Road Map Train Sim World Roadmap - April 2024

Because they forgot to delete the LIRR 2.0 listing from last time.

 

Those aren't the latest versions. Once you upload, you have to delete to upload any changes that were made. The 3rd unnamed route is a typo and shouldn't be there.

 

or they aren't ready to share route details yet or haven't said anything

 

and again BR420 does not leave the release date to be confirmed section (more precisely since tsw2)
please DTG Alex make this happen

 

Unfortunately, dtg need to do their part of updating and optimizing hma which can't support any more trains. Tsg were also extremely busy doing other projects or helping dtg with their projects which brings them their main source of income. Until dtg do their part, tsg can't do anything.

 

Actually, I had forgotten that dtg first needs to update the Hauptstrecke München – Augsburg route to make it compatible with the BR420

 

Oh just watched the the stream did they just gloss over LIRR and bt101 you have to pay again and no loyalty discount

 

the expert 101 is being sold by TSG, it will be updated to expert use, aswell as getting the cab car which development wise is a new train, so it’s fair to be thought of as buying the cab car with a big upgrade to the 101.

essentially DTG never solved they’re missing cab car issue and that’s that.

 

Expert modules - yes
Interesting remasters - yes
Pricing - controversial, but
Overall - yes!

Some USA pro diesel power next please

 

I don't really care about the price, as long as it costs maximumly 20€, because it comes with some nice unique features no TSW train has, like for example the failures sound very promising and the cap car of course is a nice addition to have. I'm just afraid, that in the end this dlc will be disappointing

 

Given Vectron is €15.99. I'm not expecting it to be under €20. Especially with all the "expert grade" features that will be implemented to 101. Expert is not just new screens, but probably more work regarding physics to have it behave as it does irl.

 

Really not happy knowing that if I want the updated Long Island route I have to pay for it again. I've had the original route since it came out in November 2018 !!
Surely it should be a free update to those who already own the original route like the West Somerset line just did ??

 

WSR wasn't an official DTG project.

 

Wsr didn't include new trains or track. Dtg wouldn't just give away the m9 for free which is one of the reasons it's paid

 

Am I dreaming or in heaven? Literally my favorite German loco, if not my favorite loco in existence.

 

Just a small question on the BR101 Expert. What is the difference between the MFD and the MFA cab? Looked up pictures on the Internet and coudn't find a difference. I guess the MFD has a digital middle display but i don't know.

 

Yes, exactly. Quoting the same forum:

 

Bound to be another cracker of a route. Blackpool branches set a new bar for quality. Stunningly executed.

 

Oh sorry, must have missed that!

 

and what about this luzern-sursee SBB licensor changes? what does that mean? will there be changes to the luzern-sursee route and/or train?

 

It's on the Road map brief.

Changes are, pantograph control is now linked to the master key activation. The door close buttons now flash red and yellow while in operation. I can't remember the last one.

It's all safety related stuff anyway.

 

I've had my car since 2018. Surely Infiniti owes me a free paint job by now....

 

It's to the train and what the person a few comments above said. It's not as drastic as lirr so it shouldn't get in the way too much

 

So just to clarify: Will the new passengers also appear on other routes?

 

I’ve been thinking about better ways to solve this issue…

• Upgrade the route for free for existing owners and release the new train as a loco DLC. Services to the new branch could be locked behind the loco DLC, essentially still making it a paid route expansion.
• Keep the new route completely separate, but market and price it like a loco DLC, sort of following Rivet’s Island Line 2022 example.

The way DTG ended up handling it is kinda the worst of them all… but oh well, I guess the sales numbers will decide.

One thing that hasn’t come up yet: What will happen to the old LIRR? Will they stop making it compatible with future TSW games, kinda forcing us to buy the newer route (which would be insane)?

 

L.I.R.R. 2.0 - the route you originally wanted in 2018, but you have to pay for it again!
Expert BR 101 - the locomotive with the cab car you originally wanted in 2021, but you have to pay for it again!

This must be the most DTG thing ever.

 

Except the BR101 is a TSG DLC not a DTG one.

And I'm pretty sure TSG wants to make money for their work.

 

If the loco functions are as advanced like "close to real", than the price is for all the extras. Day one purchais for me.

 

And that's exact the problem: You are happy with the Pro-version, that is okay and good. Other ones like me play more casual/simple and are forced to buy that advanced version of the loco just to get this damn cab car

 

As far i could follow the way they build the rolling stock, they would need to rebuild the simplified version from scratch, (like they do with the expert line.)

So you wont be able to get it for free anyway. The dlc system of tsw is getting people to go with the paywall if you want variety.

Thats more the "problem" / situation of the business case rather than the in my opinion good idea of an expert line.

 

But the things is, the original TSW standard was kind of to be similar to the pro-range trains of TSC. TSW used to be advertised as "authentically replicated" and "experience a new level of realism", etc. Then they started not modelling engine compartments, trains losing features, and now we are asked to pay an extra to get back to what TSW was originally supposed to be?

The issue with this "expert range costs extra" concept is that now they will have "this is just a standard range loco" as the answer for every shortcoming of future releases. They are more and more normalizing mediocre quality and expect you to be okay with it.

