Can DTG just please move to the TSC model of releasing a new route bundle under a new name but keep it the same "game". Sick and tired of downloading the same dlc's every year with more and more community members leaving. I really enjoy this game and want it to thrive. Think about your support base rather than a quick cash grab
Round 607 of the next iteration discussions has begun (it will be even more fun when it’s actually announced, might need some popcorn ) Same discussion every year, it’s not going to happen it’s a take it as it is or theirs the door, no option c.
This seems to be one of the best possible ways to make most people happy. Edit: Most likely wont happen
I would be fine when there´s a new game in two years or so but now it´s really too early with TSW4 feeling like the perfect TSW version so far
so dont buy the next version if they do a TSW 5 you are not forced to. If you are happy with what you have just keep that and enjoy it,
Bad response, what if I wanna get the new DLC but not the base game ones? It seems silly to force the consumer to buy a new game just to do that when its almost the same exact game. And again more and more community members will just leave if this keeps happening. I want this game to thrive not lose more with every unnessecary release. Ofcourse im not forced to buy it but it's still not fun? This isnt justified at all
How is it a bad response are you forced to buy it do they hold your hands down on a desk demanding you buy it ??? No they don’t you want it you buy it you don’t buy it you don’t have access to any new features or content they will make exclusive to the next version. just because you don’t agree with my comment does not make it a bad response
reasonable question, however companies like money and don’t want to offer an alternative where they get less.
Hate the common response of 'ugh they're not holding you at gunpoint and forcing you to buy it, go away and never return if you hate the game so much', We want the game to be good, this is all in our best interest! Like they are saying the more times DTG pulls this move the more people will leave and we'll all be worse off from that.
As someone who only enjoys UK routes, I don't want to keep buying routes from other countries, even if they are a base route. Why should I spend money on something that doesn't interest me? TSW4 I only got for ECML (and BPO when it released a couple of months later), but I had to buy the DRA and AVL to access it. I still do buy them, but I really don't like doing so.
i fail to see your point. So you only want to buy uk routes. But you dont want to keep buying routes from other countries. Well dont buy them then. you did not have to buy the DRA and AVL to access it you bought the base game which is the SAME PRICE as buying one route. So the 2 routes you claim you bought you actually got for free by buying TSW 4.
I still paid for them. The money that went towards the base game included them, so how did I get them for free? Anyway, I don't want them at all, free or not. That's my point.
So just dont install them problem solved. Base game with the 3 routes normal price £29,99 price of a uk route now £29,99 includes the 3 routes above. so you get 2 routes free good job they are routes you dont want.
What about the other problems like huge download sizes and the bad publicity? like yeah its a good deal for 3 routes but then it doesnt have to be a "new" game does it? just make a rush hour bundle or something and rebrand it with a new number for marketing purposes but dont make us buy a new game to keep up with new DLC and features
Its a bad response cause it doesnt actually adress any of my points just that DTG isnt holding a gun to my head which like yeah obviously they arent but its still dumb I have to buy a new game if i wanna keep up with new DLC. What if i wanna get the new DLC but none of the new base routes?
again they are not making you do anything you as a customer have a choice. Do you walk into a shop and buy one of everything of the shelf or can you walk out the shop without making a purchase ???? Huge download well you have the option to install it in stages if you want you dont HAVE TO download it all in one go.
then you would not be paying DTG more dosh (cash for clarity) but less, it’s not surprising that they won’t want to reform their business to help you with that.
The obvious solution would be to make TSW 5 free but introduce a route bundle with the three core routes as a paid option for those who want it.
It’s not a solution for DTG, as it is people pay for that, under that way they don’t, it’s again a way at not paying, not something a business is going to back.
How it wouldn't be a solution if the DLC's would still sell? The rush hour routes I believe did well sales wise even though the core update was free.
Remember that the yearly cycle pushes TSW to the front of the stores on consoles. You really have to game those stores with new versions and sales to get the attention of new players. Yearly releases just have better marketing value than only DLC which doesn't get any attention on those stores.
