extensions would really enhance the route and give it a bit more variety.

However, I found these pictures of a branchline (the Biggertalroute between Finnentrop and Olpe) and they woke up my interest somewhere at the Biggertalsperre:



Timetable/Services

Now to add to the private operator conversation before, I found out that the Hessische Landesbahn is operating the RB 91 on the route [ (Iserlohn-Letmathe –) Finnentrop – Kreuztal – Siegen ], the RB92 from Finnentrop – Attendorn – Olpe, the RB 93 from Betzdorf – Siegen Hbf – Erndtebrück – Bad Berleburg, the RB 95 from Dillenburg – Haiger – Siegen Hbf and the RB 90 (service of my route) from Limburg to Siegen.

I already wrote to the HLB whether they would cooperate with me and Dovetail Games and they said yes, but are waiting for DTG's response for more than 6 weeks.

DTG Matt a license deal with the Hessische Landesbahn which I initiated could bring you many services for a remaster/extension of Ruhr Sieg Nord here as well. I already placed the first stone for the contact. But now It's up to you to cooperate with them.

 

It's interesting to see someone not praise the route. it does look very industrial and dark. I suppose the TSW2 graphics and lighting doesn't help it be much brighter and shinier. The timetable isn't very busy, not sure how prototypical that is to real life. but the freight interaction matt made is one of the best. and as far as german routes go the best I would say. I'm not sure if an extension is viable, but I'd say with just a timetable rework or a TOD4 upgrade this route could have a lot of potential. I think it was one of the first electrified routes in germany and thus a really old one at that. I suspect any extension or second timetable is a lot of work so I don't expect any. but the potential for an older timetable set 20 years back, or one with more modern trains like the now EMU's running the RB would be a decent idea.

I do hope to see some more operators than DB on the rails. HLB, RRX, Bwegt , Transdev and Meridian are a few that could definetely color the stock to something else than DB red. although seeing some ÖBB, SBB, CD or even Flixtrain/Alex would be some cool additions too.

 

Well, and about every second hour, DB Fernverkehr is on this route with IC2-formations (Stuttgart-Frankfurt-Siegen-)Finnentrop-Iserlohn=Letmathe(-Dortmund-Münster-Norddeich=Mole) (IC-Line 34) since Dezember 2021...

 

is the IC2 stock much different interior than what we have? I wouldn't mind a dosto reskin and 187 made into 147 IC skin to get those services ingame. I bet a lot of routes actually have them driving there.

 

Yes. They also have the high doors (above the bogies instead of between them) and the cab car has a different front.

Oh, they're absolutely ubiquitous. The IC2 is a big problem for TSW honestly. You need to have it in the game for many, many routes, but it's both too different from the Dostos we have to be acceptable to just reskin and too similar to the existing Dostos to be a DLC people are going to want to buy.

 

DTG..
Done as for the LIRR, a remaster with a few more km and I'll take it D-Day!!
I love this route so much, there are so many things to do.
It's still my favorite route even if the Semmerigbahn comes in 2nd now.
You know DTG, you created at that time the best route you've ever done and I think it's still a "must have" for many of us.

 

ah. good to know it's not just a reskin. I would like to see it to change up the dosto spam. the recent german routes have come with loco's or small DMU's and some reused dosto's. the nachverkehr part has been very well catered to and there seems to be a decent amount of freight locomotives too and all the general wagons are there too. for express trains you have an ICE3 or ICE1 very rarely and sometimes the 101. I'm not counting the one time historical route because the 103 only has one normal timetable route. glad to see it on railtours now occasionally. would love a RailAdventure addon pack though like the british rail operation group. But I would like to see some more IC and EC stock. I really miss the mixed NJ + ÖBB and SBB or DB IC coaches I see daily.

 

The IC2 Dostos are different models from the 760 series we have, the newer Vario TWINDEXX. And, as mkraehe#6051 says, all high-door. (Also, the BR 147 is quite different at a glance from the 146.2; for starters, it has ribbed sides like the BR 187).

Having said that, it might be acceptable to do an AI-ONLY quickie reskin just to serve as moving scenery on the route (there is one train-pair per hour).

Editor's note: the IC2 makes exactly the same stops as the RE. What, again, is the justification for the higher fare?

 

The 147 is to the 187 what the 146 is to a 185. There are 146-hauled IC2 sets too though.

