Is There A Way To Get Rid Of Black Mountains (black Terrain) In The Near Or Far Distance?

Is there a patch or some way to get rid of the black mountains in the distance and black terrain in the distance on some routes? In winter settings, it's even worse...

I use AP weather but I had this issue in Kuju weather as well. I do not have this issue on every single route but I have it on most of them (I have about 10 routes). I do not use RWEnhancer Pro.

My settings are as followed:
FXAA + 4 x MSAA
Anistropic x4
Scenery quality, density and view distance set at maximal level
Field of view almost at maximal level
Procedural flora on
Adoptive bloom off

 

I remember on Rail-Sim.de there was a number of patches for distant terrain.
https://rail-sim.de/forum/wcf/searc...d=time&sortOrder=DESC&filebaseCategoryIDs[]=*

 

Yes there are but they don't fix the issue and they only "work" for the route they were built for. There are no patches for all routes.

 

Yes but as we have no idea which routes you need patches for, or don't, it is difficult to help.

 

I need them for most of my routes (Gottardbahn from Rivet Games, Freiburg-Basel from PAD, RSSLO routes, Pressnitztalbahn, Karlsruhe-Strasbourg). But either way, the distant terrain patches do not fix the issue, it's something deeper.

 

Just apply AP TimeOfDay and select valid weather blueprints. The manual tells you how to apply it.

AP


There's no reason to not use AP skies. Especially RSSLO routes come with a very dim ToD - swap them!

 

I just copy-pasted AP ToD files to the route files (well the route assets where the ToD files are located) and thought it was enough. I have AP clouds, skies and sun but I guess I kept the weird default Kuju shadows then.

I don't know what else needs to be done, the manual doesn't actually explain how to select valid weather blueprints.

 

Open the scenarios in the editor and double click on the scenario icon. (the 3d one facing you when you open the scenario in the editor) and change to one of the appropriate AP Weather types.

 

The scenarios in the game (route) editor? You mean the Quick Drive scenarios? I'm confused.

 

On whichever scenarios you get the black mountains/distant scenery.

Open the Build editor then the scenarios tab then find the route, expand the route and it will list all the scenarios, click on whichever one is causing the issues.

Once the scenario loads up in the editor you will need to activate APWeather by clicking on the blue icon with the orange arrow (see pic 1) once you've ticked AP/APweather you then need to double click on the scenario 3d icon (see pic 2), double click on it and select the applicable (for that scenario) weather from the AP prefixed ones listed (see pic 3).

Pic 1


Pic 2


Pic 3

 

I get the black mountains issue on all scenarios regardless if they are Quick Drive, Career or Standard mode so it's not a one scenario issue, it's widespread.

It's not working, I can't find the scenario's third icon, there is only one and I can't see any options to modify the weather...

 

3d, as in 3D...not 3rd. it'll be right in front of you when the scenario loads in the editor.

 

pasictarik, do you have RW Tools/TS Tools installed?

 

Yep got it but either way when I click on it nothing happens, there is no weather screen popping up on the right side of the screen.

 

I have both, yes.

 

Then use the scenario editor routine in either to change the weather...might be easier.

 

Just a generic confirmation for science, this is a weather / route configuration issue.
Distant scenery is rendered using just a color, beyond a transition.
Most old weathers include some haze, more or less overriding the color (blue, grey, brown, seasonally dependent).
I first noticed it on Edinburgh-Glasgow. On a clear winter day, distant scenery is black.
I recall Spikee mentioned adding some weather setting to fix it. You could check working routes (e.g. Canadian Mountain Passes) vs the one that doesn't.

Here is an old shot that illustrates both aspects quite well, having just minimal haze. Arguably, artistically okay.


ps.: First pic (in OP) shows that ideally distant scenery should render using its own color, to show snowy peaks in the distance. I don't know whether that's possible.

 

It's no use trying to tweak these old and often bad ToDs. The TimeOfDay files defines the fog start distance and colour, and the weather can override it.

AP have done fantastic work ensuring the same top visual quality on all routes and the WeatherEP is the most important visual enhancement making the game look much more up to date - so just get rid of the (often wrongly having the sun traverse the northern sky on 80% of all DTG routes) old ugly TimeOfDay files - and the clouds look way off by the way. These big blurry clouds hiding behing the smaller ones. I cannot look at these old skies anymore

 

And how do I do that in RW-Tools?

 

If you can't see it then it might be hidden and only a small tab comes out. Make sure you are close to the scenario icon when you double click it, and that it is the one for the scenario you have opened (sometimes there are many of these 3d scenario icons)

 

It's not working no matter what, there is never a weather tab on the right popping up.

 

Then you might be clicking on the wrong icon, or there might be two overlapping each other. Try to move it first, you can also press F6 (F7?) to see the scenario names. Not sure if there is any lock function so that you can't edit the scenario. I do believe that this doesn't work for quick drive scenarios.

 

I am clicking that icon precisely but it's not working. I'm looking to fully apply AP weather (and thus AP shadows and distant scenery) on Qiuck Drive scenarios, not sure why it can't apparently work in these scenarios but it's not like it's working in the route editor either.

 

Are you double clicking it?

 

Some routes use the Kuju ToD. Copy the files in there too.

You should not need to enable the AP weather in QD. It always uses the ToD files.

BACKUP before you do this! ALWAYS have a backup.