I dont know why its so hard for you to get this concept. I as a consumer would like to buy more DLC's. but to get those new ones i have to buy the exact same game for no reason. Yes i can choose not to buy it but they can also CHOOSE not to sell me a whole new game just so i can get dlc for the game i already have. Its not fun for the consumers. And yes i could download in stages but I shouldnt have to, which is my point. If you're just gonna bootlick a corporation on my thread than I kindly ask you to leave
Then it's up to DTG to market the game better if that is even the case. American Truck Simulator doesn't have yearly releases yet did very well sales wise. Assetto Corsa Competizione wasn't a yearly release but sold rather well.
From those I only own Assetto corsa because it was free. Played it once and removed it from my SSD. If AC ever wants me to take a look again at their game they will need to release a new version. American Truck simulator I don't even know.
I enjoy tsw, but decided to not support it anymore. Skipped maintalbahn, skipped lirr 2.0, skipped fife circle and will skip the 380. (Sry dtg / rivet enough is enough).
I think this is a big factor. There are also many people who will buy a new game but won’t ever buy DLC. These two things alone would explain why a new release is required to keep TSW as a going concern. It must be significant because I’m sure repackaging all the old DLC for the new version is a big undertaking and as much of a pain to DTG as it is to us downloading and installing it all. There may be other factors too but I think it is mainly a marketing and revenue thing. For the game to survive new players are definitely required.
because they are as it stands guaranteed sold for every iteration purchase, they come with it and you can’t get other newer dlc without it. changing that means people are giving an option not to pay for them and skip past them, or in other words you can now not buy them with advantages unless the solution provides more income for DTG than they currently make, it won’t be accepted, they would be crazy to take lesser option. I didn’t say it wasn’t customer friendly, it more is, but customer friendly costs money in this case. Costing money is not developer friendly. still selling is not as good of an option, they are guaranteed selling as it stands, the proposal makes that more an optional sell not a guaranteed. Edit: more people own the core routes than regular dlc, that is a lot because they have to, if it was optional that wouldn’t be as high I.e. not sold as much (same as regular routes maybe with more pizazz as they often get more attention, but changing this kinda system to the above proposal means they probably would get less attention as they are not going to sell as much, again same as a regular route.) the above proposal would also have negative repercussions on loco dlc, they are definitely going to sell more of them on routes what people own more of (the core routes) changing them to be more like regular routes as the proposal does takes away that advantage to.
lol, this reminds me of these "spend 100 bucks on LOVE and get free shipping" you see while buying stuff online. I'd rather, and do pay for shipping and avoid e-waste I won't touch anyway.
A possible solution for the OP is just wait until the base game goes on sale. DTG are really good at sales and bundle sales. If you are on a PC you can then pick and choose which DLC, that you own a license for, to install/uninstall. I only keep installed what DLC(s) I'm currently using, for example I've currently got the Scotrail DLCs installed (waiting for Cathcart Remaster/380), SEHS, MML, and GOBLIN. If DTG keep bringing out core patches in batches (lol) then maybe they are not planning on a TSW5+ just yet- iirc the core patches, along with new features, that came with the new iteration were something most of us wanted...
If you do not agree with the approach of DTG, you just need to wait for the sale. I only play German content, but I am happy to get free routes of UK and USA, which eventually I may play one day. TSW3 I liked the route and I bought it full price. TSW4 not so much, so I waited for the sales. The only thing that really really bothers me is to have to download all the DLCs. They should fix that somehow.
Its a workaround that shouldnt exist. How can you justify this? what benefit does it give the consumer that i have to buy the exact same game again just to continue getting the DLC i actually want. Please tell me in what way this helps the costumer and not just the pockets of higher ups and investors
DTG is only going to shoot itself in the foot at one point... Releasing the "same" (Yes I know there are changes) game every year for the sake of : "Hey here's something all-new that you can buy for 35€) At one point the normal fan base (Like the people on the forums) will just simply stop buying it. But I've heard that more and more people plays Train Sim World even if they don't really have an interest for trains. I know two people who plays the game because it's "relaxing" and because the game look nice. The subscription model introduced for TSC is certainly going to be ported to TSW with these kinds of players in mind. One of the two people I know played the game because it's now on the Xbox game pass. I'm pretty sure that a small subscription will interest others players like him even if they will not play the game a lot. If DTG do start an optional subscription system for TSW it may go the same way as TSC in term of yearly releases (Just a "Train Sim World" game, no 4;5;6;7;...). We will see... But I think we need to keep in mind that We the forums's users are only a minor part of the playerbase
You have answered your own question. It's a business based on profit! Ignore the fact that you feel close to the dev team via the forum input and weekly YouTube videos, so you feel a personal connection. It is first and foremost, a business. One that's sole purpose is to generate revenue and benefit the company and its shareholders. If a new game per year equals a bigger influx of cash, then that's what any sane business model would be set on. Do I think we need TSW5, no i believe they need to deliver on what was promised at release and to get all routes up to TOD4, but then I'm not a shareholder or owner. On the flip side, I very much doubt many companies would give free revamps like DTG have with WSR and now Cathcart. If it was a cash grab, they would surely monetise that. Honestly, I could see revamps of existing routes to TOD4, new timetables and new loco's being done quite often now. I would also expect that those locos may retail for a few pounds more than usual, if they want to keep the updated routes free. One pays for the other.....anyway, that's off topic. As above, it's a business and it's sole purpose is profit, as is every single one on the planet.
