I'm the exact opposite. I always drive with my safety systems on. I don't have to constantly turn on these systems, which is an advantage for me. Thanks to TSW, I learned how to operate these systems.
Interesting. I was also wondering if people that do drive with safety systems on all the time would like these dumbed down safety systems. I wouldn't mind to turn the safety systems off at the start of a service It's not about learning the safety systems. I already knew how the safety systems work from the other US commuter lines. It's about the sound. I just like to hear the sound of the train when I drive and because cockpit sound is muted that means I put the volume high. I can't find the right volume to play this route without going nuts from the alerter sounds going off all the time.
Everyone is different (and that's totally fine!) but I like playing with the safety systems on because it makes me work that bit harder and gives me reason to concentrate, which is a different kind of concentration from what I use for my job and other hobbies, so it's weirdly relaxing. Having said that, I find PZB too 'stressful' (I have to concentrate too much!), so I find myself generally avoiding the German/Austrian routes because I can't bring myself to play without the safety systems on.
What about restrictions when approaching some red signals? I get an emergency brake and STOP indicator when coasting at 9 MPH into Woodside platform ~100 feets in front of the red signal. Incab 15, HUD 15.
So they should just keep ignoring it in their newer releases and then come to find out there is no one fix all solution and they do end up having to go through every instance where it happens individually (which obviously is something they will never do). I don't see how correcting this issue in their newer releases is not feasible.
Train 35 (Babylon - Penn) has you stop well past the end of the platform at Penn even though all 12 carriages can quite comfortably fit? Running on XSX.
I do think the access clash (ACSES clash? hehe...) of players with sensitive hearing and shrill alarm noises should have been a consideration when designing the game's audio sliders from the beginning. Deaf players can play fine with the safety systems on and the visual prompts to guide them, why not anyone else? If they are going to be mandatory, the audio should at least be configurable separately from the rest of the train's sounds. Most of my friends who are into TSW also happen to be autistic, and require environments without such noises, I've had to stream LIRR Commuter for them with no sound at all.
Yep, and you don't need to be on the spectrum to have this problem. I have a neuro vestibular thing going on. I can't deal with multiple simultaneous sounds and shrill tones are very uncomfortable for me too. Hard to explain, but I can only describe it as vibrating my brain! It is what it is though, but I'd have hoped there could have been some workaround options for the permanently on alerter.
A very good example of what I'm going trough. Not putting myself on the spectrum because I had no problems with the safety systems when I wanted to play the route as intended but I like to play TSW also in the late hours to unwind. Not possible with this route as it activates my brain too much and waking up everyone which the alerter sounds with I can't dim.
Open map move cursor over train must be lead car press X/A on console (unsure on pc button). Screen opens with remove path or delete train.
Adjust the sound settings on your computer. Quality headphones often have advanced sound processing. It helped me a lot.
How? There is no setting for these alarms. That is the problem we are describing. There is no way to tweak the audio levels for these sounds. Preferably I would be able to prevent these alarms like being noted visually that an alerter comes up giving me time to acknowledge before the alarm sounds.
I wasn't able to finish the service n°876 (Penn - Long Beach) in the M9 due to a congestion at Valley Stream if I'm not mistaken
I have had tinnitus for a long time. The sharp sound is unpleasant to me. In the settings, I lowered the treble peaks and reduced the bass. You often have an equalizer in the settings of your sound card. It helped me.
But then you ruin the entire audio experience. Only this route has these alarms you can't turn off. If you change your system sounds settings these changes also change the audio for everything which sounded fine before buying this route
Reading the feedback, beginning to think this route should be marketed as being for advanced users only…
Indeed. Totally doing the opposite what MTA wanted. If the safety systems were not mandatory people would not know what the alarm sounds would mean when they stole a train. The train would come to a stop and the train thief could be apprehended a minute after they started their joyride.
Been very surprised because of old tracks. I thought there would be something new in 2024, such as UBS Arena station, new entrance to the Atlantic Yard, availability to drive from track 2 from Floral Park to Hicksville (and still there's no trains stopping at floral park at main line), etc... It looks like loss of money to buy this. Anyway, new LIRR is more interesting than before, but it looks like an update, not a new release. But a big fly in the ointment is safety systems than cannot be disabled.
in this case what happens is at 17:45 service 2866 Atlantic terminal to far rockaway goes of path after leaving Valley stream as AI. So since service 876 is also a 1745 service is also affected , this was previously filed and is on Jira. If you want to be able to complete the service you can delete the train. Here's a video on how to do it. Hope the information helps.
