Late august is the usual I believe for that kinda thing, not the roadmap more of an event/announcement/24 hour live stream one year.
Hopefully all items from the 0-3 months section of the roadmap will come to tsw4 before the release of tsw5
I don't have a problem with it, If it's to become the norm I'd just like the option to turn it off/it's own separate sound slider. Simple.
Me neither. I have Spotify playing very quietly in the background sometimes, not too loud though, just enough so it’s not overpowering the game sounds. As you mentioned, giving the option to turn off the game music that is forced upon the player should be the norm. It keeps everyone happy.
From all that last roadmaps offers (DE content), I believe we will see progress and maybe gameplay video of TSG’s Expert DB BR 1o1 and it’s cabcar. My expectation to release date is at the very end of July (they saw how good the BR 218 was selling so they’l full throtle to finish another great DLC, at same price as BR 218 - 17.99€) Another exciting news expected about mysterious new German Route and new loco annouced from last roadmaps! I’m really looking forward to this roadmap, as far as I remember it should be published on 9th of July.
Hopefully Alex back at the helm. The 218 preview stream was utter garbage, I hope TSG were not too disappointed with how little selling the amazing features was, instead we get dad jokes and barely audible Harry. I imagine July will be some firm details on the Class 158 and the 380 only. The rest will get rolled to August when consensus seems to be that TSW5 will be announced for release early September.
Tsg did say in the roadmap the expert 101 would be priced higher than normal because it's an expert version
Well, the first two should appear around July 15th. The 158 and 101 will likely release in early to mid August. San Bernardino and the UK and German parts of the Summer bundle will probably launch in mid to late September. Let's hope these dates are firmed up in the Roadmap.
I hope we get an update on the 3rd party side. I'm expecially keen to find out what Simtracks German loco DLC is. But I don't think we'll know about it until they release their British DMU. Maybe we'll see the introduction of a new 3rd party?
JD is on the stream, a rare event these days, so it must be to announce something special………or opportunity for a leak or two
Im afraid its true. The last time JD was in a livestream (except community events and previews) was in the Tsw 4 announcement stream. At this point im not sure we wont get Tsw 5. Anyway there is still hope its not Tsw 5 but a new bundle for August or September. We will see.
I reckon we’ll find out when the Class 380 and the Cathcart Circle remaster will be coming out plus more about Skyhook’s Scotrail Class 158. Might also be hints of a summer bundle for TSW 4.
Or maaaaaybe it's because Alex is on leave, Harry is too new for the RM and Jan maybe has other responsibilities? I don't think you should read to much into the fact who hosts the stream.
I'm still hoping Reppo comes along for TSW, I know he was trying to figure out the editor awhile ago, TSW needs a good dedicated US loco maker.
Given the almost total news blackout and the (apparently) bored presentation of the 218 in the official stream, can the cynic in me wonder if the July roadmap will be, “Well that’s it for TSW folks, we’re now getting ready to announce our all new train sim project. Takes the best of TSW, TSC, Run 8, SimRail and all the other games into a super sim which once you’ve seen it, won’t want to play anything else.”
We can't have silly season starting without a leak. It's the perfect moment to get JD back on the roadmap
Other great dlc definetly! But for18Euros no chance..., my guess is, the price will be around 29.00 Euro. Not the same price as a route, but way more complex than a standard loco dlc. Also the cabCar is new and the trainset incl. Coaches is all advanced. (No way this will be sold for 18 Euros , but probably many will complain without seeing the fact we get basicly a full functional train with valves and faults, probably modeled pneumatic rack.
It will all depend on what route it will feature on. If it ain't TOD4 every price is too expensive for me
I share this feeling more and more. Lifespan of active development of Railworks was from 2009 to 2014, since then, only small, maintenance-level updates were coming out. TSW is here since 2017 and recent updates are smaller and smaller as well. And it is clear that the codebase is becoming very difficult to carry forward, with more and more basic things breaking down with every new addon. That does not mean TSW is necessarily going to die anytime soon, but with onboarding of many 3rd party devs, DTG can focus on other things. It would surprise me if some sort of "TS3" wasn't already being developed at the moment. It would likely mean incompatibility with TSW addons, but maybe we could once again get much more complex and expert game than previously, in return? Something the original TSW:CSX was promising.
JD for prime minister. I don’t want a Labour government, I want a government full of leaks and dry humour.
It wouldn't surprise me either, maybe using a different engine. For example, with Simrail (Unity) I get no noticeable tile stutter (or any kind of other stutter tbh), but with TSW (Unreal) I get a lot of it, especially with the later routes. Maybe Unreal isn't particularly suited to train simming? Not knocking TSW at all , but maybe a different engine would've worked better. Who knows.
Indeed. As we were discussing in another thread, something as simple as not being able to calculate the route mileage to an objective point rather than the direct distance could be a limitation of UE. Only having one save slot and the failure to fix outstanding issues with the current solo save, smacks of a game engine limitation, not that anyone from DTG ever comes on to admit that. People going off on the sick, a lacklustre preview of one of the best add ons for some time all seems to point to a certain amount of corporate angst or discontent that may (or may not of course) point to changes in the pipeline.
