Extensions You Would Like To See Most In Tsw4 (german Edition)

Basically following the idea of this thread:
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/extensions-you-would-like-to-see-most-in-tsw4.80834/

German routes only :P

 

Personally I’d like to have two routes from TSC:
- Ringbahn Berlin Circle route.
- Bahnstrecke Strasbourg - Karlsruhe, that will be another international route.

 

I like the the idea of the Sbahn extension (pretty obvious why i like it)
If something like this gets released i hope for an extension from Airport/Poppenbüttel to Altona.
They could build both Dammtor and City Tunnel Lines because the City Tunnel one wouldnt be hard to build i guess.
(I dont have much knowledge about route building so maybe im wrong)
The overground one wouldnt need as much skyline as München because the main route doesnt have very high buildings around it.

 

Extension for DRA from Riesa to Leipzig Hbf with BR 411 as new Train and maybe the Dresden-Airport Branch.

 

• Hauptstrecke Hamburg – Lübeck extended to Puttgarden so we could do the train ferry services before they were stopped. Doing it as an extension rather than a new route might not be realistic though since it would probably more than double the length of the route
• Schnellfahrstrecke Köln-Aachen extended to somewhere in Belgium, so we can get a new country
• Nahverkehr Dresden extended to somewhere in Czechia or Poland, so we can get a new country

 

We could do with a few more options for the poll...

 

Make Main-Spessart-Bahn go to Würzburg. I think the track was laid on KWG. Would be cool.

And I too would love to see S-Bahn Hamburg in TSW in some capacity.

 

Well, let's say:
MSB - adding the Sinntalbahn to Burgsinn to have more or less a connection from MSB and SKW
RT - adding Leipzig Hbf oben and Leipzig-Leutzsch to add long distance services and freight
HRR - Düsseldorf(=Flughafen)-Dortmund
HMA - adding Citytunnel to München Ost
SKA - adding northern branch Langerwehe-Eschweiler=West-Stolberg

 

Hauptstrecke Rhein Ruhr probably has the most potential with all the branch lines and being inbetween Düsseldorf and Dortmund would just make it perfect for an extension but i might be biased considering i live right inside it.

 

I'd say most German routes could be extended, here are some I'd like:

- Ruhr-sieg Nord to Siegen as well as the Iserlohn branch line
- Rhein-Ruhr Osten to Dusseldorf
- Haupstrecke Rhein Ruhr to Dusseldorf and Dortmund
- Main Spessart Bahn to Wurzburg and/or Frankfurt
- Dresden Riesa to Leipzig
- Rosenheim-Salzburg to Munich
- Hamburg-Lubeck to Bremen

 

Extend Koln - Aachen

 

Munich S-Bahn east (Hbf lower level, city tunnel, München-Ost Bf, and the commuter lines east of the city)

 

There’s a few Riesa Dresden I can think of what would be good to see as one but is quite a bit

Bring back Flughafen
Finish of the S-Bahn network and extend the route to Leipzig

 

The Leipzig extension should have been incorporated into the TSW4 upgrade of Dresden-Riesa. That could incorporate Leipzig S-Bahn services through the tunnel, borrowing from the best parts of Rapid Transit and sending that DLC into a dignified retirement.

I would really like to see more DLC focused on individual cities rather than specific routes. The prototypical example is Just Trains’ excellent Frankfurt S-Bahn for TSC which includes the full length of the S5 and S6, with Hauptbahnhof being a hub rather than a terminus. Maybe Munich can get this type of treatment in TSW, or even Berlin.

Aside from that, Ruhr-Sieg should be completed to Siegen. And, now that we’re starting to get more diesel variety in the game, extend Hamburg-Lubeck to Kiel.

 

The thing about puttgarden is that it is such a flat and boring line

 

Hannover Berlin
Paris - Karlsruhe with the stop in Strasbourg

 

Koln - Aachen: extend the line from Aachen to Brussels

 

I would like to see Kassel Würzburg, MSB and Maintalbahn in 1 route and a giant timetable. Yes nobody said for free

Thats what im still missing in TS(W)

 

RSN for me would be the big cheese.

As regards the Lubeck route, well I wouldn’t be averse to going to Puttgarden if only for the novelty of putting trains on and off the ferry. However the route might need to be reverted to an earlier era when all the IC and D trains from mainland Europe to Denmark and Scandinavia went thataway which would require lots of new rolling stock.

