Need this pack for some 3rd party routes. Does anybody know why it was withdrawn and where to get hold of it? (Assets\RSC\MPScreenDecals04\MPScreenDecals04Assets.ap)
No, they were not tied to any route DLC, I've checked SteamDB.info for that. I wonder why they removed it - it had some Graffiti and damaged concrete floor decals, some routes use them (while working perfectly without though). The New Seaport Line v2.0 (great Workshop route) for example needs them.
It was a marketplace add-on. I've got it. Maybe it violated DTG's policy of only using licenced branding!
Perhaps contract support and ask why it was withdrawn and if there is a way to get it. Sometimes they give out content for free in situations like this - they gave me the original North London Line and South Wales Coastal when I wasn't able to use them and the DLC scenarios for them as I bought the extended version. I can't guarantee it'll work though. I believe there are ways to replace assets, but I am not in the know for that.
Good news. The pack is available now for free. https://www.trainsimcommunity.com/m...-assets/i4709-rsc-advanced-decal-scenery-pack
Cheers for doing that. The good news is, as a former Steam DLC, it is Workshop valid, so use on whatever it is needed for.
With this archived, I do wonder what other withdrawn DLC could be archived as well. My withdrawn DLC thread could become a lot easier to deal with if anything not withdrawn because of licensing could be uploaded. I'd love to see the Class 02 archived and the old GWR steam locos that were withdrawn.
This Decal pack can be distributed because it is not DRM protected. Which would not be valid for Loco DLCs which wouldn't work without a Steam key probably.
I was thinking more along the lines of DTG helping to preserve the packs in question by providing DRM-free versions. It's unlikely to happen, but I think that it would be appreciated by enough people to make it worthwhile (at least in my mind). This especially applies to the IHH catalogue, which has been requested for years.
Is that IHH stuff of quality? I mean I've seen requests for the RSC Class 37 which is fairly useless (and probably without lights and rain) since AP released the ultimate 37 all in one collection.
The IHH stuff isn't great but there is huge variety and a number of things that have never returned like the CoBo, Kestrel and steam crane.
No, quality is comparable and measurable - especially for non-fictional simulation software. Not to be confused with feature-level. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. (I've worked in QA)
If they choose, they could decrypt the loco DLC to make it available, or even give it a price of zero and just make it available on Steam again with no guarantees that it will work properly. The Class 26 says hi. Some Class 82 in there as well.
I had an idea for a free 'legacy content bundle' which would include almost every withdrawn DLC that don't have licensing restrictions, including the IHH content.
I actually like the idea except that most IHH content itself was not on Steam. The 26 never made it over, for instance. I did get copies of the scenarios for it and others, so I could possibly stick a 27 in there, or a reskinned 26 over the 27.
Yeah, but DTG would want a version on Steam because all their content is there. The 27, 45, and other IHH locos already got conversions. The 26 didn't. So that tells you everything I guess we need to know.
What does it tell us - it is not like the 26 had competition from a DTG Product and the 45 was one of only 3 versions released . A 45 with a Headcode box would be better
From what I understand, the IHH versions were absolute pieces of LOVE. I was not around at the time, but I suspect there is a reason several locos never came back.
That is a little cruel. One can pick a hole in anything, but they were fine for their time. But time moves on and people expect more these days - so anything Dovetail releases needs a little work. From what has been released, I get the impression that Dovetail will only release something relevant to a marketed route (probably to justify that extra work), so other models could appear if a suitable route came along. John
Some of the IHH models were good but others were poor. The Class 45 was one of the better ones but the 33 & 73 were poor. The Woodhead 76,77 & 506 were very poor. The dimensions of the Class 506 was too short IHH 506 DTG 506 The IHH version also had Pullman Gangways on the inner ends of the coaches - even though they did not in real life I seem to remember that either the Class 26 or 33 did not have a Cab The power handle of the 73 worked in the wrong direction - but then the RSC Class 33 Loco Brake valve also works the wrong way.
It's puzzling that they got the length of the 506 so wrong. On the other hand, I'd say they got the colour better. Their BR 8P Duke of Gloucester was good for its time and has never been bettered. Their best models tended to be re-released by DTG, usually with some minor improvements to cab or texturing. They live on. Sadly the 8P wasn't re-released.
It was!: Train Simulator: Duchess of Sutherland Loco Add-On on Steam (steampowered.com) . But I guess you would (like me) be looking for the full set - not much hope of that without a classic-era route, and even then I would guess you would only get a handful of names and numbers. John
I am only relaying what others have told me. I have never used any IHH products, Researched something in one or two, that is about it.
Yep. There's also a version in the original Woodhead, but interestingly Netherfield comes with the separate 8F DLC which had been withdraw years before, and is one of the few cases of withdrawn content being brought back. As for why it was withdrawn in the first place beats me, like a number of other ones as well.
Fair point, I need to turn auto-suggestion off too. We never called it "8P" in those days, just "The Duke". If it was off shed, which was pretty unusual! J
If I remember rightly, the 8F 2-8-0 was originally sold as an individual loco, that was withdrawn in line with RSC's apparent policy of not offering locos that didn't have any relevance to a marketed route. A version of the 8F appeared with the first Woodhead route, not the same file names but the same loco - this LMS engine actually had little relevance to the route as it is an LNER line but it was the only steam freight loco available at the time (apart from the S&D one), although the for more appropriate LNER Robinson 2-8-0 soon came along as an extra. The Netherfield route came much later. RSC/Dovetail seemed to have a policy of allowing route developers to add their locos to routes marketed through steam for completeness and the 8F, under its original filenames, re-appeared. This was handy for many, as several liveries had been made available by private developers which didn't work with the Woodhead one. I hope I've got that right. My views on RSC and Dovetail's marketing policies are purely mine and could be wrong. John
So it was a marketing strategy. Interesting. I wonder if that is how the 2P and Saddle Tank, among others, disappeared due to. Would be nice to see some back, especially the RSC 37 and the green livery 101 without the Weardale stamp. Even the old 08 with lots of reskins available and the wagons with the old 66.
That's where my idea for the legacy content bundle would work really well. Lots of these older withdrawn DLCs have little value nowadays as commercial packs, but as something released for compatibility it would be great to see. The saddle tanks were re-released, however as far as I'm aware the files are different. I am not aware if the original pack had any scenarios or extra liveries, but I doubt it. EDIT: Just checked on SteamDB, there were scenarios included in the original pack. The route codes end in 01, 02 and 03, so presumably there were scenarios for each of the Kuju UK routes. Liveries seem to be the same, however. EDIT 2: I found the product page backed up on the Internet Archive. Invincible was also included. The description notes that it has air brakes, and I can't remember whether the Isle of Wight version had them too. If it didn't, that means that it is an exclusive version of the loco that has been lost. There are also five scenarios, at least one of which is for Hedborough North.
You have found some of my own research. Depots show scenarios in all cases. If there is no scenario folder indicated, none are included. Hence I already knew the Saddle Tank had scenarios, while the original Class 66 had twelve.
