Who Thinks Tsw 5 Is Coming This Year?

It may because they manage the stations along the line, which would mean they bear responsibility for everything to do with them.

 

Hello everyone! Always like checking back on here and thanks for all the Interactions and keeping it Civil. 194 say Which I voted as well! and 69 saying No.
Who thinks it is coming?
By looking at the roadmap in my personal opinion it feels like it is coming and we can all say it be a massive shame for it to happen considering the massive mess TSW 4 is in tbh. The only good things about TSW 4 is JT BPO route and Midland Mainline by Skyhook Games! Astonishing. ECML was a load of LOVE tbh, boring, bad scenary, bad section. Rivet games Fife Circle. Absolute Misery, like holy hell! That was bad on another scale.

 

The 194 people who voted "Me", I assume.

No need to revive a thread months after it's death (especially when there's more threads on the subject)

 

It was my thread thank you. I can do as I like. Are their any rules on reviving a thread??

 

[EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]

 

[EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]

 

Thank you, my recent post was not for likes, attention etc. I just wanted to see people's personal opinion from what it would of been in February, I don't want to go through all TSW 5 related posts on the forum when I have my own, yes nothing since Feb but doesn't mean I can't engage with it still.

 

I don't think TSW 5 is happening and why all the talk about it anyways when TSW4 isn't even a year old yet

 

He's not.

Your post he is referring to says this:

Nothing wrong with a little confusion.

Also, didn't have to be so rude.

 

When does the guessing start about what routes will come to TSW5? They are on the roadmap?

 

Could have said the same last year about TSW3…

 

No point talking about it when it’s a year old which would kill the point of the thread

 

Hope Modern GWE era whit IETS, Munich to Stuttgart highspeed route whit ICE4 and Freights, and one Canadian route whit Go Transit. Not bad for TSW5 standar version

 

Probably it will come, and with it my decision to stop supporting tsw entirely.

Not because i dont enjoy tsw, but a new iteration every year would mean "its ok" to leave the old mess behind and jump ahead and break even more content.

Since im not supporting this, i have no reason to purchais the content full price. (If i buy a humble bundle for 1% the full price i really dont care whats working well or whats broken). I can live with the fact my buying cycle is 1 year behind the release schedule.

 

Why would you already say you won't buy TSW5? It's not announced yet, nothing is known about TSW5. Just like "TSW4 was what TSW3 should have been" it all depends what this supposed TSW5 brings to the table. It might be the biggest update we have ever seen or the lamest ever. I'm waiting for the announcement to start complaining or praising TSW5

I remember not being a fan of TSW3 at first. I really didn't care for thunder and that was the main selling point if I remember correctly Lightning everywhere. TSW4 was for me a huge step up for DTG

 

DTG no longer have the license for GWR so there won't be any new GWR rolling stock.

 

What's more, ts2.dbg.StrikeBolt was already present in console commands for TSW2. There was just no built-in thunderstorm weather preset or dynamic weather present in the timetable (but there was an add-on on PC that could make the weather dynamic). Even the last DLC released for TSW2 had some sparks in the route preview. The only real addition seemed to be ToD4 lighting, but then the old routes remained the same, so it also wasn't really a reason to release a completely new version, since only new or upgraded routes received it (so quite similarly like Rush Hour additions were done). On the other hand, the user interface/menus downgraded significantly. I still can't get used to them 2 years later.

It simply feels like "Rush Hour" package a year earlier didn't bring as much profit as expected, so any further big updates switched to the game being re-released as a separate game instead of receiving an update + 3 DLC package, to make people rebuy it, if they want to get fixes and continue playing with new DLCs.

 

I voted for not me. I don´t think that another TSW is coming this year as it´s already a joke (and I wouldn´t like it to be a joke if I was a game designer) Updates, Suspension improvements and the formation designer are all not finished and not forget about the PC Editor! It always starts up with the TSW4 key art, so I think it´s coupled to TSW4.
But on the other hand, there is something big coming...if there is a Dovetail Direct: Train Sim World (and obviously without a number) than it´s TSW5 - sure. But I hope that there is a rush hour 2.0 coming, with a massive game update which improves the game in various aspects! (And also a Railjet/more Austrian stock would be great)

 

I denied TSW4 was happening as TSW3 was barely one year old, look how that turned out. I'm not falling for that again!

 

But what is Rush Hour 2? is Rush Hour improved passengers? TSW4 is what Rush Hour 1 should have been to be honest. What would Rush Hour 2 bring that we have not seen so far? I guess Rush Hour is modern 1 stick EMU's stopping every 2 km. Is everybody really in for more of those?

 

I think a core update similar to the transition between TSW & TSW 2020 would suffice. Repackage some older content for new players but everything remains the same existing players, remasters would go well with this I think.

