Why is iot that when you use PCB on any Germain trainset you are limited to 80, and when you do not use the PCB you are limited to a higher speed Like on the last Germain trainset, going south from St-Egypt, the red dot indicate 160 for the maximum speed, if I do not use PCB, I can go to the red dot for speed, but if I use the PCB I am stuck at the 80 as per the display on the dashboard
I would suggest reading up on PZB and how it works - It is not a simple safety system, and there are many many reasons why it may have restricted your speed. Along with this, learn the German signalling systems - they deliver speed restrictions as well (These will NOT show on the HUD) - So while the PZB may limit you to 80 - you may actually be restricted to 60, 40 or even 30! There is not enough information in your post to explain exactly why the restriction is in play. Somewhere on YouTube - there is a 3 hour stream from Matt Peddleston explaining how PZB works - I'd suggest that as a starting point. (and 3 hours really is a basic introduction to it as well...)
Between the station St-Egypt and Newkitchen there is no other speed limitation there is only the blue light on the dashboard that is lit to 80 Also quite a few times on that same trainset between the start and Paperback station, there is a succession of PCB poles, so I kept my finger on the PCB reception button, and then got in the screen as well as on the dashbaords the light saying that I have to press 1000 time in one second (which is humanly impossible except maybe if you are on some drugs) and the got a stopped and can not get back until I do the new option I AM STUCK (previously it meant using the windows task manager to end the game) to get going again PS I read on the PCB, and nothing make sense, even if I attempt to do exactly what it is suppose to do, it still never get me anywhere
and you need to pay to see it, which will be around $200+ Beside video are the worse instruction material, in most there is steps that are assumed or skipped (not always on purpose), and you need to start all over if you miss, or need to get clarification of something, so an 1hrs video, quickly become a days video
In this case I would really encourage you to see the video, as it will show you some basic knowledge, which I believe you need to understand the basics. I don’t understand why you would need to pay for it. It s free on my end?! The blue 80 or 85 only indicates that PZB is active in mode “O” (obere Zugart). It will restrict you to 160 (plus 5kmh).
We need to pay for download (this month will cost me much because of the 2 trainset ), and we are limited to 3Gb If you are limited to 160 then why is the light not lighting 160 instead of 80 or 85, it would then make more sense. I was even penalised when I was going below 60, and the lights was flashing 70 to 80, so I should be good to go at between 70 and 80, and I was lower than 60, why then I was penalised
Not at all! It is free! The second half of the video is Matt playing Koln-Aachen, so only the first half of the video is really necessary. This is how I learned PZB, and so did many members of the forums. If you want, give the first part of the video a quick watch (at 1.5x speed if you like) and come back here with any questions. The alternative is someone typing out a massive essay about how PZB works, which will take at least 30 minutes to read and understand anyway.
We posted at the same time. I see now why you would have to pay for it. The reason the light does not show 160 is because older locomotives only had limited space. It is not like TVM430 which can show a wide variety of speed limits - PZB still relies on signs by the side of the track. when the light is alternating between 70 and 85, that means you should stay below 40km/h. I'll try and make a guide for you, I can't guarantee much help though.
Hey mate/As far as I understand correctly, you have a problem with the PZB. Which locomotive or which addon is it about.
if the 70-80(5) is flashing mean to be below 40, then why not have the 40 light ON then it would make more sense TVM430, never heard of that one, must not be Geman, British, or USA BTW, I read everything I could find (in english), and all I got is that in some signal , you have to0 stand on your head press a button and pull a lever, push the lever or some sort (it is amazing that there not more accident in trains in Germany, doing thing like that, by the time you figure out what you have to do, you are already miles away from where the signal was, and probably into another train or worse)
When making The 40 light means something else. As you can see, not a lot of lights on older locomotives, so they had to work with those. You are correct. TVM430 is French, and can be found in Southeastern Highspeed Extended and LGV Mediterreanee: You may have read that at a signal that is showing any yellow colour or flashing green, you must acknowledge by pressing PZB acknowledge. When passing a warning for a speed limit reduction that is below 100km/h (yellow upside down triangle) you must also acknowledge. If the 85 starts flashing, slow down to 80km/h.
Read these articles - they're the best grounding in how PZB works I know of: https://www.sh1.org/eisenbahn/rindusi.htm
Oh it is part of the ugly british train, the one that use 2 different speed, from London it match the HUD, and after all the tunnels use a different speed system As for the TGV, I never used the safety system as it does not seem to work at all
that is for another system entirely, from the name I guess Indian system, or inspired by an Indian system
Indusi (Induktiv Zugsicherung, inductive train protection) was the original name. DB changed it (officially, anyway) to Punktförmige Zugbeeinflussung, intermittent train influencing, with its 1980 incarnation (PZB 80). This probably was to give it a name in parallel to but distinct from the newer Linien Zugbeinflussung (LZB), linear train influencing, which was introduced in the late 1960s (that is, later than the last "Indusi" version, I 60). But lots of drivers and railheads still call it by the old name.