 

Which, again, would make a quickie reskin of existing stock plausible, if ONLY used as AI "moving scenery" and perhaps static units at Hagen.

Of course, next time DTG do a German route, they might consider instead of overhauling the 760-series Dostos yet again, just making TWINDEXX (750 series) in red, which could then be fairly easily adapted to the IC2 model (680-series, little more than an upholstery and interior trim change along with the repaint)

 

Didn't Matt said to NOT DO THAT???? Ffs
Now go explain to HLB why they don't have any answer from DTG when DTG didn't even ask anything.

Edit :

 

Please have a read:

This is precisely what you should not do.

 

I believe you can use them with regional train tickets on that (part of the) route.

In exchange, the transit authority pays DB Fernverkehr for part of the running cost of the InterCity. This is a trick that several regions of Germany that would otherwise be underserved by long distance trains use to get InterCities.

It's a weird symptom of the strong division between regional and long distance trains in Germany. TOCs run regional trains on behalf of, and paid for by, the regions/transit authorities, while long distance trains are supposed to make money, and TOCs decide where to run them mostly based on financial concerns. So if you want an IC, but there aren't enough passengers in your region to make it worth the while for DB, you end up with these InterCity-but-also-RegionalExpress-at-the-same-time trains. The Chemnitz InterCities (all two of them) work the same way.

 

Well, in fact Matt replied that to one of my posts in the thread you quoted these posts from, about 3 weeks after I have contacted them. So the information about that at this moment in time was pretty useless.

Also there are 2 things to my defense.

1. If this was wrong, it was not entirely my fault. If DTG had stated it in the PC Editor FAQ and entirely advertised us to not do that, I wouldn't have done it for sure. But this information can not be found anywhere it is meant to be, just like so many other documentations for the Editor.

2. Other creators in the PC Editor Forum also already did it (I could mention and quote them but I don't want to unnecessarily focus and get them in doubt), and got good responses from the operators. So after 5 months of my project I finally decided to the same and get in contact with them and hear their opinion, whether they would support the project or not.

And keep in mind that Matt said that so there is no damage done in the conversations.

However and to your all surprise, the response was quite good from the Hessische Landesbahn (I don't say what it was exactly) but I'll let you know that they were interested to cooperate.

But unfortunately DTG is the one of us three parties in here, which seems to have no interest and does nothing. Me and the operator are willing to cooperate with each other and bring content to TSW, but the operator said they would work with me only if I have official papers from DTG and DTG are interested in the cooperation. And this is exactly where things stop.

 

You forgot the Coal services that comes with the Br155 I think, very engaging content.

 

True and the 155 was to me the best done German loco back then before the 101 came along and blew her out of the water.

 

matt mentioned something like that for american freight on LIRR or other routes. I think to fill up the railscene and not have like old routes now a very very empty München (usually 2 ICE's in a completely empty 36 track station) I am really glad how Rosenheim and Wiener Neustadt looks. even the static stock in the freight yard there. but salzburg is still missing a lot and since it was released I doubt it will ever be looked at again like Voralberg is with the 1116. I hope it is but it would be unlikely according to earlier actions. I think the amount of new routes and lack of loco addon packs is really the limiting factor here. a lot seems to be put into the routes now because they make the most money but are essentially all sold on "it looks pretty and interesting" instead of also being able to use either a new loco or two to sell it even better. especially if the rolling stock is used on other routes,

 

Actyally, I have a strong suspicion that a Railjet DLC is coming for Salzburg.

 

me too. if that is what took the time from more than one coach on the 1116 and also makes the semmeringbahn look less spammed of 1116 with IC it's totally worth it. the railjet is not something you just replace with a normal loco and a couple Bmz coaches. but it won't suprise me that making one is gonna take a lot of time. so it might be delayed to a loco addon pack since there are no further routes announced in the coming 6 months.

For missing on Salzburg I also meant the KISS on westbahn services to and from freilassing. a shortened and reskinned FLIRT for the S4 and the S2 services in salzburg I also haven't seen apart from one or two going to freilassing in the rush hour. those are sometimes cityjet coaches with either a 1116, 1144 or 2016 for the REX trains but 95% of S2 runs a 4024 or 4023 that we do have. a 5047 is also missing plus a shunter for all the coaches. the night trains I'll leave be since those are so rare I doubt DTG will ever make somethig for them. Now of course, austria is new and no way they would've implemented all those. I'd love to see some preparation like for semmering the desiro mainline on the CJX is missing and most 1116 with Bmz drive with something different like the RJ and EN trains. I hope that is preparation to later add the correct train onto a then existing service.

