Extending Dresden-riesa, But Where To?

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  1. dnv3

    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    Why was this idea rejected if I may ask? /Is it due to performance or lack of time?
     
  2. RobertSchulz

    RobertSchulz Well-Known Member

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    Matt didn't say it was rejected. Only that you shouldn't put expectations in it.

    He said "nothing to report" aka "no plans" and letting input and wishes from the community come in to evaluate a potential remaster/extension for Ruhr Sieg Nord, Dresden Riesa or any other DLC for Train Sim World.
     
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  3. DTG Matt

    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    What was extending Dresden Riesa rejected? It hasn't been rejected. It also hasnt been added to a plan. It's just in the mix that's all.

    Matt.
     
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  4. dnv3

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    Eh 1.sry for the tip error../I mean the expansion from Dresden Hauptbahnhof to Dresden Airport why you didn't actually implement this so I wanted to ask if it has time technical reasons or performance reasons from the game
     
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    daanloman#3930 Well-Known Member

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    Interested to hear what will be chosen to extend it to eventually of if it will be dropped and not extended. in my opinion the Elsterwelda triangle brings the most, extending the s bahn towards Decin (not completely but that direction) as a second. and I'd honestly would like to see the airport and RB 33 or 31 branch. forgot what it's called. I'm also wondering how long until we see anything officially from your Clinchfield project as I suspect a lot of american freight players will love that.
     
  6. DTG Matt

    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    Oh the airport? was originally on the table like Meissen and we laid the track for it etc just like meissen but when it came to measuring progress on the route as it developed the two branches had to be cut to keep schedule (i know nobody wants to hear that but, you asked).

    Matt.
     
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  7. DTG Matt

    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    Wouldn't hold your breath i'm afraid - i've had very little time to work on it so it really hasn't gone very far.

    Matt.
     
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    dnv3 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the answer and yes, don't worry, I understand.
     
  9. daanloman#3930

    daanloman#3930 Well-Known Member

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    ah thanks. as it goes it's released when it's released. more time usually means more dedication. I'm glad devs can work on projects like that one in their own time.
     
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    Does that mean deadlines do exist? Or had DRA already an announcement or even release to come in/at a particular month/date?
     
  11. DTG Matt

    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    Every project has a deadline from the moment it's conceived - no project can have an unlimited dev plan. I have never worked at any company, ever, in my entire career, where work had no deadline, and in every company and in every instance, as development progresses you adjust the feature set accordingly to be able to meet the deadline. That covers national telephony, local government call centers, online banking security, mobile phone ATM topup systems, egovernment systems and countless other software development projects before I got into the video games industry. Or like the time at an Internet Service Provider I worked at fresh out of university, where I had a big mouth and said it ought to be possible to offer private individuals a little bit of their own webspace on our servers as part of their dialup monthly costs and manage it very simply... so they told me the date it all had to be ready by (in meeting #1) and I just had to cut the cloth to fit. DialSpace was quite popular in the end :)

    I frequently "stretch" projects with some extra bits like these branch lines, to allow them to potentially come in - because thinking "ok lets get that scenery in, we have time" is a comparatively easy last minute decision if the time is available, but "should we lay some more track, do some re-signalling, adjust the timetable and put the scenery in?" is a fair bit less likely to happen. As it happens, laying track in the first place, signalling at the time you first do it - is significantly easier than trying to spanner it in at the end of a project.

    If they don't then fit the deadlines in the fullness of time, perhaps because it's taken more time than anticipated to do something to the right quality level etc, then it becomes prudent to trim those extras back out again. But, they were always extras to do if time permitted.

    I know it sucks to see "what might have been" but the alternative is that we stop talking on forums, delete unused track entirely (thus preventing its inclusion later) and just show you the rose tinted version of development. I'm not a fan of that, I want to share the journey with you all because while there's some lows, overall it's a pretty damn exciting process.

    Matt.
     
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    I appreciate the honesty. You did a good choose, Meißen is much prettier, than just a black tunnel to the airport. ;)
     
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    It was the right thing to finish meissen, also in my personal opinion its never too late to add the airport branch as a small dlc.
     