 

I would really like a remaster of the “Ruhr-Sieg Nord” DLC with a few more km!
It's an old road but for me it's still good to play on, lots of things to do on it (freight and passengers), it's pleasant to drive, you don't get bored on it.
yes the Ruhr-Sieg Nord would be superb remaserized

 

DRA extension

Includes the following possible plans.

S-Bahn/city network expansions:

1. Branch over Dresden Friedrichstadt to Coswig (biggest trainyard in Dresden / occopies a large chunk of the city) including the fulfillment of the RB31 finally running from Großenhain until up to Dresden Hbf, and not only Coswig.

Full expansion suggestion here: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/dra-rb31-and-dresden-friedrichstadt-gbf-expansion.79483/


2. The expansion of the S2 service from Dresden Neustadt to the airport in Dresden-Klotzsche. The BR 642 from Maintalbahn could be used in this chique airport livery.


3. The expansion of the S1 and S2 services from Dresden Hauptbahnhof to Pirna. If DTG is in a good mood, I would have nothing against a prolongation to Bad Schandau or Schöna and fullfilling the complete S1 branch - A complete service in DRA!!!

4. (if point 2 and airport branch would be made accessible), the S8 service towards Kamenz.







Two other suggestions (but I rather see unlikely to be done at a remaster, but still worth mentioning):

5. Extension from Riesa to Leipzig. While I think the whole track to Leipzig probably would be too much for DTG (in fact it's a second DLC from Riesa to Leipzig in TSC), I would suggest a prolongation to at least Wurzen. Wurzen is a bigger city and it already would serve well. Doing so would also solve the performance problem with bigger cities like Leipzig.


6. Extension for the RB31 from Großenhain up to Ruhland or Senftenberg (maybe including the BASF industry plant in Schwarzheide)

 

All the routes with ICE services besides Koln - Aachen need extending im tired of 30 minute runs in an ICE3 barely hitting 130mph.

 

Hagen-Finnentrop-> Siegen
Munich-Augsburg-> Ulm ( or Stuttgart?)
Augsburg->Munich Ost-> Rosenheim
Gemunden-Aschaffenburg-> Frankfurt
Lubeck-Hamburg-> Hannover (or Bremen)
Aachen-Cologne-> Koblenz (or the high speed route for Frankfurt)
Koblenz-Mainz-> Frankfurt
Mainz-Koblenz-> Bonn (-> Cologne)
Duisburg-Bochum-> Dortmund
Bochum-Duisburg-> Dusserdolf (-> Cologne)
Dresden-Riesa-> Leipzig
Dresden-Chenmitz-> Nurnberg
Wu#$%burg-Fulda-Kassel-Gottingen-> (Hannover?)
Rosenheim-Kufstein-Innsbruck (I know, that's not an extension)

Ok, stop for now

 

For me:

• RSN could really use an extension from Finnentrop to Siegen. It would also give an opportunity to replace the outdated freight cars and locos with the new ones and their better physics. RSN remains one of the best routes in the game to me and an extension/overhaul bringing it up to scratch would be amazing.

Apart from that:

• DRA extended up to Leipzig would be a dream come true. DRA is already one of the best German routes and this would give you much more track to enjoy it. Plus, Dresden - Leipzig would actually be a proper route from one big city to another whereas the current end point Riesa is a little in the middle of nowhere (no offence to anyone living there!).
• DRA could also do with its original airport branch. Granted, this would not really add all that much to it but i would add to the network and the S2s would actually have some driveable distance.

A bit of a pipe dream would be doing something with all the Ruhrpott routes we have - RSN, RRO, HRR (and as a bit of a stretch SKA). Throw in a few short-ish extensions and link them up. Don't think that's ever going to happen but there would be some potential for freight there at least.

 

Dresden-Riesa extended to Leipzig with br411 included and maybe the missing airport branch.

 

for me a extension of BDR could be nice and maybe a rework of rapid transit ,rapid transit could be merged with The BDR route and a new timetable with ICE/IC/RE/RB/freight and DTG can add the BR 411-415 for BDR and 1442 (rework) + 442 (5 coaches)

the route between riesa and leipzig could be included the S2 to Dresden Airport and rapid transit branch , RT need a rework and it could a good time to make the traitement that WSR get 3 month ago

BR 411-415 new train

BR 182: get new physics + new sounds same that 1116

doppelstock wagen : small rework to make up standard of tsw 4

1442 get new physics and sounds + 5 coaches (variant)

442 get 5 coaches variant

it's one of the thing i will really see on TSW4

 

Please create all routes for "UK", "Germany" and "USA". When you see this, you must think I'm crazy. This is my bold idea, please forgive me!