 

i love it when a route, an specifically a timetable, clearly has a lot care and attention put into it. I think something most of us can agree on is that the timetable is such a key part of what makes a route enjoyable and replayable in the long term.

I know there's often a lot of negativity on these forums (some of it warranted, a lot of it not) and i think it's important to give credit where it's due.. so thanks to Matt and everyone for going to the efforts to create such immersive timetables, it really is appreciated and long may it continue

 

I really appreciate the work Matt did here with the BR 363 timetable. Especially this is what brought much value to the DLC. Also freight operations seem to be very top notch and as discussed before an outstanding example which should be implemented on more routes.

However, the BR 363 is a DLC needed to be purchased separately. It's not part of the native timetable coming with the route.

And the overall timetable of RSN in its current state is definitely not at the same level of other routes like DRA or BRO. As some of us stated above there is more potential here when looking to its real counterpart.

An improved timetable and adding new layers/services could make it better, and maybe all this paired with a route extension and TOD4 lighting.

But it's up to DTG what to do and what not.

 

I totally respect your feedback for the route, however there are some things I disagree with which I think are worth mentioning:

In my opinion, I think judging this route from preview videos five years ago is slightly unfair considering since that time RSN (like all other older routes) had the newer skybox. Plus, not forgetting that also at the time of such previews, there was no BR 363 yet as a DLC, thus it feeling slightly more emptier (especially the yards etc) and the lack of a wider loco substitution etc.

While the initial base locos are limited of course, surely you have to consider that loco substitution for players who own more German content has to be factored as more and more German routes have come to TSW. For example, thanks to Hamburg-Lubeck, the BR 112 subs in for every 143 passenger service, while for freight you have the likes of the 155, 182/182 Dispolok, 187 etc all complementing the 185.

It's important to remember that RSN is a considerably older route having been around since 2018, so direct comparison with DRA or BRO is totally unfair. If anything, RSN should be compared with either Rapid Transit or MSB - and when you do, RSN wins by a very, very large margin as for all the points raised by me and others in this thread.

Overall, while RSN has its flaws - distant scenery, complete lack of AI traffic at Hagen etc - this route, in my opinion, is still better than several newer routes all these years later.

 

I drove this route yesterday because I felt like it. both the yourney parts of the loco haul from Finnentropp to Hagen. on the way I remembered immediately the amazing atmosphere of the forest, and compared to the recent semmeringbahn it actually holds up decently still. much better than how TSW2 bland RRO looks for example. Having driven both, Some pics for comparison:

In my opinion although the better textures and lighting system. Semmering looks a bit too oversaturated. I'm not using the lighting fixes mod, because I like to have no mods for working in the editor. On the RSN trip I came across about 4 or 5 passenger services including the loco+cab iserlohn service sporting a multitude of layering reskins from CC. a steel train and one of the big coal trains hauled by a DB 155. I recall the 182 used to layer in often but since it was a 9pm trip there wasn't much left at boele or hagen to spot. both 363's at letmathe steel mill and boele yard were the standard DB red. I have to say with the age of the route it still looks and feels great to drive and not a "wow I'm used to TOD4 this looks so bad" although it could do with a TOD4 in my opinion. the timetable, thanks again to matt. feels busy and alive. I think I had full Riesa - Dresden services that felt less busy. this is still today an impeccable route. and if there is a decision to do anything with it one day. I'm here for it

 

Yes, but those previews are the only ones available and still represent the routes up to date. And that also was the reason why I decided to not buy it, because the impression of the route as exposed in these videos simply didn't convince me enough to pull the trigger.

And yes, of course, there are ambassador videos out there which doing some shenanigans or drive a service on the route, but not only that they didn't convinced me as well, I think nothing better than a presentation by the ones who created this route. And the presentation up to date, is quite bad.

I mean in all of the years it enhanced, DTG also could have made a renewed presentation, shining a bit more light on the more positive things, but except the video for the BR 363 DLC, they didn't.

