Train Simulator Classic Core Update Feedback - Dx12 Experimental Build

Microsoft is aware of isolated instances of performance impact to frame rates of some apps that utilize DirectX 9 and is working to resolve this in future Windows Updates.

In the meantime, you can work around this by disabling fullscreen optimization for the affected app, or by running the game in windowed mode. To disable fullscreen optimization:

1. From the Start Menu, right-click the affected app and select More > Open File Location. File Explorer will open to the app’s location.
2. In File Explorer, right-click the app and select Properties.
3. On the Compatibility tab, check the box to Disable fullscreen optimizations.

 

Thanks for that.

 

As usual the normal problem with TSC, Out of memory error.

 

DX12 is still an experimental build.

The error points to corrupt assets. See the KCS Shreveport thread in General Discussions. You need to run LogMate for details on which asset crashed the game.

I have 300+ routes, 800 GB assets (well maintained). No OOMs on v75.8a RailWorks64.exe if you keep your game free from bad 3rd party assets.

 

I find that its worse than the normal 64bit launcher that is more stable when in use. Sadly that's the way it is for me.

 

I use the "normal" DX12 test version (none of the beta patches). I find that when running career mode scenarios with scoring turned off, it ignores signals, speed limits and everything (i e you won't get the AWS sunflower at a restricting signal, no warning on overspeed, no SPAD ends game, etc). Dunno if this is a feature of the DX12 test version or not?

 

Sounds more like a bug. It is only an experimental DX9-on-DX12 version. For normal play, use RailWorks64.exe.

 

The new core update is out. In my view, no one who owns the existing DLC is ever going to buy the 15 scenario pack. Here is my analysis, and it is for once a pretty simple one.

First, let's review owned products (at least in my case). I own the DB BR 411 ICE-T. I also own the DB BR 442 'Talent 2'. Further, I own NEC Washington-Baltimore, Bahnstrecke Riesa-Dresden (I have to Leipzig, in fact), and NWC Crewe-Holyhead. I own
LGV: Marseille-Avignon and Mittenwaldbahn. I even own the PRR GG1 and LNER Peppercorn Class A2 'Blue Peter'. So if I want to fill out the deluxe edition, I literally have to just buy the 15 scenario pack.

There is only one problem. I cannot acquire the 15 scenario pack. See https://steamdb.info/app/2662540/ and click on the "Store" link. You go to the Steam home page, not a separate product page. So this is exclusive to the Deluxe Pack, and you have to buy it in the deluxe pack. (EDIT: Someone mentions below that Jamie already addressed this in the livestream, that it will be independently available later, so this is not as big of an issue.)

There is a new problem arising from this failure of judgment. Whoever makes bundle and pricing decisions - and I'm pretty sure that is NOT Steve Dark - needs to learn how to apply "Complete Your Collection" to these things.



You are seeing that correctly. To get 15 bonus scenartios, I literally have to rebuy every damn piece of DLC I already bought.

This needs to be fixed. No one will buy the deluxe bundle at full price just for scenarios. DTG is shooting itself in the foot dangling this tiny little carrot like this as delaying the release of the scenario pack will actually cost them sales right now. That pack should have been separately available at launch. A slap in the face for dedicated players who own everything else.

 

Maybe they should provide all 15 with the core. If you don’t have the route then they will not run?

 

Not sure if that is sarcasm or not, but I will answer it anyway. All existing owners would get a free 15 scenario pack that cost DTG time to develop and test. That would not work for them. Though it is a good promotional tactic.

"Look here, a carrot. Do you want to use this? We have a route available!"

 

What does this have to do with the DX12 experiment?

 

Jamie said on the live stream that the scenario pack will be available to purchase separately later.

 

Same note about the thread choice.
Jamie just posted that the scenarios will be available separately.
I'm a bit unsure about bundling the A2 with the rest. I mean... it's a carrot to try them. Maybe (with auto fireman) will be my newfound love!
I also think that a "complete your collection" bundle would be nice, although I see the discount being too deep. That said the TS 2016 model where you got them as a bonus on top of the routes, was nice. This offer reminds me of a megapack I purchased for a friend around TS 2016 times, was about 125€ and included so much.

 

He did? I didn't see the livestream. Glad to know that, as this would be a very bad faux pas otherwise. I still think it is better at launch. The main point was the "complete your collection" bit missing more than the scenario pack being available separately. I mean, it's all right if it is bundle-exclusive provided there is a viable discount for completing the collection! Like, 9% per item owned since we're talking about 11 different items...

 

Erm this is the dx12 experimental core thread.

Maybe this thread should be closed? The way i read the developer update, no more work will be done on it.

 

If this is the end of the DX12 development/exploration, before thread closure it would be interesting to hear what the next project will or may be. Has been interesting getting involved and hearing about the project.

 

To be clear, I used this thread as no release thread had been posted yet. I wanted to draw attention to the problem with the way the package is set up, in that it should have perhaps been done as a bundle instead. I have done this task now.

 

From how i read the developer notes, apart from bug fixes, the development on the core has been canceled/given up.

 

[EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]

 

[EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]

 

[EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]

EDIT: Oh, post 260? I replied to someone else who suggested that. I did not make the suggestion, but rather showed why it would not work for DTG.

 

[EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]

 

[EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]

 

Oh I damn well hope not!!

 

WIth the risk of getting a banhammer over my head. Seriously guys! [EDIT - Jan - Language]

 

A bit late to the party fella, I stopped 2 hrs ago hence why I replied with emojis and not more words, so now your guilty of dragging it back in to focus..