 

The wish I quoted was out of context in that regard (full quote)

 

I just meant a bundle with 3 routes, I know 2km-stopping is boring

 

Yes, must admit I was kinda suckered in by TSW4. The PR was very slick, lots of "new features ", most of which still haven't arrived.

I ended up not really enjoying any of the bundled routes except an occasional freight run on ECML.

TSW4 was a kind of Catch-22. You can't get Blackpool or LIRR2 without it, but you can't get the core update without the unwanted routes that came with it, even today.

If TSW5 does arrive this Summer, I'll be a lot more skeptical before purchasing.

Of course, to some extent it will depend on the bundled routes, the US offering in particular. But if it's Metrolink 2 ( San Bernardino ), I'll likely do a hard pass.

 

I voted for me although there are still not enough evidence to comfirm that DTG are working on TSW5. Perhaps DTG would cancel the roadmap for August and replace it with a live event, then announce the TSW5 on that event like last year, or they would bring a core update like the transition between TSW & TSW 2020. Who know?
Maybe we can know more when DTG release Roadmap for June, by that time, if that unknown UK route and San Bernardino Line still on the 4-6 months section, they may be saved for TSW5 or a route bundle.

 

I think tsw5 will (unfortunately) come this year

 

do you personally think the items in the 0-3 months section will come to tsw4?

 

Voted earlier for Me. Just asked ChatGPT and said it is probably september 2024.

 

which makes sense since the items in the 0-3 months section of the roadmap have a deadline of august

 

Excellent informative and accurate summary! Are you trying to become a DTG Ambassador with your own YouTube channel?

If so you would be the only Ambassador channel I would subscribe to and avidly watch.

Absolutely spot on! For a year we got fantastical tales about the TSW2 updates being worked on and nearly ready to go. Next we were lied to about them being all finished and just waiting a suitable release slot. Finally we got the excuses (that stank like a leaking sewage plant) about how the fixes/patches were NEVER going to be released.

For many that was the point they stopped being customers of DTG and stayed with TSW2. It is generally accepted as the smoothest running of all versions of the franchise with the later versions having poorer performance and INCREASED pauses and stutters, failings that would normally be a death blow to a simulator claiming to be realistic.

DTG only survive because they have (had?) a near monopoly on the niche market of railway sims and that gave them the opportunity for the yearly version cynical cash grab that has been so unpopular.

Hmm...

 

Other than the fact it is next door to the AVL, I could honestly see the San Bernadino Line being pushed back to be the keynote US route in TSW5 (or the summer bundle). For Germany and the UK who knows (who cares?!) but it's going to have to be something totally iconic, preferably not electrified and giving a reasonable running distance. Actually for Germany can I plant the thought the TSW5 route might well be incorporating the DB 218 rather than that ending up as a separate DLC. And thinking about it, for the UK, given the radio silence on the Class 104, maybe the UK route will be PFR extended to Derby and Manchester with DTG having bought out the DMU to include on the refreshed route.

 

I think that if tsw5 really comes this year, the san bernardino line will be included as the US route of the package of three tsw5 routes, the uk route f̶r̶o̶m̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶t̶r̶a̶i̶n̶s̶ as the uk route and the german route could be an existing one but extended (just like they did with SEHS in tsw3)

 

i dont think the uk route from just trains will be part of the summer bundle as its from a thrid party

 

My mistake, the UK route in the 4-6 months section is from DTG itself and not from just trains so yes, it can be used in the tsw5 standard package

 

Exactly!!!

 

There was a report from Focus/Pullup shared here recently that more or less confirmed a new game every year. There was a section about amortisation period of games and it used Train Sim World as the example for “Games released every year”. It may not be a smoking gun but it is a good indicator of what might be…

 

if that’s not a smoking gun from the jockey themselves, I don’t know what is

 

Well, I think they will come to TSW4 and DTG would announce the release time of these items on roadmap for June unless they face some develop issue or they want to push back the release date for a higher quality. I believe we can see all these content release no later than August.
If all these items eventually come with TSW5, some players would get angry.

 

Nice find. An (un)official confirmation

 

But what if it's just a free core update and a rebrand to TSW 5 / TSW 2024 or something? Like everyone just get's an update, but they still re-release it as "new" title? Not impossible and I don't see why poeple would be angry about that.

 

Because if that's all it was then the parent company wouldn't be amortising the cost over a 12 month period.

 

Sorry been at work so finding it hard to keep upto date But I couldn’t tell if your comment was Sarcasm but feels like it. It was just a quick type up. Thanks for your input.