 

Extend SKA to another border crossing to Belgium whit ICE

 

those are not really extensions
but yes, I'd also really like to see a route from Berlin with its S-Bahn, doesn't really matter to me which line(-s) but the Ringbahn is probably the best idea to go for as it could be quite busy there, with some Regio traffic along the route (if I am not mistaken there are some sections with ohle tracks beside the S-Bahn tracks? lmao I don't know even though I am from Berlin myself )

 

1. Various extensions to HRR - so much potential here. See https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...ruhr-could-become-a-top-tier-tsw-route.77129/
2. Munich Hbf low level (at least)
3. Agreed on MSB to Wurzburg
4. The other side of the river on Linke Rheinstrecke (of course you'd have to rename it)
5. SKA at least to Messe/Deutz - possibly to Siegburg, via Porz or the Airport
6. Agreed on Leipzig Hbf in Rapid Transit + maybe some other branches too
7. Would support any extension to Dresden - Riesa
8. Likewise RRO
9. Agreed on the Hamburg S-Bahn (Airport branch)
10. Not quite Germany but Vorarlberg to St. Margrethen (Switzerland)
11. The parallel non-high-speed route from Fulda to Kassel

 

Bumping this one as it would expand the timetable in many interesting ways and also provide a connection to MSB (albeit with an anachronism since I believe SKW takes place after the Spessart tunnel opened).

 

My top 3 extensions :

• Köln-Aachen (SKA) to Liège
• Mainz-Koblenz (LFR) to Köln
• Hagen-Finnentrop (RSN) to Siegen and with the Iserlohn branch

 

Yeah my bad lol but when I saw the third option I was like, I’d choose a route choice instead. Same I don’t really care which S-Bahn route they make, but as the Ringbahn was already made on TSC, we might have more chance of having it.

As an extension, I’d like to have SKA extended to Bonn Airport.

 

Yes, it's the Hauptbahnhof-Westhafen-Jungfernheide-Spandau connection, that goes via the northern ring, (well and Hauptbahnhof-Gesundbrunnen) and I may think, also the (Bornholmer Str.)-Schönhauser Allee-Ostkreuz-Treptower Park (better Lichtenberg) eastern ring.

 

I'd dare to say about any route could be expanded in some way. In some cases, adding some branches would probably add more overall value then simply expanding the length of the main route.

Example: Linke Rheinstrecke
Reasonable length expansion option in the north would be adding Koblenz-Andernach-Remagen-Bonn, perhaps even Köln. That would basically double the length of the overall route, which is quite long already. The scenery would be nice though.
Expansion option in the south could maybe be Mainz-Ludwigshafen-Mannheim. Granted, the route itself isn't too impressive, but this could open the door for a huge amount of cargo and shunting services in the Ludwigshafen industrial area.
On the other hand, some branches which could be included would be Gau-Algesheim-Bad Kreuznach, Bingen-Bad Kreuznach, Boppard-Emmelshausen. Three very different little branches which would add a lot of variation to the timetable, without detracting from the main route. I guess I'm just the guy who prefers 2 or 3 40-minutes-long services over sitting in a cramped and noisy 103 for 2 hours

But don't get me wrong, any extension of any route would be appreciated!

Perhaps my favourite route expansion would be the one I already posted in the suggestions forum a while ago:
Rosenheim-Salzburg branches

 

That one would definetely be a lovely addition to the route. although a slight extra headache for me getting that added to my timetable too. Personally that route with extensions could have services as diverse as SEHS. as you mentioned in that thread there are 5 different branches to explore on that route. including some early and late services going onto the branches from the mainline. Towards München sounds great but maybe with a Railjet DLC. I'd say there's missed oppurtunity extending Rosenheim to Kufstein too. if I recall correctly some EC and freight over the Rosenheim bend where you stop freight now continues through and it also gives some option on the RB from München to Kufstein. a short but important extension to add a lot of service variety.

At this time the route is pretty good as is already if Freilassing freight yard wasn't so weird. and Matt said he'd like to focus on older routes first.

