Is It Worth Getting Tsc When You Already Have Tsw ?

So I have already bought a whole lot of DLS/Add-ons for TSW already. Which up to total probably cost me around more than 1000-2500 HKD (i am from hong kong). Lately I feel like TSW can't satisfy me enough in terms of desirable tractions and all.

I have seen the prices for the base of TSC for me at least seems affordable. However what I most want to aim for (at least when i am typing this) are Class 90 + mk3 and DVT and the entirety of the WCML, plus maybe a some additional rolling stock that maybe cost me more (mainly the mk3 to mk5 hauled trains like Class 43 and Class 91 etc). On steam price i can maybe still afford however when it comes to the enhancement packs which i seem to see A LOT of people have bought (and what it seems necessary for a better driving experience) it could cost me up to 1000 HKD (or about 100 pounds) or even more due to how expensive they are. And with the addition of how packed my laptop is right now i am unsure is it a good investment to invest in TSC and its add-ons while also supporting TSW and its add-ons as well (whenever they release desirable trains that i wanted).

so would it be worth it if i invest in TSC and the relevant DLCs or should i just save my money for future TSW DLC releases?

 

If you shop right you can get an older TSxx for only a few dollars, and then upgrade for free to TS 2024.

 

Yes. If you want longer routes, more countries, decent steam traction, decent classic diesel action, a route and scenario editor that is useable without a degree in UE4 jargon. Go for it.

 

I have bought a massive amount of content for TSC which l rarely play these days as I prefer TSW as it loads in a minute. TSC takes six minutes to get into the game, because l have loads of content and live in a slow internet area.

You can go to different countries in TSC and l love the heritage routes which there are an abundant amount compared to only West Somerset in TSW. I love the fact that you can walk around and explore as well as choose to be a passenger or guard in TSW. Out of the two, l prefer TSW.

What upsets me about TSW is everytime there is a new edition l have to reinstall all my content which takes ages, on TSC you don’t have to do that.

The choice is yours everyone’s opinion will be different!!!

 

I just got TSC 2024 been playing for about a week ..i have been playing TSW games on console.while i enjoy TSW ..I wanted to play TSC mainly for the longer USA routes and classic locomotives ..i ve already bought B&O mountain sub enjoying that ,got Cajon ,West Palm to Miami,Soldier Summit,NS mon line and N line , UP granger KC to Topeka ,plan on getting more of the US stuff , ive noticed while playing TSC vs TSW3 and 4 the graphics for TSC not as good as TSW and more choppy and stuttery but still enjoying being able to play longer US routes and classic power that TSW dont have as much of.

 

It does seem rather strange that TSC continues to receive a multitude of US (and Canadian) freight routes, yet DTG seem unable to overcome the brick wall they claim to have hit with TSW…

 

It‘s well worth giving TSC a go. It doesn’t look as pretty as TSW (though I could argue the lighting is a lot better). With enhancement packs it still looks very good and some enhancement packs make things better in my opinion ( for example AP Signals and AP Weather).

It can all get pretty expensive though. My policy has pretty much been waiting for sales. Over the past 14 years I‘ve picked up a lot and because of the variety of stock I now have, I definitely prefer it to TSW.

Opinions vary though. It’s an old game. I‘d recommend searching some of the key selling sites and finding an old version. As someone else said, it will upgrade to the latest.

You could even try the subscription for a month to see if you like it (though I personally don’t support the subscription service. Better to get an old version cheaper that you can keep.)

 

Worth it all day long buddy. Far more flexibility in game play, unless all you want to do in a train sim is collect gingerbread men and walk about aimlessly. As i said in the other forum, the ECML is complete from ATS, there is also a missing link section of the WCML and the Preston - Glasgow - Edinburgh section available in separate merges. The world is your lobster in TSC, just need plenty of money to realise the dream. Money far better spent on TSC than TSW in MY OPINION, just in case 390000000001 shows up.

 

How does a slow Internet connection affect Gameplay - You don't need to be online to play.

 

Yes l know but downloading content is extremely slow and add ons take over an hour. Playing offline the game takes over 6 minutes to load because l have purchased about 95% of content. I have everything on TSW and it only takes a minute to load.

 

All third party though I think. Don't think DTG have produced anything in house since Tehachapi.

 

The core overhaul has reduced loading times significantly...

TS Classic ist a modding game. If you buy the base game and play the vanilla routes with vanilla rolling stock: yes, TSW is better. But once you start getting into modding and third party, TS Classic ist king for me.

Just two examples: buy the AP enhancement (Weather, Track and so) and run an AP vehicle along a route or buy a Virtual railroads expert line train and run it along one of the "revamped" German routes from Railsim. It´s a different world.
I accept the fact that many prefer the "plug and play" experience of TSW.... but some people want to go deeper down the rabbit hole and move over to TS Classic after a while.