  14. DTG Matt

    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    With the way extensions work - adding the airport branch would mean making a new product eg "Dresden with airport", selling it at full price and probably winding up with death threats in my inbox.

    So, its not high on my priority list, no :)

    Matt.
     
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    Make the Airport and Leipzig Expansion together for Full Price and included the ICE T
     
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  16. all aboard railways

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    100% with u on the ICE T its the real loco that runs on there and is way overdue in TSW i also call for the route to be extended but i want it to be like they did with Train Sim Classic
     
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    I think as the tracks for the airport branch are already in. the route being in TOD4 and no new loco (I don't count layering the 642 as S8 as a new train) selling it for 35 euro's is gonna get some death threats indeed. with a new loco and a short bit of track I'd rather see a "short route price" like niddertalbahn or the goblin/suffragette line. that was I think 30 euro's. but indeed something like the elsterwerda triange that has been suggested is way more area and work and thus in my eyes a justified full route price.

    I understand that of course work for an extension can't be free. but as it's a new concept there should be some more clarity.
    WSR was a new timetable with a lot of layers added, TOD4 and I think a small extension. for free.
    SKA timetable update is I think going to be free when released.
    LIRR was a TOD4, Signal rework, timetable rework, new rolling stock. and an extension of about 20 to 30%+ of the existing track for a full route price.
    unsure about the Cathcart Circle TOD4 that was announced next to a timetable update for the 380. so can't say about that. I'd pay 20 to be honest according to the previous list.
    the airport branch (+10km to the existing 84) with no TOD4 (since it's already there) and maybe a new loco. is to me for 35 a bit much. for 25 I'd buy it immediately because I do really like DRA and it being something different instead of more of the same that the route has makes me want to pay the "short route price" for it but not a full one.

    I get a TOD4 and full timetable rework for a 14km extension plus a new piece of rolling stock is a full route price now. I was against it before but LIRR has really been completely redone including backend like the dispatcher and signalling. as you say adding the 10km of track for "dresden with airport" that was already there for the most part, adding signals and the details plus extending the existing S2. and hopefully the S8. I don't see the full 35 price reason.
     
  18. DTG Matt

    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    That will be a free update to the route same as WSR was.

    There isn't a good reason for it (from customer perspective) - that's kinda my point - the actual reason is that you'd be selling a brand new product which is "dresden to riesa plus meissen and the airport branches" which is absolutely worth 35 - but for an upgrading player, it absolutely is not, and as seen on LIRR - the opportunities for upgrade pricing are limited to non existant.

    Therefore - when considering extensions, keep that in mind. I don't like it at all, but it's the limitations we have to work within when thinking about how to do upgrades that need to go out as paid-for releases. Obviously if it's a free update, it's just done in-place and no problems are seen, as we have seen on WSR and will on Cathcart.

    If practical realities mean you can do a thing, but that thing can't be offered in a palatable way - you just don't do the thing.

    Matt.
     
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  19. DB628

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    Please Listen to us and make it To Leipzig Hbf and included the ICE T for 36€
     
  20. daanloman#3930

    daanloman#3930 Well-Known Member

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    fair that makes sense. I look at it as already owning DRA with Meissen. for a new player it would make sense but as an existing player I would say if the aiport becomes a thing it should be in combination with some other smaller extension like towards pirna. that makes the most sense for the S2. and worth a full route price. as of course as you say just the airport branch without a TOD4 update or a new loco will make a lot of people mad.

    to make the upgrade price for existing players more worth it I'd say personally the loyalty discount should be more than 10%. but I think that indeed it's difficult to put a price on something because existing and new players will pay for some update. TSC I think has cheaper extensions like Riesa to Leipzig to add on to DRA. but that makes if you own both a new Dresden to Leipzig route. thus making the Dresden to Riesa a useless copy of half the route you already own. I am interested to see where the future brings this as reading the threads a lot of people do like the idea of extensions and LIRR V2 although recieved badly at first is in my opinion getting more positive now it's released.
     
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