On that point I'd especially like to see RSN extended as explained in Matt's question what people would like to see there. and I think like SKA now, a lot of german, but also other countries could do with an updated timetable including the rolling stock released in the previous years. RRO and HRR being prime examples of that. but also MAG (I think waiting for the 420) and RT need some desperate new services at least. even if TOD4 is left behind. the routes feel so empty now. Timetables like RSN's freight interaction and the different playable and AI services on BRO are to me what makes a route amazing. it can have some really beautiful scenery but if there's only one train running up and down with the same stopping patterns at deserted stations with no AI it gets boring real soon. For example Niddertalbanh is a beautiful route and the 628 and 365 work great there. but it's not a route I go back to often to start a random service on. DRA with the two lines is perfect for that. although as mkraehe#6051 has posted. that could certainly use a small extension to fill in something missing.

 

Totally agree, before anyone starts tinkering around with Rosenheim-Salzburg, there would be multiple other German routes longing more desperately for an overhaul. München-Augsburg is a hot candidate, but as you mentioned, we'd probably have to get a 420 first, to make full use of it. A dream would be to see it expanded to some sort of "Nahverkehr München", similar to "Nahverkehr Dresden", but I guess it's complex enough as it is

Another route in need of an overhaul, or at least some loving care, would be Hamburg-Lübeck in my opinion. But maybe that's not too far off, considering it seems to be the major playground for the upcoming 218...

 

ah yes hamburg - lubeck. a lot of people don't like the route because apparently it's really boring. I think personally the railscene is decently diverse, it's sad the S bahn is empty though. but with some love that would be a great route when the 218 gets to drive there.

 

People don't like the awful 112, at least I hope so, because the route itself is pretty interesting in my opinion.

 

yeah in my opinion it's a fun little loco. but the weird physics that apparently are wrong and that it still subs in as freight loco is just awful.

 

Haven't driven it yet, honestly. Neither the 143. But it seems to be that almost every loco has got their own problems to deal with.
Perhaps instead of reworking older routes, DTG should first set their minds into fixing all those annoying little bugs, issues and oddities of the rolling stock...

 

yeah with the abandonment of the preservation crew I think the broken game will stay. there have been certain sound or other bugs on loco's that haven't been fixed for literal years so unless the recent asking and threads for route extensions and updates brings something I bet stuff like this. including the ÖBB 1116 not having a working LZB screen is something we'll see forever. I might start disabling and if possible refunding some unused or broken duplicates if this keeps on.

For the 112 and 143 I don't recall the differences anymore but the 143 being a bit bigger and stronger I think. both have an interesting driving style as the traction and AFB handle are integrated and you just set your speed and use the power handle on the side to negate wheelslip. the 143 on freight does get a little bit of a power challenge which makes it fun to drive in my opinion. and there are some very interesting liveries for them like the 112 wolkchen or the 143 weisse lady for example. AI sometimes struggles with their power too. making for some dynamic delays in timetable.

 

Agreed. I was actually very excited for the 112 when it was announced, years ago. A faster 143, wonderful, what could go wrong! A lot, apparently. Now It's abandonware, left to rot in a broken state, sad!

 

Interesting, didn't know about those power issues on the 112 and 143. A shame that issues like those don't get a good bugfix treatment

My portfolio of locos I'm currently "certified on" goes like this: 103, 110, 111, 363, 365, 425, 612, 628 and the n-Wagen and DoSto cab cars. And each of those has got some more or less annoying issues, which normally should have been sorted out by now, if quality control people were on their toes.

 

They get "fixed" when the same rolling stock gets reused for new DLC, the older version would of course still remain broken, also sad!

 

That's one more thing which continues to baffle me in this game... a loco should behave exactly the same way on any route it's being used, which currently isn't the case.

 

Probably a bunch of routes honestly.

1. Rapid Transit, either to Halle(Saale) or Riesa.
2. RSN, expand the route to siegen. I'd rather not stop at Finnentrop ZOB. Though alternatively you could expand the whole route back right into Wuppertal.
3. Tharandter Rampe, Expand into Zwickau. I know it's a bit long but let a gurl dreamm.
4. Most important to me would be MSB, that route deserves not only an expansion but a whole face-lift too... it's been sitting and rotting for too long. Let's give it some much needed renovation

So yeah, that's all I've got right now. There's probably more that I'd like to expand but I haven't gotten to play thr game in a while.

 

Bonjour sasera bien entre Strasbourg et Mulhouse et entre Strasbourg Épinal.

 

Halle would be particularly good for RT as there are two routes and we all love a network

 

I absolutely love Hamburg-Lubeck for several reasons (it might actually be my favourite German route), namely:
- It has a large station which is actually extremely busy and is a superb start/end point for services
- There are many different service patterns which means more long-term playability
- Quite a bit of freight and shunting services which is nice
- Looking very much forward to the 218
- And, I'm a fan of the 112!