 

I just checked. You have it for less than 3$ / 2 UK Pounds. Of course I can not look in to you wallet but perhaps just get it, is almost for free.

 

I have a lot of TSW DLCs however I still play TSC 100% of the time. I find TSC much more immersive. TSW feels like an arcade game.

 

Two or three years ago, I would have said that TSW had the potential to overtake TSC in terms of content and gameplay.

Today, however, TSW is a pale imitation of what it promised in the early days. In terms of content, TSC is way ahead. With steam, diesel and freight, more US content, longer routes and a workable editor, it more than makes up for any deficits in graphics and gameplay.

 

Well the third parties seem to be succeeding where DTG fear to tread, unless of course they are taking a more blasé approach to licensing and permissions.

 

Its also worth noting a lot of DTG's "In house" work are outsourced projects. A lot of US locos that are from DTG are actually made under contract by Reppo (The AC44, the SD9043MAC, the GP60, the GP40-2 pack etc......)

I believe their route builders were also outsourced contractors as well.

And alot of retro 3rd party US locos are made by DTM, and well. His stuff isn't very good quality wise....

 

So how does this, getting old version to get a free upgrade to the latest TSC version? (and why cant TSW do that, wouldve been nice to do so).

agreed. There are places where TSW has correctly updated from TSC, however terms of traction wise not a lot compared to TSC, unsure why that is though apart from devlopment time is short or just pure laziness doing the least possible (i mean jesus look at how mnay times the class 66 has been reused give us a class 56, 73, or even a 68 please-).

 

It's the DTG loco. I believe it was the first loco they made, when they were still a 2nd party dev for Kuju RailSimulator. The RSDL Class 66 was then overhauled for RailWorks and featured in five DLC packs and numerous routes.

It's been reused in reality also

 

Not sure what you mean by "reused"
If you think a 66 is like a 56, 68 or 73 then you need a new set of glasses

 

After this no more going off topic. But what i meant as gameplay of selection wise, it would be nice to see more different modern freight locos, class 56 (or 69), class 68 (also forgot to mentiont the class 70) are few of them (pretty sure both hauls freight either way). As for the class 73... well mainly its a shame we never got it because it could be really useful and match well when hauling for the pretty pointless DLC that is the rail head treatment train which also used the class 66. Couldve given us a new loco. (At least in TSC, i am unsure as is there a Rail Head Treatment train model around, but if so at least it gives us a chance to actually swap around different locos instead of being stuck with a class 66).

 

This is exactly what you can get from TSC.
Steam is starter content to get the grips of how this sim works. The compromise being, most models are hobby level. Also cheap.
Then, if you are hooked, you can dive into additional content, available either free or at a cost. Community can help.
Just like with any hobby. You can take photos and videos with your phone, your fancy phone, or buy a camera.

 

Forget TSW. 99% of the stuff in its Suggestions forum is available in TSC. To have all this in TSW, take a break from it and give it a try in 2034 again maybe.

I did play play a RHTT service recently, not sure atm where it was from, maybe a JustTrains pack. (The Class 20 Advanced pack I think)

 

You should check your facts before complaining what we don't have

Class 56, 68, 70 and 73 have been round for some years now and a RHTT train is available from Just Trains.

 

He's referring to that Train "Sim" "World" console game.

 

So why is he complaining on this forum?

 

Have a little pity with that poor TSW plagued soul.

Showing interest in TSC is the first step of the healing process.

 

I was mentioning about TSW about class 66 being the constantly reused. And again to clafiy i was talking about TSW not TSC. Sorry if that confused you.

 

It was confusing that you are complaining about TSW on the TSC Forum.

 

Can somebody explain how this works?

 

According to the big list that i have, while a lot of stuff was outsourced there were still a lot of it done by people inside the company. (just to give an idea - but not all the stuff i worked on routes after Tehachapi - I mean for Tehachapi - I did the ONE / Hamburg Süd / Hapag Lloyd versions in my own time) - The bits in the brackets were to show that people did work on the routes inside the company even if there were OS too.

• So - Strasbourg - Karlsruhe Route Add-On (I did the wires and some scenery on that route - others worked on that too)
• Chatham Main Line: London Victoria & Blackfriars - Dover & Ramsgate Route (I did a fair bit, as did others - and technically own the Faversham to Herne Bay / Dover Track - just track, I mean could probably argue the Thameslink bit around Blackfriars too - but i think leaving that aside)
• Bahnstrecke Leipzig - Riesa Route Extension (wires were on me)
  
• Long Island Rail Road (I did scenery - I think mostly around Atlantic Terminal towards just before Jamacia)
• Huddersfield Line (scenery in places and OHLE - well with the assets that i had)
• Pegnitztalbahn - (I did some scenery and also bits of OHLE - and also merged it but the latter doesn't count as DTG )
• One unannounced cancelled route that i can't talk about (and no don't PM me and ask me about it, i won't tell you )

 

Go to a key selling site such as CDkeys or Instant Gaming. Search for train simulator. Buy the cheapest version available and you will receive a Steam Key. Redeem the key in Steam and you will get the latest version of TSC and the routes from the version you bought (but you won’t get the routes from the current package).