So here comes another problem for new potential buyers. Where the hell do I get this information from?

I looked up on the official Steam page of the TSW4 version of RSN, and nothing written there of any potential substitutions (if you own X DLC you get Y substitution).

On the respective Train Sim Wiki page, it only states of the BR 363 and BR 155 layer.

I mean even as someone who knows where to look for information now, these "hidden" layers are not visible to me and don't influence my decision to whether purchase it or not.

I think the comparison to any new route is fair because of a simple reason. It has the same price tag.

If DTG would really treat old DLC fair in the same way as you describe they would discount it in a way which is reasonable in comparison to newer routes. But they don't and so I do compare them as equal.

And for me as a relatively new costumer of TSW, I don't care about if a route is 1 or 100 years old. If I'm on Steam and see that all of these DLCs have the same price tag, I compare all options I have and I can spent my money on. And if I can purchase a full flexible optimized DRA or BRO instead of RSN, I do. Because for the same amount of money, I get more content and variety.

But vice and versa it also doesn't mean that a newer DLC is attracting me more than an older one. Semmeringbahn is rolling stock wise a big disappointment, so in comparison to Semmeringbahn, I high probably would prefer Ruhr Sieg Nord much because it has more variety than that.

However, the main problem to compare routes at the end of the day for me (and I guess a lot of other people as well) is the price tag. And if DTG's asking 29,99€ for a very old route with lots of things needed to upgraded to modern standards like Rapid Transit and then presents a much more polished route of today containing various types of enhancements for the same price tag in comparison, I would also decide for the route with the better possibilites for the money I have to spent on it.

However, and this is one thing you also should consider, if the route is as good as you all describe already, how do you think it should be enhanced by DTG other than the lighting and other smaller scenery changes?

And that's something you really should consider in this thread more honestly. Instead of saying this route is already perfect as it is, why and moreover how should a creator in your opinion enhance the route?

Many suggestions I've seen so far are not very convincing to really make the route become a more versatile and diversive one and maybe to attract people which aren't so much in its recent benefits. What would you change in the route to bring it to DRA or BRO level?

I personally made a suggestion to take a small DMU like the Lint 41 on the route, and maybe add a small branchline or a commuter towards the inner Ruhr area to add some contrast. But as you who are played the routes for years, how would you see the route really improved to be an upper class DLC?

Sell the upgrade to me! Sell it!

 

So I played the route now for the very first time as I got it with the latest Humble Bundle. It's way better than how the preview videos showcased it. The dark and foggy set is probably the best with it as it not only hides the faults of the scenery but also matches perfectly to the gritty mountain pass feeling. I like the many curves which you can with high speed through and then so many quite different locations to visit. That's a major plus to Linke Rheinstrecke I think, although I personally still prefer DRA for having a bit more variety. But this is a very special route with a very special feeling to it, and I absolutely like that. I also think for 61 kikometers is has it feels actually a bit longer maybe because of the curves.

However it still lacks of a bit of life in it. Car traffic is good (you can experience it all over the route), spawning of passengers on stations seems to be okay.

As I suggested before, A new DMU maybe with new commuter services just like the 442 on DRA could do it justice. I personally would like a short branch line to it.

Biggest con of the actual route is (and although the nearby scenery is quite good) the 1D trees reaching partwise close next to the route and at some locations really do stick out more than at others. At clear day, you can see it at its best. I don't know why Lukas used the 1D "distant" trees here for the complete route setting. Was performance so bad? In my opinion, this shouldn't have been in the release and a proper quality control would have get that it's not possible to have 1 dimensional distant trees so close to the tracks and partwise is left in the wrong angle so that you clearly can see their 1D shape. This is the absolute worst of the whole route and I completely would redo that with trees of the nearby scenery if performance allows it.





Also there is absolutely no grass on many meadows close to the tracks. This I would change as well.



And last but not least hills in the not so far distance (I would say within 2 kilometers vision range if not below) have no trees at all. Here the 1D distant trees should have been placed. This needs to be redone as well.

 

The problems you see here as well:



The also seems to be grass only to maybe 50 meters from the tracks. Thereafter no grass is spawning.

 

I also made some nice shots by the way:

 

And here an encore. I really like this nice little lakes and bridges after Finnentrop.