Unreal (but to some degree Unity and most other modern engines made for human character games) is made to truthfully reproduce small-scale, room-sized environments with tiny details. It is absolutely horrible choice for a train simulator, where the dashboard blocks your view on nearest 5-10 meters. What really matters in train simulators is how the scenery looks in relatively narrow cone from your position, to next 1200 meters. But TSW starts dropping LODs like 50 and 100 meters away from you, because that is where the engine designers planned basically 2D background to be, that player never touches. (Simrail achieved it somewhat with Unity, but it's not really greatest performance either, if you max out the view distance.) But, it looks amazing on static screenshots. And screenshots sell.
Thats the whole point and comparison games like Zusi or SimRail with TSW is comparison with apples and pears! They have all the issue with stutter and points where pc has to think about the next work load
at least the discussion isn't being "if we change TSW to UE5 all the problems will disappear like magic"
Well we can probably say what they won't be... Nothing that involves GWR or their predecessor companies. Nothing that involves Cross Country. Nothing that involves Freightliner. Won't be anything from the steam era. So far as we know, the embargo on Southern third rail routes is still in place. Probably won't be anything Welsh. Probably won't be anything Northern Ireland. Probably won't be anything from the Isle of Man. Could be something that reuses a recent train release as a layer, which brings the 700, 710 and forthcoming 380 into the frame.
I would love to see more northern operator routes in the game and also it's a shame they don't have cross county licence as would love to see the 220 in there. I wish a third party developer would also take on longer uk routes which are true end to end. Maybe that's too much to ask but still.
I suppose they could get round the "no third rail", by doing a period Oxted Lines from Oxted to East Grinstead and Uckfield, throwing in Eridge to Tunbridge Wells on top, Thumper Heaven! Or Tonbridge to Hastings with Class 201/202/203 units so the only third rail would be cosmetic at either end of the route. But the chances of that seem remote, with DTG in house now seemingly fixated on modern post 2000 stuff. Alternately part of the SW main line west of Basingstoke towards Salisbury and Exeter, having bought in the SHG 158 to use as a base for a 159 (though I would prefer a Class 50 and Class 205 on the stoppers).
I'm not going to lie, I would love to see tsw with ray tracing but today I realize that the game would literally become unplayable
UK releases for TSW2 had mostly been 3rd or 4th rail routes within London or south of it. For TSW3, DTG stated that they wanted to go further north, so we got routes like Glossop Line and Birmingham Cross City, with very little of London and the south (except for the Suffragette Line/GOBLIN, but that is not third rail). Whether or not they wish to continue like this remains to be seen.
A sensible thing DTG have done so that the UK network can be more representative. Well that was the theory, instead they have changed to OHL commuter routes which are nearly as bad as the South East and their various flavours of foul electrostars.
It's striking how the focus of TSW has continued to narrow. Back in September 2022, with Cajon Pass and SOS being released, there was still every expectation that the future would embrace all types of traction: steam, diesel and electric, with more freight routes to come, including US freight dlc. In the space of less than 2 years, all that we can look forward to is a continuous conveyor belt of simple, toy-like electric commuter trains and routes. How to explain this? Is it just market forces, demographics, Focus/Pull up policy? I can't believe that the few railway enthusiasts left in Chatham can be happy about this. Those players who have no memory or interest in the golden ages of rail before the year 2000 will be happy with this narrow focus. But what can the rest of us do? Place our trainsim future in the hands of 3rd parties who have a rickety track record so far? Or wait for other Sims to reach a level of maturity which seems unlikely to happen or is a very distant possibility at this moment in time? There is TSC of course, but I can only play that game occasionally, spoiled as I am by the graphics and real world gameplay features of TSW. If the next Roadmap simply confirms my worst fears, I will have to subsist on a diet of aging dlc from the early, heady days of SPG, NTP and similar fare. Regards from a not too happy camper.
I was definitely getting fed up of third rail. Class 375/377/387 all drive the same. The 465/9 was the highlight.
Please don’t! OldVern ’s comments are one of the few reasons I tune in daily, otherwise not much going on here to entertain or divert, and unhappily very little to be excited about regarding the future of TSW.
Don't shoot the messenger! As already explained DTG decided after SEHS, BML etc. to put South East England third rail on hiatus. Of course what we then got was a succession of AC electrified routes all mostly with modern traction too. I certainly wouldn't object to that decision being overturned providing it brought in something different and maybe from an earlier era too (thinking SUB's, EPB's, VEP's, CIG's, REP's etc.).
Ooh that’s too retro and way too complex to drive for the ADD Tik-Tok crowd (at least two handles!). Probably wouldn’t sell as well as another ultra-modern one-handled plastic box, so best not risk it. /irony Oh DTG, wherefore hast thou forsaken thy vision? Amongst the usual crowd of older enthusiasts I saw a bunch of youngsters drooling over a class 20 and a class 37 at the recent NYMR diesel gala, so apparently 1st gen traction is back in vogue!
Just really hope the upcoming roadmap has some kind of excitement - I've always really looked forward to the TSW roadmaps, however it's been mostly dull overall in recent months. In the older days of the roadmaps it seemed much more exciting as there were always loads of things to look forward too - now everything is just too vague.