Some people try to discourage use of these sites but I‘ve used both of the above and they‘ve been fine. I always use PayPal so if something did go wrong I can claim my money back.

Read the descriptions on the key site carefully to make sure you know what you are getting!

 

Thanks for the detailed list Danny, a bit of poor word choice on my part, I meant Tehachapi was the last US freight route produced in house.

 

I've also used both of those sites in the past with no issues. You'll also sometimes find they have sales on some add ons outside of the usual Steam sale periods as well.

 

I know you can't say what the route was, but would you be willing to say roughly when it was in development? Was it a recent route or something from a few years ago?

The community is aware of several cancelled loco DLCs for TS, like the East Coast Class 91 (which did release years later as a free update), Anglia Class 321 and TSW Class 50, but I've never known about cancelled routes, although I did assume there would be a few.

To expand on a previous message:

Train Simulator was released in 2009, but is based on Rail Simulator, which was released in 2007 by EA and is still available to buy on Origin. However, RailSim is not relevant to this. Every version of RailWorks/Train Simulator has the same Steam ID, that being 24010. Every yearly update to TS has not been a new game, but rather a change in the bundle that TS is included in. You cannot buy Train Simulator on its own, as it would include no content whatsoever. Therefore, every release includes DLC with your purchase, and each yearly change swaps out the included DLC. TS2014 came with Train Simulator plus London to Faversham, Donner Pass, Hamburg to Hannover, the US Loco and Asset Pack and the ICE 2. TS2017 came with Train Simulator with several different route DLCs instead. When outside sellers are given codes for TS to sell, it will be one of those bundles, and that bundle is set in stone. A code for TS2017 will forever be one for TS2017, at least regarding the contents included in it. As a result, you could claim a TS2017 code, get its DLC, but as the core is the same, you will get the current version of TS. Owners of RailWorks on day one will have the current core because it updates every time, for everybody.

Because TS releases are considered by Steam to be bundle packages, even if you already own TS you can claim multiple versions of TS to get the included routes. Some have taken that to an extreme level, such as myself - I own almost every release of TS that has ever released in one form or another, either physically or digitally. While I like collecting them (I'm only missing TS2012, 2013, 2017 and 2024, although as I have all of the content in these releases there is no tangible reason to get them). You can get cheap DLC using this method. On key reseller sites make sure to use PayPal though, just in case the key doesn't work and you need a refund. I've used the Humble store to get some of the ones that I didn't have and that went well, although there's less available now than there were. I even went as far as buying a sealed copy of RailWorks (roughly £20) to get the three discontinued routes that were included with it. Branded versions of packs can be acquired in the same way, including the Virgin Class 221 in TS2018 and the Arriva 175 in 2017 and 18.

This paragraph is mostly just trivia now, so consider my summary of the system to be over. There are some oddities in the TS bundles that are worth noting. When TS2015 was released, all players were given the Class 801 for free. This was achieved by adding the Class 801 DLC to every prior version of TS, including RailWorks. This amusingly means that your Steam library would show a DLC being added to your account up to five years before it actually released. For example, my Class 801 DLC was added in December 2013. It also means it is technically the DLC that lasted the longest as part of TS' base content, albeit only by technicality. The Class 801 pack is the spiritual successor to the Hitachi Super Express, which used to be included with TS2012. However, unlike seemingly every other DLC included in a yearly release, it was actually removed from the bundles, meaning that unless you claimed the code while it was still in the bundle it is no longer possible to obtain it, even with a TS2012 code. If you did claim it, you'll still have it, as Steam does not allow packages to be removed from your library, with some exceptions. Luckily one of my friends actually has the pack and at some point I'd like to preserve it, with permission from Dovetail of course.

 

A new route, not based on anything old, and I can't say anything sadly. (anything unannounced)

 

Isn't the class 801 now bundled with the ECMLS: London -Peterborough add-on?

 

It was added to the ECMLS package alongside TS2015's release, but was included in the base TS2015 pack as well.

 

Doomotron explained in detail.
To shorten it up - there is only one Train Simulator Classic. Every now and then it gets updates.
Regardless of which title you buy, you get this latest version. (There is also a beta and you can download old versions.)
Specific titles like TSC 2024 (or Rail Subscription) are really just content bundles.
Big discount, take it if you fancy - most do, so they're the most active content on workshop.
Many packages supply the core license. Here is a list of them - you can buy the ones with a globe, or find a key.