 

Where the hell did this come from? Did I miss something last month or so?

 

P.S. Me and Cyclone secretly like each other, just don't tell anyone else..

 

This is news to me.

 

Because it's a secret... Duh.

 

No, 258

 

Confused on how the other half of the post where I asked if it was 260 was quarrelsome, asking how you came to your conclusion.

However, you misread post 258 as well. I was simply pointing out that you can't buy the scenario pack right now unless you are willing to pay full price of the entire Deluxe Bundle for it. I did not say everyone should get it for free as a result. That's a very silly reading.

I have, however, made contact with someone who noted this has also been raised internally (which I already saw mentioned in the public Discord since my post), so it will soon be possible for those missing a few DLC to possibly get a discounted basic or deluxe package. No idea when. For now, those buying the scenario pack only will have to wait for the bundle fix (assuming they own everything else) or the individual pack (if they don't).

 

It is NOT the same as buying everything you already own again. The deluxe edition would cost you 52 dollars, that's about 3.50 for each of the 15 scenarios.
NEC Washington-Baltimore on it's own is 43 dollars, so just add any one of the others you've listed and you'll find that the deluxe edition costs peanuts compared to your entire collection.

 

...based on that post, you would survive the Zombie Apocalypse. Be happy.

Let me explain this a bit more clearly. The package has 11 items in it. It costs $51.99 - we'll round to $52 - for 11 items.

If you own any of the items, normally you can do a "complete your collection" with any bundle and get a discount on the remaining items. Not here. If you own, say, Washington-Baltimore, the other 10 items are still $52. You actually do not get any kind of discount on the package. It's still $52. If you own Washington-Baltimore and, let's say, the GG1, it's 9 items remaining for the fantastic deal of $52. You own all of the routes and just want the trains and scenarios? That will cost $52. You own the trains too and the only thing missing is the scenarios? $52, please.

The point I'm making is that the package is set up so that it will literally not be worth anyone buying unless they own NOTHING in that package. The likelihood of most players - evem casual ones - not owning something in that package is somewhere around 2% (69% of stats are made up, after all) because routes are the thing that most people would buy before locos that drive on them due to the routes needed for scenarios in the first place.

The good news is that this is going to change. For those who don't want to buy all those locos and routes, there will still be the scenario pack in the future by itself. But for those who own it all, there will be a complete my collection thing, and hopefully the discount will be better than the individual price of the scenario pack like it should be in those situations. That remains to be seen.

I'm going to go get ready for the zombies now. Excuse me.

 

Yes...but you're missing what I'm calling you out for!!

Just out of interest, what price would you be happy with for the 15 scenarios as a pack?

 

$15 (same price as AP) lol

 

So if a discount of 9% for each item you already have is applied, Cyclone is expecting to pay about 50 cents for 15 scenarios.

 

Cyclone appears to never be happy! I am just being realistic.
Respectfully

 

Actually...I think it's $11.49 for a 10 scenario pack here. If waiting for a later 50% off sale (or more), that can get to $5.75 or less in my currency. But this is a 15 scenario pack. So $15 might be considered low. If you want me to guess, I'll say it goes up for $17.49 CAD and whatever the equivalent is. Buncle discounts can apply in the package.

Actually, 11 items, I would still owe 50 cents for buying nothing. The 15 scenarios is one of the 11 items. Training Academy and the core game engine itself don't really count.

You're not wrong. There are always ways to make something better. It's just the way my brain works, and unfortunately it makes me come across as an unhappy old man.

 

Can someone from DTG confirm?

 

Waiting for Cyclone or Gary to respond

 

What am I supposed to say?

 

How about totally OFF TOPIC?

 

You want me to say we're totally off topic? Obviously it might be a bit from time to time, but we'll get there. Technically, discussing the new 2024 core is still part of the discussion even though the beta is ended.

But I was asking that question to Kilt. You're excused.

Closer to the topic, I have heard a lot of comments about FPS being better. What about some of the older non-optimized routes? Does San Bernardino on Cajon still load in with a long freeze heading south towards it? Seen freezes on WCML North as well around Carstairs.

 

I'd still like to know how to update the core for an offline and away from steam architecture?

 

Are you asking D12 or in general?
I'm getting regular noticeable stutters on the ECML, which is non-packed.
Basically packing is the important part, in line with my recent suggestion, it should be retroactively done, gradually.
For example, Rascal & Cottonwood loads in 4-5 load screens whereas Soldier Summit takes 1-2.
Trains are similar, I used to get over a second stutters on Köln-Koblenz, I imagine it's the same with US assets relatively, especially in yard quantities.

Not entirely possible as the game actively uses the achievement system.
I guess it's possible to create a fake Steam DLL for old games, not anymore communicating with servers but allowing them to be used. Win7 and Win10 users I assume.
Otherwise, offline mode just works - minor timeouts (loading screen, shop) aside the game is functional. It's one of my go-to options when internet is down.

 

I think Steam has a play offline function, does it not? Things update again once you are back online.

So put the route into an AP file, or do the assets all have to be packaged as well? I'm talking about assets loading as you travel along, not the amount of loading time to load the route.

 

(Me) Talk first, check second.
...\RailWorks\Assets\Kuju\RailsimulatorUS\RailsimulatorUSAssets.ap
Anyway, that's what I meant, yes.
I'm also not entirely wrong because EU and Core isn't packed. Which scenario stutters for you? Every? So if I descend QD from Cajon Summit to SB, I should get a major stutter? Just to check.