Out Now Lirr Commuter - Out Now!

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  1. dtg_jan

    dtg_jan Community Manager Staff Member

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    Long Island Rail Road: Commuter is here! We return to New York for an entirely new experience courtesy of an upgraded, extended route and a brand new train to operate: the M9 EMU.



    Coming Later Today
    Steam players that own the original Long Island Rail Road release can still get a 10% loyalty discount until 14th May.

    Xbox Game Pass subscribers can also get 10% off (this offer can take up to 24 hours to go live on the store).

    LIRR Commuter: The Story So Far...

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    If you’re been following the progress of this new route Add-on, you’ll no doubt be fully aware of all the additions, amendments, extensions, upgrades and new features that LIRR Commuter has to offer. If you haven’t, you can get up to speed with some of our previous articles and the all-important LIRR Commuter Manual.

    A summary of our previous articles and information:

    • Announce Article:
      • Covering Licensor changes, route and train overviews and a deep dive on Brandon’s Signaling overhaul.
    • Pre-Order Article:
      • Breakdown of the schedule, including an overview of playable services and AI layers
    • LIRR Commuter Manual:
      • Important guidance on mandatory safety systems, in-cab signalling, cab set up and more.
    • Preview Stream:
      • Almost 3 hours of LIRR action! With JD, Brandon and Matt covering everything from the route, to the trains and the Double Duty Conductor Scenario


    The Route: New York - Long Beach, Hempstead & Hicksville

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    This part of suburban New York can now be seen with the full benefit of TOD4 lighting, Volumetric Fog and all the other standard features found in Train Sim World 4 routes. This is includes upgraded scenery textures and increased fidelity with the landscape texture blending as well as overhauled water textures which take prominence around the new Long Beach branch, which adds more route mileage and a host of additional LIRR services.

    The route encompasses the entire Long Beach and Hempstead branches as well as the Main Line to Hicksville and the Atlantic Branch to Atlantic Terminal allowing for the busy network to run populated with a full schedule of services.

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    Trains running out of the map from other branches that are not represented exist too and are playable as far as the last stop on route, before continuing out of the map as AI. This can include Port Washington, Far Rockaway and West Hempstead trains which all run on sections of the network that are included in this route Add-on.

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    With almost 40 stations on the route (more than any other route Add-on), a representative PIS on platforms is another important feature in a number of different formats. This includes the simple displays found with blue or black backgrounds, others giving time of arrival and platform number and more complex displays at places like Jamaica, where the different line colors are displayed to make it easier for passengers (and players) to know which trains are going where.

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    Signaling is also a feature that has seen an entire overhaul for this route Add-on, which Brandon covers in both the announce article and preview stream. Approximately 1,900 signals had to be reimplemented individually to simulate how they interact with each other and the trains running between them.

    Collectibles hidden throughout the route include the standard local route maps and signs seen in previous Train Sim World routes, as well as Bagel Stands representing the food that New York is famous for!

    The Trains: M9 and M7 EMUs
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    New to Train Sim World is the M9 EMU, only introduced to the real-world LIRR in 2019 and featuring state-of-the-art technology compared to their predecessors

    Joining them is the M7 EMU that players may well be already familiar with, upgraded and overhauled in-game with updated audio (using Harlem Line as a reference) and in cab functionality.

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    A bit part of the interactivity in these trains are the modern screens that provide engineers with the information they need. In-game these screens are functional and are used for cab set up, fault clearing (though the faults do not affect operation in-game) and observing the train’s power. Players can even see the motors lose and gain power individually as their train runs over gaps in the third rail, which is important to avoid the risk of ending up stranded without power (known as ‘gapping’). The risk of this is low, but possible in certain places such as Long Island City.

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    Fans of the ‘Guard Mode’ we featured in the UK route Add-on Glossop Line will rejoice in another opportunity (albeit, very different) to once again play as the Conductor in the Double Duty Scenario. This requires playing in this important role for the entire run from Long Beach, checking tickets of passengers, but also interacting with the AI engineer and fulfilling some of the other duties that are required by LIRR Conductors.

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    Train Sim World 4: LIRR Commuter: New York - Long Beach, Hempstead & Hicksville route Add-on is out now for $39.99/£29.99/€35.99

    There is a 10% loyalty discount on launch for Steam players who own the original Long Island Rail Road route Add-on.

    Steam Loyalty discount will apply to owners of Long Island Rail Road: New York - Hicksville in TSW2020, TSW2, TSW3, or TSW4.

    The 10% loyalty discount will remain in place on Steam until 14th May.

    Original Long Island Rail Road Add-ons

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    The original LIRR release is unchanged but will remain available to purchase as a separate TSW Compatible route Add-on for Train Sim World 4 and for previous Train Sim World core games.
    The Original M3 EMU loco Add-on is also unchanged but will be available to purchase as a TSW Compatible Add-on to unlock additional service layers for both the original LIRR Add-on and this new release - Long Island Rail Road: Commuter.
     