It’s probably not for people used to driving UK EMU’s with safety systems off. But after watching Matt’s video and making a few mistakes myself, I’m not finding it that hard. Personally I’m finding it very immersive as it’s really forcing me to pay attention. I do accept though that a lot of people like to play to relax and not be bothered by safety systems so it’s a shame they are always on. I would, however,like the option for all DLCs to be able to set them on or off by default.
I suspect that's why the brake pipe recharge has been removed and replaced with the max brake thing. In terms of the safety systems always being on, I wonder if the motivation is to promote the concept of a safely operated railway rather than it being a free-for-all: if you can't joyride in the game, you might be less inclined to do it in real life (I know this is a very contentious point!).
In my case it's not about mistakes or too difficult. The route is fun when you are into doing the work. I'm an MTA approved driver according to the route as I passed my services with platinum medals But I also like to enjoy the route once in a while. This route doesn't give you the option to do so or you have to drive passenger seat. This might be the first route I'll board as a passenger.
Got an emergency brakes again on M7. Now I'm sure that the bad weather(heavy snow) is a culprit. The scenario is approximately the same: the signal incab changes from 70 to 40, a penalty brake indicator, wheels begins slipping, the alarm does not stop after confirmation(controller at 44% brakes), and as a result, the emergency brake(with red indicator on right screen). Nothing I(as a train driver) can't do in this situation. I don't think that in real life wheel slip can affect the safety systems in this way - without a chance for the train driver to react and correct the situation. Looks like a bug to me.
Driving in the snow is very difficult and you need to try to anticipate earlier than usual and can't apply to much or it will start to slip on you. Is going to take time to learn the limits. hope this info helps
The safety systems applying brakes, not me. The train applying the brakes -> go to wheel slip -> applying the emergency brakes, maybe cause speedometer gone crazy. Everything happened without my intervention and without the ability to influence the result. I just set the handle to 44% braking and pressed confirmation several times, but this had no effect on the situation and alarm continued to sound.
Come on buddy, i thought you wanted something more challenging than a one-handled EMU lol?? Joking aside, it's really not complicated at all. If i can learn PZB, ya'll can learn ATC/ACSES! Especially the version of ATC in LIRR- it basically manages itself other than having to acknowledge the speed drops. ACSES does require some route knowledge but that's part of the fun imo. Some of it is an attitude adjustment imo. When i started playing with PZB and SIFA on German routes, i treated every penalty brake as almost a "game over" type failure, instead of a learning opportunity, sometimes even rage quitting. Now that i have much more practice, it would be weird not to have them on. Same thing here- i encourage people to stick with it for a little bit. Also remember, ATC auto-braking isn't a failure on your part (as long as you're under the track speed)- it's the system working as intended!
yea that means that you are going above the posted speed. I'll share a video from Brandon's stream that can help better explain https://www.youtube.com/live/Y4YM96H2bCQ?si=noYRsFywElOhGgSa
Can you remember if it was an ATC change from 70 to 40, or track speed change (speed limit on the ADU)? IIUC, if it's a track speed change, being that far overspeed would trigger an emergency brake application regardless. If it was ATC, then yes, the autobraking could have caused wheelslip due to the snow (and/or gradient), which the became an emergency application since it wasn't slowing down quickly enough. The wacky speedo is a consequence of wheelslip for sure. I don't know the prototypical operations for this particular situation- do IRL railways enforce weather-related temporary speed restrictions? Or is it just down to the driver's discretion?
The ATC. And it happened again! My speed is 56, ATC change from 60 to 40 and everything repeats. Autobrake, wheel slip, emergency brake. I just can't do anything. This definitely needs a fix.
The speed limit on this section is always been 60, I didn’t even suspect that it could suddenly change. How can I predict the change in speed if the signal I passed showed clear? This is some kind of fortune-telling, and not a safety systems.