Well I just got more reason to never use train in Germany, too risky to get into an accident sine ce driver would be too busy trying to figure out what to do, and by the time he/she figure out, it is possibly into another train Another reason not to use trains in Germany, is that they are not mobility issue people accessible, if I tried the wheel of my walker would be stuck between the train and the dock :-( And in the game I will just play it without it, and I guess I will never be able to play the last USA trainset, as I read that it is PCB all the time no way to turn it off :-(
trains are more than safe here. pzb isnt that hard to use but really safe. the accessibility issue i can understand but its being worked on with low floor trains and the staff is also always happy to help
Well, the thing about PZB is that if you don't do the correct steps it requires, it will stop your train. Frustrating, but nobody gets hurt. Once you learn it, it actually makes sense! So do try to learn it. But, yes, the initial hurdle is pretty tall and it will give you some unwanted emergency brakings at first. (Here's a hint- when you're first learning PZB, keep Sifa turned off. That's an additional distraction you don't need, until you've got the hang of PZB.)
funny how it is, I am in the country with the lowest number of passenger for train and also with the lowest number of passenger train, and train are the only way beside car to get from one city to the other for those who have mobility issues. then again in Europe like in Canada those with mobility issues are treated like sub-human :-D
if you have PCB, why then have the SIFA, in your caser it should be the driver either use the SIFAS, or PCB, or passenger train use PCB, and cargo train use SIFA I do not get why there is 2 exactly same system that need to be on the same train
the only way I found to get the least stoppage is to pres every PCB and SIFA button for every pole that have any kind of sign on the side of the track, whether it is on the left or right of the track, and even at that you I could never satisfied the 1000 press in one second that the yellow light or the HUD sign is showing
sifa is just for checking if the driver is still awake or alive it requires lifting your foot about every 30 seconds. pzb is more about braking early enough and making sure you dont just ignore signals
well if you are awake (should technically be alive) you do brake on time, look at all other countries in the world, and only Germany have such a system (unless it is the proof that german train driver are not capable of keeping their eyes on the track (no offense intended))
because pzb is more than just making sure the driver is alive it monitors speed, braking curves, and makes sure you dont ignore signaling. its an important part of making a railway run safely and smoothly
for example in the last german trainset between Muzzel and the other hand, where those special curve for braking, and how do I recognise them, maybe that is why I get so many stoppage
braking curve is more metaphorical its the decrease in speed in the 23 seconds you have to brake from the maximum of 165 to 85 in oberer zugart. you would need to adhere to the braking curve after a 1000 hertz magnet next to the track these are usually paired with a signal.
I petty the poor passenger that are onboard of a train that have slow from 165 in 23, there must be a lot of head injury with that kind of slowing down :-\ So if I understand you correctly for every signal, you have to be at or below 85, why go any faster then and at the same time you are busy trying to slow down from 165 to below 85, you also have to press 100 time in 1 second a specific button
I found this guide on steam very helpful for learning how to use PZB: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2918729766
it's not that bad. even a driver not braking enough and getting a penalty brake which is even more quick in slowing you down than full service braking. unless you are standing and not balanced you will have no problem. PZB is a bit scary to brake without knowing you have to. for example having EBuLa or some route knowledge to start braking 500m earlier would help. going from 160 to 85 within 23 second might be scary but don't fear putting the train into braking mode 6 and release when you are at 90km/h. that works for me usually. especially driving freight and special services knowing PZB and how it works can greatly help you understand how to safely drive. line speed might be 140 but if the signal says go 60 you really should. I'd advice you to look up some tutorials and drive some RB trains or S bahn to get to know PZB. with freight or express trains it can suprise you sometimes. the numbers shown in the cab stand for the PZB mode. not the max speed allowed at the time, but the max speed allowed after you acnowledge a magnet. Sifa is just a dead mans switch. PZB is a whole different system protecting the rail from overspeeding lightly said. LZB for that matter takes a few of those things and does it for you. doesn't mean it's all automatic though. The manual for RSN shows a lot about PZB. but also the different signal types and what they mean. I think there should be a PZB manual ingame like the LZB one on KWG. but for now, the best way to learn is to drive and get used to how it works. https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic....eg_Nord_Driver_s_Manual_-_EN.pdf?t=1604592130 On a sidenote, you mentioned being on the semmeringbahn between St Egyden and and Neunkirchen. I recall some forum thread saying in the direction of Murzuschlag (south) there is a rogue 500hz magnet forcing you to go less than 80 over it and slow down to 40. that one is placed wrong and I hope DTG fixes that soon. No idea what routes you own but I think either Dresden to Riesa or Köln to Aachen is great to learn PZB on. some limited parts but mostly just calm driving. Ruhr Sieg Nord is a decent one too but with all the slow down signs can be a bit unforgiving when driving freight. I wish you good luck in learning PZB
You’re expecting more information than the system is set up to give you. The genius of PZB is that it is incredibly low-tech. There are three different types of magnets (running at 500, 1000, or 2000 hz) that are either switched on or switched off. That’s the entire technology on the track side. The computer system in the cab reacts to these magnets by either immediately emergency braking (in the case of a 2000hz magnet), requiring acknowledgment and a braking curve (in the case of a 1000hz magnet), or imposing an immediate speed check and braking curve (in the case of a 500hz magnet). Aside from these magnets there is no communication whatsoever between train and track. Whether or not a magnet is active is dependent on the state of the associated signal. A Vr0 or Vr2 means the 1000hz magnet is active. An Hp0 means the 2000hz magnet is active at the signal and the 500hz magnet is active ahead of the signal. It’s never a mystery because the driver has all of the necessary visual clues to determine how the PZB system will react and what they have to do to comply. Finally, there is the restricted mode, which activates when the cab is switched on or if the train stops while a 1000hz or 500hz magnet is active. The reason for this is that a driver who is just taking over or who is proceeding after a wait may not know whether the main signal ahead shows stop or proceed. A 45kph or 25kph restriction prevents a driver from accidentally running a red light in those circumstances. it’s an absolute genius system and frankly one of the reasons I pretty much only drive German trains despite living and working in “Boston Sprinter” land.