 

Interesting to hear your review, thanks for sharing. While RSN does have some flaws, I still argue it being a route that's from 2018 has lot of things that are much better than many newer routes, namely a splendid timetable and atmosphere etc. The only things - in my opinion - that RSN needs apart from an obvious TOD 4 update, is improvement to some scenery as you mentioned, AI traffic at Hagen, more loco DLC for new gameplay and inclusion of the branch line.

 

I think this kinda highlights the focus change over the years of development of TSW. Early routes were really focused on getting the driving part right, with correct signage, loco behavior, plenty of doodads placed just next to the tracks (various rails, cables and other things you would find around real railway as well). Distant scenery was there, but the idea was that you are looking from cab at the tracks in front of you, and not spending that much time with other activities.

Modern TSW routes look spectacular on screenshots, with detailed scenery as far as eye can see, supported by new screenshotting features. But track signs are missing left and right, signals are not showing proper aspects, barriers are open, indicators in locos are showing nonsense or not working at all, and tracks are just autogenerated, empty and dead.

I have to say, I preferred the former.

 

However, the poor tree scenery is not something that would be relevant only to photo mode or the outside camera. You can see the wrong placed distant trees already from the cab.

So as we talked about that in a different thread already (I think it was Rosenheim-Salzburg), I thought about whether they used fixed static meshes for level crossings on older routes. But now opening the route up in the Editor, this doesn't seem to be the case. Level crossings can also be opened here. So I don't know why on newer routes they behave differently. But didn't dive into the topic deeper yet.

Well, to be honest, the BR 185 often had a bug with the speed display on the screen in the cab when driving. It made some jumps from example 60 km/h to 130 km/h and dropped back to the real speed a few seconds later. So It happened here as well.

Not quite sure what you mean but tracks are nowadays laid manually in the same way as on older routes. There is no tool which allows autogenerated or procedual tracks. It all needs to have been placed first.

 

I suspect that may be wheelslip

 

Could be, yes. If so, it would rather be a pretty good simulation of real life physics. However, I think this happened when I didn't apply (much) power.

 

I know what you mean, first traxxes showed "###" on tacho and needle on maximum value after returning to cab view, until the screen was refreshed with a new, different speed. That's a programming mistake caused by improper optimization attempt though, not a wrong simulation per se, as with always restricted PZB on 103 for example.

 

I decided to do some collectible hunting because the blank signs at crossings and tunnels bothered me. made it from finnentropp to the power plant at 60 ish to have time to brake. it was interesting to see the route this way and letting the dispatcher get confused a bit. finally found a use for free roam. and still with such an old route the graphics definetely hold up and I even found some interesting spots like the first tunnel with a sign out of finnentropp. who knew you could walk up it and have some great vantage points to look over the tracks. or the insane distance you can get through the industries at werdohl. I had to use the 8 cam as it would've taken half an hour to walk it all. if this route ever gets a TOD4, extension and or timetable update I will be so happy. but there is enough in the catalog that needs it more. RSN. the hidden gem that even in it's old and dark forest does not lose it's beauty

 

The potential for free roam freighting is enormous there. I was actually at some point trying to write up a list of all industries along the line and make some economy overview to give hints on which factory demands and supplies which products, but I never got around to finish it.

 

That would be amazing. I keep wanting to get around to something like that too, but...time honestly. Real life keeps getting in the way. This one goes up there with MSB for me on scenery and availability for freight.

 

I'm on a short vacation of a week and still busy with my Salzburg - Rosenheim timetable fix. but if that's done and nobody else started on RSN I'm willing to give it a try. if possible with your freight list then, even if it's unfinished. on Salzburg - Rosenheim I'm also running into issues figuring out how to do freight as I don't live close enough to go trainspotting for a week to get some ideas.

 

This is all I have, when I created it I tried to crosscheck the industries with their websites and so on, but as I don't live in the area, I found it too difficult to finish. Lot of the companies there span across many industry types and I have no idea what each particular building serves for.

 

fair enough. thanks nonetheless. that already looks like some decent research. I might get that format into my current project too

 

i think it would be great to have Iserlohn as a short run into Hagen as it should be just inside the ma from a Portal into Letmathe. And of course the really interesting brun would be over Kreuztal int Siegen as portals beyond Siegen could have s much AI traffic run thru Siegen !