 

It seems like a no brainer for me that something new is coming. Just look at the last roadmaps and you can see that there is missing something in it, first the 6+ months, the 4-6 months category probably soon with June's Roadmap. DTG wouldn't drop these categories if nothing would happen. Wouldn't really make sense.

The question is, What is Dovetail Games willing to do to make the consumer receiving it better than TSW4?

My best advice would be if DTG is going to detach the DLCs and sells the upgrade on its own for less price (maybe inferior or equal to 10€/$/£)

Another question of course is what new features could make a TSW5 as attracting to be purchased by costumers. And after the release of TSW4 this will be even more challenging than with TSW4.

Just based upon my eyes on the progress of suspension improvements, being still not 100% in game 8 months after release, I don't expect much.

And exactly this is the vital problem for me. TSW5? No problem. But just TSW4 with minor improvements to gameplay (maybe some I don't care much about) and then maybe only applied to routes/rolling stock post-TSW5 (just like with TOD4 to TSW4-only routes and suspension improvements to TSW4-only vehicles), I guess I would feel not encouraged enough to even buy the upgrade.

If DTG does not hit the nail with it and they suddenly get dozens of disappointed costumers back on the boat, the aftermaths maybe could mean the end of the entire franchise Train Sim World, maybe not Dovetail Games as they could create a completely new one with no bad reputation attached and maybe keep the development of TSC on running, but just the end of Train Sim World, if it is done badly.

 

that's why I think they should proceed with more caution, give the tsw franchise games greater longevity (two years per game would be reasonable for me) focus on bug fixes and quality dlcs (as was the case with suffragrette line) take more time when announcing new features (such as suspension improvements) and release new tsw games with really new and innovative features

 

If we want to be technical, TS(C) has been re-released every year since the yearly upgrades started happening. - Same product, same files, etc., but re-released in promotional terms.

The only exception to this really came in TSW2, with Rush Hour - which never claimed to be a new iteration of the game, just an add-on bundle (which the annual re-releases are, but they aren't treated as such.)

That could be a dead rubber if focus regard TSC/TSW 20×× to be re-releases or not, and could just as easily point to a future of TSW4 having re-releases under different banners every year (or, alternatively, TSW5 acting as a reset as "Train Sim World". Idk.)

 

Yeah i'm leaning heavily towards a TSW5/TSW2025 announcement.

The calendar is very quiet, indeed.

I just think it's inevitable tbh- hopefully it will at least deliver on TSW4's suspension upgrade that never really materialized lol.

 

but the suspension improvements were announced as a new feature for tsw4, If this only comes in tsw5 (probably announced as a new feature for it) it will literally be "pay for a new game to have a feature announced for the previous game"

 

I mean i think it's not great, but they also have a track record on these things.

Maybe they'll surprise us?

 

This is true for the promotional side of both games. They get a reboot each year but TSW does have separate iterations that TSC does not. I suppose both approaches for TSW would have equal accounting methodology and whether it is the same core game iteration or a new one that requires a new purchase it will have the same kind of promotion behind it too.

Apart from any technical reasons for the need for new game each year I don’t know if it is just much easier to promote a new game release than a DLC bundle with upgrades for an existing one in the markets that TSW has different to TSC, the consoles, and I’m fairly sure they can’t easily rename an existing game on those platforms. For new game releases I really don’t like the process of downloading everything again and I’m sure all the repackaging of all the content is a real headache for DTG too, plus the folks at Playstation don’t like a new game coming out with 100 plus DLC being released for it at the same time. For those reasons alone I reckon DTG would much prefer a model like TSC on the technical side but maybe it doesn’t work from a promotional side within the rules some of the platforms dictate. Just guessing here. Both approaches seem to have some downsides.

One potential advantage a new game has (for me at least) is that if a new game comes out and some update in the core breaks something in one of my old routes, the older version is still available to play unbroken in the old game, whereas it would just be broken completely if the core update that broke it was just a core update and not a new title with a separate download. I’d just be stuck with the broken version. With more and more legacy DLC, that may well become an issue more often. I still have TSW2 and TSW3 installed with all the DLC despite having TSW4. I’ve not had to use them yet but it is a genuine concern I have. Currently, players may like to play GWE without the stripes on the platforms and there are backups without that issue in the older TSW titles if they still have them. If TSW had only ever received free updates then there would be no version of GWE available without that ugly bug. That may sound like a little thing but it is something I think about.

 

I can't believe they would do that. I mean in a real sense haven't we already paid for some features like improved suspension by buying TSW4.

If it comes with TSW5 they will have to find a way to make it available for those who stick with TSW4.

As far as the actual gaming value of enhanced suspension is concerned, my experience tells me to toggle it out of my game even if it becomes widely available. Don't like it. Makes me dizzy.