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    dtg_jan Community Manager Staff Member

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    Additionally, you can find a LIRR Safety System Tutorial video hosted by Matt down below:

     
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    Princess Entrapta Well-Known Member

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    Out now, you say?
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    Getting Steam players' hopes up.
     
  4. Scotrail156467

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    18f2f0498b286-screenshotUrl.jpg issue with the M3 doesn't show thr track speed also I think it should say 60 instead of 80 leaving Penn Station
     
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    MAX1319 Well-Known Member

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    M3 doesn't have ACSES installed that's why track speed is not shown on the train. You do get it on the hud so that's a good thing, So everything you there is normal
     
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  6. Crosstie

    Crosstie Well-Known Member

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    Did anyone else notice that trains on the preview stream were empty of passengers? I wonder if this is a feature of the release version. I'll take a look when Steam downloads later today.

    Whatever happened to the Rush Hour Passenger concept?
     
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  7. LIRRGuy

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    It's a core issue I think
     
  8. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    It's always been like that
     
  9. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Passenger behavior is a core issue which deff needs work. They made some improvements with Rush Hour, but subsequent patches have added weirdnesses.

    DTG has a dev who has done really good work with passenger modeling lately (clothes, umbrallas, phones, suitcases etc etc); but their behavior is a nother sort of programming- which really needs attention. From the very simple (EVERYBODY gets off at the end of the line, and doesn't ride it to the depot), to the rather sophisticated (passengers move to and wait on platforms based on the departure schedule).
     
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  10. Observadorpt

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    Hi

    No trophies for this OLD NEW route??
     
  11. DB628

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    The Trains are almost Empty on all Routes :(
     
  12. neddyie116

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    As expected quite a lot of frame drops especially around Jamaica station I'm on PS5?
     
  13. stephenbabalola01

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    so what was the M3 update even for??
     
  14. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    No changes to the train; the updare was the new scenarios and layer, and to make it independent of the old LIRR route.
     
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    The Scenarios Are the Same
     
  16. DTG JD

    DTG JD Director of Community and Marketing Staff Member

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    There aren't achievements available for this route, no.
     
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    i can not see any Collectables on the old Stations like Station Maps.
     
  18. MAX1319

    MAX1319 Well-Known Member

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    Here's some information about LIRR2
    1. The route has 39 stations(including Hillside MX complex and Bolands Landing) (most in game) 40 if you include the abandoned Woodhaven
    2. Total night services: 113 total playable from 12am-5:59am(most playable passenger service at those times)
    3. 49 spawn points through out the route map (most of any route)
    4. We have a total of 625 LIRR services, M3(32), M7(287), M9(306) with total of 1104 services that includes all AI (4th most playable passenger route in the game)
    5. includes the following 25 complete services: (Most in the game)
    Penn- Hicksville,
    Penn- Hempstead
    Penn-long beach
    Penn- Hicksville north siding
    Penn-Belmont
    Penn -Jamaica
    Long Beach-Atlantic
    Long Beach -Jamaica
    Long Beach -WSY
    Jamaica-Hempstead
    Jamaica-Atlantic
    Jamaica-Belmont
    Jamaica-LIC
    Atlantic- Hempstead
    Hicksville-Jamaica
    Vanderbilt yard- Jamaica
    Vanderbilt yard- Atlantic Terminal
    Vanderbilt yard-Hempstead
    WSY-Belmont
    WSY- Hillside facility
    WSY-Jamaica
    WSY-Hicksville north siding
    Valley stream sidings- Penn station
    Hillside facility-Hicksville north siding
    Hillside facility-Penn station
    No other current route in the games even comes close to that number of complete services

    6. Unique west bound dual track operation from Hicksville to Floral park in the morning Am rush hours 7am- 7:30am
    7. Unique west bound dual track operation from Floral park to Hicksville 6pm- 6:30PM (service 1256)
    8. numerous simultaneous departures from Jamaica station track 1,2,3 and 6,7,8
    9. five branches , 2 different PIS systems, most playable US route in the game, most passengers only services in game between 12- 5:59am. 10. M7,M9 ATC and ACSES interactive test 11. Automatic guard buzzer when doors are closed
    12. M7 and M9 CDP interactive screens
    Jamaica station train movements per hour:
    12am-1am-18
    1am-2am-11
    2am-3am-7
    3am-4am- 11
    4am-5am-8
    5am-6am-19
    6am-7am-21
    7am-8am-38
    8am-9am-36
    9am-10am-27
    10am-11am-17
    11am-12pm-17
    12pm-1pm-14
    1pm-2pm-14
    2pm-3pm-14
    3pm-4pm-25
    4pm-5pm-34
    5pm-6pm-36
    6pm-7pm-31
    7pm-8pm-27
    8pm-9pm-17
    9pm-10pm-13
    10pm-11pm-16
    11pm-12am-16
     
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    Hmm...that adds up to 487 movements through Jamaica in 24 hours. That's...less than half the number of services in the timetable? That doesn't seem right. The Port Washington Branch isn't THAT busy! ;)
     
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    MAX1319 Well-Known Member

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    Keep in my lots of ECS movements and not everything goes through
     
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    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    That's a LOT of service variety. I think all other routes pale in comparison.
     
