PC Why Aren't Trains That Actually Run On Route Not Available In-game?

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  1. phil8715

    phil8715 Member

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    Why for example can I not drive the HST from Penzance on West Cornwall Local? I'm often told that DLC's are set in a certain period.

    West Cornwall Local is based in the mid to late 80's, HST's were in operation on the route at that time.

    Why should I have to Spawn a train and set the route to allow me to drive an HST for example? Given how much DLC's cost I would expect any loco or unit to work on any route if they worked on that route in real life.
     
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  2. TrackingTrains

    TrackingTrains Well-Known Member

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    It's just because Rivet didn't get it layered on. That could be due to various reasons and I don't know specifics. For example, maybe it could be the livery at the time was not the current GWR one and they didn't want to make the livery for the prototypical one so didn't bother including it as it wouldn't be realistic.
     
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  3. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    neither of the hsts would be realistic. The appropriate for wcl would require it to be built from scratch and rivet don't create more than 1 piece of rolling stock. They use all their resources on one that creating another would only take longer. The gwr hst isn't the correct livery and not the correct engines. The emt one is also not suitable for the route
     
  4. Bravo2six

    Bravo2six Well-Known Member

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    WCL is a bit of a wierd route. I suspect it was fully intended to be a modern route, but with the expiry of the GWR licence, it was backdated to 1991 ( I think). Hence the odd mismatch of loco hauled services. If an original HST appeared, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a new/ amended timetable appear for the route.
     
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  5. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Many routes sadly are bereft of a full spectrum of rolling stock, due to DTG’s policy of one new train (if you’re lucky) in a £30 route DLC. Germany fares better than the UK in that respect than the UK, though routes like the JT Blackpool to Ormskirk do better due to the time period such that the BR Classic stuff can layer in alongside the “modern” Pacer.

    But WCL is such a walking train wreck of a route anyway, it would take more than a Paxman Valenta HST to salvage it from the dumpster.
     
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    IsambardKingdomBrunel Well-Known Member

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    operator#7940 Well-Known Member

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    I know it's not what you want to hear but... there's this thing called "Free Roam" and another thing called "Scenario Creator." That's what I do when there's nothing built into the route. Oakville for example doesn't have any commuter stuff and it IS there irl, so I designed a route.
    Could use better liveries, but I'm not that talented....
     
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  8. pveezy

    pveezy Well-Known Member

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    You answered your own question. The route is set in the 80s. There is no 80s version of the HST in the game. The only ones in game are the GWR and EMT versions that are from the modern era. Neither would fit into the time period for the route.
     
  9. Bravo2six

    Bravo2six Well-Known Member

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    I believe it's actually the early 90s for the WCL
     
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  10. operator#7940

    operator#7940 Well-Known Member

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    Was there an HST on that route in the 1990s?
    I honestly have no clue.
     
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    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    They did the long distance London-Penzance runs, which carried over to GWR days.
     
  12. Jpantera

    Jpantera Well-Known Member

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    Yes, most Intercity services in the early 90s were HSTs some were 47s on Air Conditioned coaches. The early 90s Rivet version is awful to be honest and only worth a go if severely reduced and there isn't paint drying somewhere.
     
  13. operator#7940

    operator#7940 Well-Known Member

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    I've played a few scenarios on it. It's not the worst map, but it's kinda meh. The worst part for me is the northern branch to St Ives. That should be BEAUTIFUL going by the pictures I've seen of the place. It's even worse at night...some nightmare of a vision by fake moonlight.
    I'd ask why they never added Falmouth or used that as a terminus, or added the Blackpool quarries that are a couple hundred meters north of the line, but I've been informed that's just something Rivet does (or doesn't do anyway)
    Hoping they support the Fife Circle better.
    So far that looks a LOT better than WCL.
     
  14. DTG Matt

    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    Equally there are no 90's HST's in the game. You still need Valenta engines, different nose shape, cab changes, coach changes, totally different coach interiors etc.

    If you don't mind a modern GWR MTU HST running on the route - you have scenario planner and free roam to let you live the dream. Community feedback tells me this would not go down well if we put it in service mode though because it would look... odd, and quite out of place.

    Matt.
     
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  15. Task

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    Which is a whole other thing: please make an old route with a HST. That would be quite cool.
     
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  16. razmatus#2517

    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    Free Roam though has a number of experience-breaking bugs - lets say when it comes to German/Austrian routes that have neutral sections, in Free Roam they dont work properly with most locos, even though in timetable mode that functionality works just fine - it is cos the thing that makes neutral sections register in locos/trains (that should trip if you dont open MCB in time) bugs out in Free Roam
     
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  17. operator#7940

    operator#7940 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, itt's not perfect by ANY means. That's why they are working on improving that.
    However, it has to suffice sometimes when we don't have exactly what we want in the game.
    Can't please everybody.
    That one though is pretty big... has it been reported on Free Roam feedback thread?
     
  18. DTG Matt

    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    Can you outline some steps for me t o reproduce the issue in our dev build? We have a bunch of changes where most things are looking fixed so I can give that a test while we're here.

    Matt.
     
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  19. razmatus#2517

    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    sounds promising :)
     

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