As another example EA does the same, in fact they charge £34.99 for their big DlC’s for one game (Sims 4) that does include tax and store take however likewise with TSW. If they are pricey and you wanna pick them up, waiting for sales is the only alternative in the business/capitalist world. To be honest I don’t think train hobbies have ever been cheap, look at model railways
Those "new" features are barely anything. Months later and we still dont have a functioning editor, steam improvements or suspension. Half the promised TSW4 features arent even here and the rest are so basic I dont even care. You dont have to state my own point back to me. I know a corporation is here to make money. Just hope they find a way to do it without ripping me off every year with a rerelease of the same game just so I can buy more DLC. I dont know what you dont understand how shitty this feels for a customer. Yeah it might help the future of this sim but they barely do anything for their loyal paying customer. The only free updates we've recieved are from passionate devs in their free time. Not from this shitty corporation. I wish I could support the hard working devs in a way were I didnt feel like I get ripped off every summer. [EDIT - Jan - Insulting] but please understand that this just sucks for us. TSC functioned for decades without it, having a much better system and actually still being liked by the community. TSW is becoming a joke thanks to the constant releases and empty promises Also no need to fix my grammar. Not a native english speaker and also not important to the conversation.
Alot of games have pricey DLC but also free updates from time to time. TSW gets a free update every blue moon
Yet they still make money off of dlc's regardless. DLC's are TSW's main source of revenue. I don't get why there are people here that act like if DTG didn't charge for yearly releases, they would go out of business or their employees would be homeless. By that logic, DTG should've gone out of business during pre tsw days because the tsc core updates were free. The devs who make American Truck Simulator should also be homeless and go out of business since they don't have paid yearly updates
The base routes are DLC. If you look on the steam store and wanted to buy them individually, they are listed as a Add-on/DLC
But if you purchase the core sim ie TSW 4 standard edition deluxe or platnium you get them as standard.
Well we don't even know if the summer core update will be a paid update. But let's say for the arguments sake that it is. There is no justification for a yearly release but that won't stop some here to defend what would clearly be an anit consumer practice. TSW isn't the only game where you will have some defend anti consumer practices. The argument that DTG will go out of business if they didn't have paid yearly updates or the game wouldn't do well sales wise is just nonsense. Rush Hour did very well and having TSW on gamepass is another way to attract new players. It's up to DTG to advertise the game to attract new players. Games like ATS are not yearly paid updates and is a popular game. That being said, if there is going to be a paid core update, you can just wait for a sale. That's what I did when TSW 4 was announced. I only paid $10 for the game. A better solution would just be to have a bundle of new routes sold separately. I'd bet they would sell like hotcakes like rush hour did but if that doesn't happen, then just wait for a sale
I always find it interesting when TSW is compared to the worst of the worst, the most hated companies there is when it comes to gaming, and not great games from great companies who listens to their players, like SCS with their ETS2, "for an example".
Exactly and this is why these TSW 5 posts are pointless because until ANYTHING is confirmed by DTG direct then nothing is confirmed
Well yes but that doesn't change the fact they are DLC. The base game comes with the Trainning Center and if you get the standard edition, it comes with 3 addons/DLC. It has always been that way ever since I played TSC/TSW
which makes zero sence as they come with the base came regardless of what version you buy with regards to the rotues. They are not even backwards comptabile onto TSW 3 which is what i suspected may be the case but nope.