Gamemode: Timetable Service: M7 Train 2815 Platform: PC(But pretty sure this is also happening on console as well)
Is just route knowledge and it takes time. Ig you watch Brandon's video he goes over all that .Once you learn the route you will be able to anticipate the cab drops. It a learning curve. the safety system is doing what is suppose. If the weather is normal it wouldn't be able but beacuse you are driving in the snow you have to really watch your speed
No, it isn't, cause St. Albans have 60 MPH restriction. First time I've got 40 in that area. Maybe traffic ahead, but the last signal was clear. It turns out that I should also monitor the traffic ahead in order to guess what value the ATC will show me next? Or maybe it’s worth fixing an obvious glitch in the game?
I've done a number of runs in the snow, and the trick seems to be to slow it down, and anticipate speed reductions. There seems to be enough slack in the timetable to allow you to go slower. I've done three or four runs now without locking up in snow.
This service has been previously reported and is logged Here's the cause: service 2813 (far rockaway-Penn) goes off path as he enterers Penn station on north tube. He suppose to go to track 19. I took over AI and you can see is off path and I end up in track 20. The train goes of path around 736am. you can delete the train to finish the service. Incase you not sure how to delete the train here's a video . Hope this helps
Not so much that, I think the trains themselves are fairly easy to drive. But, having normal hearing myself ( apart from the usual age- related decline ) and having no neurological issues, I'm afraid I haven't thought very much about those unfortunate players who suffer from spectrum disorders, tinnitus and other hearing issues and epilepsy. The sharp, urgent- sounding alarms on LIRR and other routes must be very disturbing to some and my heart goes out to them. If volume controls and equalizers don't solve the problem, I'm not sure what the developers can do, other than make these sounds togglable, which would take away a lot of the enjoyment of the route and trains. Again, my sympathies. On a somewhat unrelated issue, it's a problem for me to be pretty much confined to the cab view when driving this route. I usually use a mixture of cameras, both inside and outside the cab when driving trains, including flying around with the " 8 " camera. I'll have to get used to being an actual " train driver " I guess.
But you mentioned heavy snow, that's what i'm saying. The speed limit is exactly that, it doesn't mean you must drive that fast at all times. If the conditions cause ATC auto-braking to fail (cause wheelslip) under heavy load, you need to drive slower. Maybe 50 is the fastest it's safe to go in that situation? I usually the the current date (so may 2nd) but i'll try a run in heavy snow later to see what it's like. Also, if you don't have track monitor turned on, give it a try- it's REALLY helpful for learning the route as it shows you the upcoming track speed limits.
This is exactly what I am dissatisfied with. I would like examples from real life. Does the system behave in a similar way, and if so, what actions are required from a train driver in such a situation? I still want to understand whether this is a bug or a reliable simulation?
There is a lot they can do but it takes time and resources. Maybe in the next route with mandatory safety systems they figure it out.
Indeed. In snow, I aim to be nearer the next ATC speed down. I look out for track speed changes and drop to that speed ahead of time. I arrive to some stations a minute or two late occasionally, but usually manage to finish the run roughly on time (within a minute). So far, that is working for me and I'm still managing to get the platinums. I don't think it is an issue with the systems so much as a need to adapt to the conditions.
Has anyone experienced the game crashing every time you approach Jamaica in Timetable or Scenario Mode? I was doing the "Double Duty" Scenario and the game crashed when approaching Jamaica. Platform: PS4
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/atc-acses-confusion.81144/ did I get it right there? I mean, since I rarely overspeed, I had very few opportunities to deal with actual consequences of overspeeding I didnt realize that both ATC and ACSES dont "just beep and give you penalty", but they actually ACTIVELY enforce stuff / help you (didnt know that ATC automatically starts braking when ITS speed drops, as well as ACSES actively preventing you from going faster than +6 mph over ITS speed limit - I even tried, and at +6 it just locks throttle and applies some brakes, at which I thought Woot )... and since I am part OCD, now I have to know precisely how it works, even though I rarely encounter this kind of stuff lol
Yes actually, the MTA has been having some issues with crimes, included 2 people who took a NY Subway train for a joyride. https://nypost.com/2024/01/04/metro...ra-taking-empty-train-cars-for-brief-joyride/