 

You won't get that weather option in QD scenarios.
Follow what Kim wrote.

 

I already did that years ago, I still have the same issue.

 

If you did it years ago, and have since updated to AP Weather 2, you might need to do it again.

 

Yes I'm double clicking it, of course.

 

Either way, I will need a video tutorial explaining how to do it properly, I just don't get it now and overall I'm confused.

 

That didn't work either, RW-Tools is not allowing me to modify the weather, it gives me an error message.

 

So what was the message?....come on, work with us!

 

Or I get this BEFORE I manage to get in:

 

I don't think you can add AP weather to QD scenarios like this, if that's what you are trying to do.
You need to copy the ToD files to the route asset folder. Maybe you also need to edit the routeproperties.xml for the route, can't remember right now.

 

Yes adding AP weather to QD scenarios (and ideally always having AP weather for every scenario) is exactly what I'm trying to do. Copying the ToD files to the route asset folder is not enough, I don't know whether editing the routeproperties.xml works but it would probably require a lot of editing. I can try it out tomorrow.

 

I'm confused now, I thought AP weather applies the ToD files to the Kuju files automatically at installation?

Can I ask, where did you get the AP weather from?

 

I bought the AP weather pack last year, how else would I have been able to get the files? I am not aware that ToD files are automatically replaced upon installation, that wasn't the case for me and the AP manual explains how to copy-paste and overwrite ToD files on your own.

 

Firstly don't adopt an attitude with me, that will get you exactly nowhere, secondly I'm just trying to figure out why the installer is not installing the correct files correctly there are other ways of obtaining 3rd party content and more often than not it's incomplete or broken either by poor copying or DRM, not accusing anyone here just trying to get to the bottom of your issue. I can bow out now and leave you to your broken game if you wish, no skin off mine.

 

You asked me a question and I answered. You seemed to imply I got the AP weather pack illegally so I had to respond. If I did, I certainly wouldn't be stupid enough to then ask for help here.

 

I never implied anything, I asked directly how you acquired it that's all.

Trust me, I've been around game related forums for many many years, and you'd be surprised just how many people have asked for assistance only to find out their game copy (or DLC) was pirated, remember I don't know you, you could be the leader of a Russian hacking and pirating syndicate for all I know.

How else do you expect me to eliminate all possible causes of your issue without asking questions? I'm not responsible for peoples sensitivity to those questions.

 

Well my game copy is definitely not pirated and neither is my AP so we can move on. And again, I wouldn't be here asking for help if that was the case.

 

A simple no would suffice.

Anyway I'm out, good luck.

 

Jeez, cool down. pasictarik10 All you need to know is written in the APSWEP manual.

Apply the TOD files to the route. AP compatible weather blueprints used by QD are already installed by the pack to RailSimulatorCore\Weather. These do not require any change to the QD scenario. After a file verification, you need to reinstall the pack of course.

Quoting another post of mine:

Valid weather patterns are the ones starting with "AP..."

Plus these and only these which are core weather patterns and are updated by AP (Kuju\RailSimulatorCore\Weather\) - these are used by QuickDrive

0. Default
1. Clear
2. Cloudy
5. Foggy
9. Foggy Snow
11. Overcast
12. Overcast Rain
15. Overcast Snow
17. Stormy Rain
19. Night Cloudy
20. Night Foggy
22. Night Overcast

 

This is in regards to QD:

No need to edit route properties.

AP pack installs itself into a selection of Brittish routes, the rest you have to do manually.

Copy the four files in the AP “Time Of Day” folder into ALL folders named “Time Of Day” (incl the one in the Kuju folder). IF the files are called something else than the 4 AP Tod files, you will have to rename the AP files to exactly the names that they are replacing.

This is how it’s done. Nothing more nothing less.

 

Then I'm really starting to believe there is no way to modify weather blueprints for QD scenarios to get rid of the black terrain and black mountains because I have copied the four files in the AP “Time Of Day” folder into ALL folders named “Time Of Day” a while ago but it didn't solve this issue. And of course when I did that I also renamed the AP files to exactly the names that they are replacing when they had different names than the 4 AP ToD files. Regardless, I have AP clouds and sun it seems but Kuju skies and distant terrain unless this is how it's supposed to be in Quick Drive anyways and that cannot be modified manually.

 

This is what I have, perhaps I forgot to delete something.

 

The weather is not your problem. As you can see, the AP weather blueprints I mentioned above have the date 2/23/2023, the Kuju ones are from 2015.

You only have to install the AP TimeOfDay folder to the correct asset folder (and rename the seasons if different - check how the original ones are named.)

So for Gotthardbahn:

Copy Assets\AP\WeatherEP\TimeOfDay folder to Assets\RivetGames\Gotthardbahn

That's all. Simple as that. You will now have AP weather in QuickDrive if you disable DynamicClouds.

The APSWEP manual explains which weather patterns are used in quickdrive.

 

I already did all of that AND disabled DynamicClouds. It didn't solve the distant terrain and black mountains issue. Unless you think I should delete something in the screenshot above, maybe that will solve it.

 

No. As said, the appearance has to do with the TimeOfDay blueprints, not the weather. You have done something wrong.

Reinstall the APSWEP. Copy the AP TimeOfDay folder to the Gotthardbahn folder. Nothing more required.

 

I already did that multiple times, I tried so many things.