I rarely go above 80, because otherwise it is impossible to stop without having the brakes in 10+, for station at around 3000 european miles I the transmission is in neutral, I try to use the track to slow down as much as possible, then depending on the speed between 1500 european miles and 1000 european miles, I will use 1 or 2 brakes. Ps the braking habit are the same no matter where I drive I do not understand what those are, no matter what trainset I use, I only run the proper games runs, which is the Journey, I avoid doing anything outside the Journey, it is too frustrating, as you have to go back to the game main menu after every runs to do the next I read it, and what I understood from it is if using the PCB, you must press the PCB Received button for everything that look like a sign on the side of the track Past St-Egyden, there is a border crossing that stopped the engine for the small double locomotive train, but not the big with one locomotive I own every single trainsset and locomotive in TWS PS I might just blow my head off, trying to understand PCB
a magnet can not be turn off, it is always ON, what you are previously saying would mena you can turn a magnet ON or OFF, but it can not be but that is where it get overly complicated (typical german over engineering (no offense to any German)), is to find out which signal is there there is no real difference between them except that it will force the train to stop, in some case impossible to get it restarted unless you restart the entire run (or game), plus there is also signs without lights on either side to the rack that also stopped the train And I still want to know how can any human press a button 1000/sec
And why do I get stopped by a signal that want me to be below 80, if I am alrerady below 80, in fact 99% of the time I am between 40 and 60, I may get above 60 in stint of 5000+ european miles, and if using PCB, since it shows the max is 80, never exceed 80 Even on the Cologne trainset, apparently the ICE can go at 500+, I can never get it faster than 80 if I use the PCB
Yeah, if you are running one of those fully loaded 4000 ton G-braked coal trains down the ramp on MSB, otherwise, it isn't a problem. Also, you are supposed to brake as soon as you see the signal.
that make more sense if they are electromagnet But the infrastructure to have all this running, that mean you need a generator at each magnet (or close group) that can generate the 1000hz for each magnet
my braking way is for passengers, for cargo train I at least double my distances, or even triple it As for seeing the the signal, 90% of the time you are about 100 feet or so to be able to make you whether it is your signal or not
If you’re using the HUD knowing what signal is next shouldn’t be a problem, usually anything yellow indicates you should slow down, and if you’re not sure what the signal is telling you just acknowledge it, there’s no penalty for acknowledging unnecessarily
I already press the PCB Received button for every single pole that have something on it, and still i am getting nowhere as the train keeps getting stopped without an apparent reason (except that the train is high on PCB) , and the light on the dashboard and HUID are asking me to press the button at 1000/sec, for 10+ minutes (maybe if I could find a way to truely press 1000 itme/sec it would react faster) before it goes off and the train start to be again "normal"
The 1000 Hz related to the electromagnet, not how often you have to press the button. Read the instructions you’ve been given, rather than assuming you know the answer. You press the button once at the speed sign/signal then get down to the specified speed within the specified time. When you need to press it is in the documentation you have been given. The speeds and times are in the documentation you have been given.
Acknowledgement alone is not enough. You must also slow down to whichever speed is required as well. This must be achieved within the allocated time. If you believe you cannot slow down to the required speed in time, you must operate your train at a slower speed. Whenever I drive the Vectron, I never exceed 100km/h for this reason. Even if you are already below 80, the signal is asking you to slow down, so you must acknowledge it anyway. Keep practicing - you'll get it eventually.
Can you PLEASE read a guide about the PZB system. It seems like you don't know anything about the system so it is really important to read a guide and THEN maybe ask something you don't understand.
but I am already below the speed, I am even better than you I rarely exceed 60 and never above the CPB limit of 80
You may be below the speed, but acknowledge the signal anyway if it is asking you to slow down. 'But I am already below the speed' is not an excuse for PZB. You must acknowledge a signal that is asking you to slow down. Whether or not you agree with this practice is also irrelevant. You must acknowledge a signal that is asking you to slow down.