 

I'd say it definitely is worth getting TSC even if you have TSW.
They both have pros and cons but the biggest pros for TSC are route length and choice, traction availability, enhancements to default stock, weather, signals etc.

I started with TSW2020 5 years ago on PS4 and when I was able to purchase a semi-decent spec PC, I bought TSC (or whichever iteration it was then).
I play both depending on what I'm in the mood for. For short stints, TSW, for long stints it has to be TSC.

 

So what is it that you feel needs preserving about it, if it is still available?

 

I was talking about preserving the Hitachi Super Express, not the 801. Two very different packs.

 

I know instant gaming, I have brought a couple DLCs for TSW from there.
Anyhow, what did you meant by that? I am a bit confused on that part.

So is it something to what i am doing with buying DLCs for TSW on instant gaming? Where i bought old versions of a DLC as in say a class 20 DLC for TVR. I brought a TSW2 version but cuz older DLC will still be usable for the latest TSW version, hence why i can still use it? Is it a similar logic here with buying different TSC version? Though at the same time I somewhat get the gist of it. While still confused at how it works I believe it is. No matter what version of TSC you buy, in the end you WILL get the latest version for free. (Btw how does it show on steam if after i bought an older TSC version as a steam code?).

 

If you buy a TS2017 key, you'll get Train Simulator, but with the TS2017 routes. They mean that you won't get the routes included in TS right now, those being Mittenwald, NWC, Riesa to Dresden and Washington to Baltimore. LGV is included in both the current version of TS and in TS2017, for context.

It isn't like the different versions of TSW at all. TSW1, 2, 3 and 4 are each separate games, each with their own unique Steam IDs. TS has always been the same game, so a RailWorks key includes the same game as a TSC2024 key. What is different is DLC included in the package, which changes with each release. RailWorks includes eight routes, which are different to the five included in the latest version of TS. Because TS is formatted as the game with DLC included, you can 'stack' multiple versions of TS together, if that makes sense. For example, if you bought TSC2024 right now, you'd get TS and the routes, obviously. Then, if you tried to claim a TS2014 key, Steam would say you won't get another copy of Train Simulator (the software) but you can claim it anyway to get London to Faversham and the other routes. Effectively, this makes past and present versions of TS cheap bundles for people wanting to expand their collections.

While the Class 20 comparison is fair, it's not completely accurate. Other than a few cases where TS DLC has superseded other DLCs, such as the updated version of North Wales Coastal being given to owners of the original yet remaining as separate DLCs, the multiple versions of the same DLC or base game does not happen with TS.



Above are three screenshots from SteamDB showing three different bundles that include TS - despite the different contents of the packages, TSC2024 (software) is consistent between them.

You may also notice that a route pack, the Pacific Surfliner, is also there. Certain routes actually include TS with them, and can be very cheap ways to get into it. These routes include the Pacific Surfliner, West Somerset Railway, New York to New Haven, South London Network, The Holiday Express and Game of Gnomes Christmas routes (last year Game of Gnomes was made free in December, so if you haven't got TS by the end of the year keep an eye out for the Christmas routes, as I wouldn't be surprised if DTG made them free again), ECML South and The Count of Monster Disco. The holiday routes in particular can go for very little money, so they're a great way in to TS.

 

So from this, i can pretty much get every version if i want to (ofc after i bought one i would already get the TSC game itself just from a purchase) the stacking so you called i think its after i get the different version, i will get the routes that comes with said version of TSC for reduce price compared to if i bought them solely (sorry if thats confuse wordings)?
And i'd imagine the process you get for the redeeming a steam key of an old version of TSC, say this is my first purchase, I will immediately get the latest/current version of TSC am i understanding this correctly?

 

Basically yes, but you wouldn't get the new routes that come with the TS Classic 2024 bundle - but you would get the Academy included though.

 

The problem is that the majority of the audience is not into modding and third party. In particular, third party (looking at ATS and even AP these days, though this is not necessarily a bad thing) does not benefit DTG at all because they get none of the publisher income. It's pretty much killed off TSC as a going concern for DTG as TSW gets all of the attention, and a little for the new tram simulator (which seems to have a feature to add your own routes to its map)..

 

Give it a rest with the AP and ATS bashing it’s getting silly from you now. The likes of AP and ATS is what has kept TCS going for so long. Without them I doubt the sim would have the player base it has today. Also why would 3rd party developers give DTG any income from content THEY have made.

 

I mean some could argue that with out DTG they wouldn't have a business? (i'm not taking sides there - just pointing out that with out a game, there wouldn't even be AP or ATS, so if DTG decided to take it off sale then what would happen (i mean not that they would do that i would assume)? )

(Just playing devil's advocate - my opinions are my own here, and both AP and ATS have done a lot of good stuff )

 

If DTG pulled it from sale that wouldn’t have an effect on 3rd party current owners would still be able to use the sim and buy content.