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    *coughs in Every freight route created for TSW*
     
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    MAX1319 Well-Known Member

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    And that’s not counting the actual service variety. That’s counting only realistic end to end complete service on the route. I didn’t count the actual service variety. Will try to get that number which will bring it much higher
     
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  25. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Not really. On a route like, say, GWE, the freight services are all exactly the same, Reading to Acton Yard or Acton Yard to Reading. MSB, straight shot between Aschaffenburg and Gemünden and vice-versa. ECW adds a bit of shunting, but that's it. The only routes with significant freight variety are RSN and Clinchfield.
     
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    Princess Entrapta Well-Known Member

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    I love how dense it all is. Jamaica looked like a proper station with all those services that were going in and out while I did a quick stream of it for some friends.
     
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    Schnauzahpowahz's review.

    :|
     
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    I like it. Just dont like that it costs as much as it does for previous owners. Kind of a rip
     
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    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

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    I think thats what the general consensus with some people feel like, especially console players that don't get to benefit with any discount for previous ownership.

    New players obviously get a new route, but existing owners should of gotten a bigger discount.
     
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    I wish that I can disable the safety systems because I'm hearing-impaired and I can't hear the alarm go off.
     
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    DTG Harry Community Manager Staff Member

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    Hi Jeff. We do have a feature that can help with this. If you go to Settings > Accessibility then select the 'Normal' HUD type.
    This will cause the indicators in the bottom right to flash when there's an alert. I hope this helps.
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    Princess Entrapta Well-Known Member

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    I'm pretty sure if I have to listen to them long enough without ear protection I'll end up hearing impaired.
     
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    marcsharp2 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah it's why I won't be buying it.
     
  35. SeventeenF

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    What the...? I wouldn't have bought it if I knew this was the case, and now it's too late for a refund.

    How hard can it be to set up 3 achievements? Why would you even omit achievements, like, what could possibly be the reason other than "we couldn't be bothered"? They better be a part of Patch 1 is what I'm saying.
     
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    Yea is unfortunate. It was mentioned back on April 9th upload_2024-5-1_6-25-22.png
     
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    Thank you very much for your help. I changed the [Q] key to [DEL] key on the numpad.
     
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    The weird thing about a lack of achievements/trophies is that this route intially leaked courtesy of the PlayStation trophies going live on Sony's systems, maybe the MTA don't like trophies.
     
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    MAX1319 Well-Known Member

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    Here's a video fr the safety system which Matt made. Is very entertaining
     
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    I am getting a Dovetail live is not available message on x box x
     
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    Signalling is stupid. You have no tracksigns or something else for speed restrictions. Your driving at 60 mph and all of a sudden boom 15 mph and your being braked down. No signs in advance so that you are able to brake befor you reach the actual point. Totally stupid...
     
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    MAX1319 Well-Known Member

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    This my help you. It help me with the safety systems
     
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    This is why being a train engineer is considered a skilled profession. You require training and practice in order to use these systems.
     
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    Crosstie Well-Known Member

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    If you're wondering whether you should watch Matt's tutorial, stop wondering and watch it! It's short but really good and useful.
     
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    MAX1319 Well-Known Member

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    My favorite part is “ I’ve done bad things””ugh is a nightmare” “what was I doing”
     
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    As far as I have been able to try it, i like it. Missing Achievements don't bother me, I just want to drive trains.
     
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  47. Spikee1975

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    Many people seem to forget this. Trains are driven by professionals.

    Always a balancing act for a developer - make it realistic and people will complain, make it easy and people will complain... ;)
     
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    This game is addicting to me, I just can’t stop playing it lol, but only question is will there be arcing sparks added to all three of the trains? Or it’ll just stay the way it is.
     
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    This was reported and file with Jira. hope this information helps
     
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    Hey Matt,


    I’m a local of the Long Island Railroad and from the livestream the timetable looked very good, and I bought the route and it is very good the M9 is fire, the M7 gotten much needed updates, and the scenarios look super fun to play and I can’t wait to try them when I have a chance. Like I said in a previous post,” the game was barely over the line of playable” with terrible frequency of services and very little variety including no Port Jefferson Branch trains and just a generally bad route. This route, on the other hand, is very good with an amazing timetable that’s actually real (despite being the old timetable before ESA-2023) and a very good variety of services, including the new south shore expansion. I really like the new route but I have a problem, I play on Xbox Cloud Gaming on my computer and for some unknown reason it gives me the Xbox Series X Timetable Downgrade meaning I don’t really get to play all the services and services I get to play aren’t very unique and since I’m playing Xbox Cloud on a MacBook (which can handle the full timetable), I’d like to know why I can’t play the full timetable and id like you guys to please issue a fix to this problem, maybe make it a setting like on NY-Trenton to display an option to do the full or the reduced timetable.
     
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