While I would be okay with paying more for more quality releases, I say the correct way to do this would be to increase the standard for every release, and then increase the price as well. But having different standard range and expert range releases will make things even more of a mess than they are now. As if we didn't have enough duplicated of the same trains, ready to get even more of them? Good luck trying to find the expert range Class 66 with the least amount of bugs out of the 18 different Class 66s in the livery select screen, lol.

They keep making the same mistakes that made TSC the unoptimized mess it is, it's like they have learnt nothing.

 

This revenue model is what keeps DTG in business and enables it to slowly but steadily improve on the quality of their product. Get of your cloud and try to live with it. Or don't and search another hobby that makes you happy because your whining won't fix anything.

 

Again you should vent ypur frustration on the BR101 to TSG as it is there DLC.

The 1st BR101 was a DTG download.

Obviously TSG heard the complaints of no cab car, and took it upon themselves to make the cab car, and decided to make an expert version of the loco in order to justify selling it.

So those saying it should have been free or discounted because you own the old one, they are made by different companies. If DTG was making it then I would agree with the gripe of it.

As for the LIRR. That is on DTG and I agree there should have been a loyalty discount for it on all platforms of at least 25%.

But as I have said in another thread I got LIRR when I bought TSW2020 as it was included in the pack of 4 routes that came with the game. And I paid 29.99 for it.

So technically I only paid $7.50 for route so personally I don't mind paying the extra.

But I can see why those who paid full price would be upset.

 

Thanks for the tip, but I have already done that. Havn't touched TSW in a while and I was quite inactive here recently, as I was having fun with other simulators instead. I only wanted to give my opinion regarding the new announcements. But other than that, I'm kind of done with TSW until Tadami Line releases.

But I still love the "whining won't fix anything" argument. My man, it is called feedback. It is the second main source aspect for decision making after sales figures.

 

It is NOT.
Additional train (clone of m7), few miles of additional tracks (often free upgrade for other routes), busier timetable (often free upgrade for many routes), tod4 (often free upgrade for many routes) + no ai amtraks, no Grand Central... For somebody who have original route it looks exploitation. For Lirr owner 70% discount would be fair price. Ok let's say 50%

 

When you just landed ILS twin prop cessna 310 ifr in storm (msfs) on your gamepad and have three button tsw train to make some run as well. THERE IS NOTHING CHALLENGING IN TSW SAFETY SYSTEMS "ON" GAMEPLAY.

 

Well said!
Unfortunately nowadays one is not allowed to have a contrary opinion! Goes to show how shallow some people’s intelligence is!

 

Yep me too, no new tsw route purchase since last year - Msfs addons and planes growing in my hangar instead. I was hoping for DTGs gentleman behaviour in case of LIRR 2.0, but not. So my only tsw expectation now is fully working form-editor (with proper cargo options!) and I'm fine with what I allready have (considering coming tsw us freight emptiness).

 

Oh, so do I. I'm all in favor of whining, harping and complaining.
That's what got us the restoration of the save game feature and the revised timetable for NYT, among other things.

 

I'm with you. I think a constructive opinion is always welcome if it write with education, respect and some explanation of it!

 

DTG Alex its still broken on London Commuter
I have think you Said you want fixed This

 

It needs time.

 

Time doesn't fix anything, except for a broken bone maybe. Opening the editor, changing the values, exporting and testing does.

And if testing took so much time we wouldn't have the issues we're seeing, so that's not an argument.

In my company, QA is split into "Quality Gates".

Gate 1: The worker/dev himself checks his work
Gate 2: Four-eye principle. Another worker checks your work based on a checklist
Gate 3: QA staff visits production and checks if workers stick to defined procedures
Gate 4: QA disassembles a randomly chosen product and checks everything was done correctly. If errors are found, the worker responsible is invited to a talk and is made aware of the issues, and measures how to prevent this happening again are worked out
Gate 5: The customer detects faults and the product is sent back to rework. If an error slips through and reaches this gate, the company's image and reputation is at high risk of taking damage. Everything between 1 and 4 stays "in the family".

DTG are using Gate 5 extensively. In my company this would be a "disaster". Must be avoided at all cost, since we are in competition with others, and unhappy customers are unlikely to return. And there's a sense of urgency in that case - waiting times for the affected customers must be reduced as much as possible.

I'm fully aware there's differences between the automobile and software industry. But one can learn from the other.

For us, the customers, DTG's products are entertainment. For DTG, the customers are the ones paying their bills. The time they expect their customers to wait for fixes is unrivalled and a clear display of heavily flawed / non-functional Quality Management and serious lack of respect towards the people paying their bills. This lack of respect then finds its ventilation in "Enough is Enough" threads for example, which is then regularly criticised and complained about by members that are invisible most of the time and don't contribute anything helpful, further fuelling the heat.

This is what causes most of the bickering in here. And the origin is Gate 5 and missing consequences and action.

 

Press start and reset physics will close the door

 

Thing is, we shouldn't have to do that because they can't be bothered to fix it.

 

Or just pop over to the unit and close the door manually?

 

Not 100% sure, but think I read somewhere it didn't work as the door was marked as 'locked' open for some reason.

 

My fellow software QA collegues call that banana software.

 

No roadmap today is there

 

may roadmap is on 9th