On yesterday's road map, when I looked at a picture at Glasgow Queen Street with the 158. I did notice a sneaky leak, which was the hst. It would be unusual to see something that hasn't been out.
Definitely a sneaky shot lol. I assume it'll be the Inter7city services, and maybe in the ex-FGW livery
Not a 'leak' per say... but it's either just a Layer for the new timetable (you can tell its the GWR version), or a placeholder for a ScotRail HST DLC which could come later.
I think the new loco will be something new and not a train that has always been in TSW such as the GWR HST shown in the picture. Not a leak.
Normally I'd say people are reading too much into things, although I have to admit I did raise an eyebrow at that screenshot. The developers know we love to over analyse things, and that power car isn't exactly hard to spot so they must have known we'd notice it. If it was a ScotRail HST though that would presumably mean we'd either be getting yet another new Scottish route or an extension of Fife Circle up to Dundee- Edinburgh to Markinch isn't a very satisfying run in an HST.
Think you will find its one of the AI only services using an ex GWR power car and set. It is a Joe "The GOAT of the TSW Timetable" timetable.
All the ScotRail HSTs are former GWR HSTs and when transferred to Scotland they ran in service in the old blue GWR colours for months while waiting refurbishment.
Does Joe touch 3rd Party timetables? They mentioned a tease in the 158 photos, and normally a hst layer on a timetable isn't their idea of a tease, so that wording alone is unusal enough to be a suggestion the I7C hst is coming
Most definitely a HST there is no denying that... I don't believe for a second this is one of the new locos due for release or to be announced next month though... I think this is going to be either a surprise in the upcoming timetable that comes along with the upcoming 158 to pad the route/timetable more using a 6 car GWR HST as a 'substitute' (as Rivet had left Glasgow to Edinburgh practically dead). Or it will be a future add on by Skyhook, who would make a ScotRail HST which would bring the route to life even more. Time will tell though! All we can agree for now is it's a HST...
If I remember correctly the HST services on Birmingham Cross City were a surprise, kept quiet until very near release so I wouldn't be surprised if this is something similar. If it adds variety im all for it.
As I said in another thread, not the first time DTG have spun a glorified reskin as “new” traction and the acolytes of course rush to defend the rather loose marketing.
The thing is, it is supply and demand. If it proves popular with people, then having modified existing locos coming as DLC, will continue to sell... And that's not necessarily a bad thing, for me personally. For example the variations of 37 in the game are different. A ROG 37 is completely different to that on Tees Valley for example. So HSTs aren't any different in that regard... I often see whinging about the lack of sub classes or variations of units or locos. So this would be a positive move going forwards that could quite possibly open up similar add ons for other routes Let's say hypothetically DTG or whatever developer does create a ScotRail HST, and modified it to the overhauled condition, updated the cab with the minor differences for ScotRail, updated the interior to ScotRail and done a whole reskin with ScotRail, is that just selling the 'same old loco'? No it isn't quite honestly. Time and work has gone into it and I'd like to think quite a few players see it that way too. If it's just a plain reskin with unmodified feautures, then I'd agree. But to modify the HST and Mk3s thoroughly I genuinely think its worth the money for the work thats gone into it. There are many variations of the HST and ScotRails is no different... Just to edit, and put in, I'd happily pay for a ScotRail HST and any similar content. To see the Edinburgh to Glasgow route being utilised is good news as it has SO much potential that Rivet never bothered with.
Yes but to me once you sit in the cab, a 37 is pretty much a 37, a HST is pretty much a HST. going to sound more or less the same. So, whichever you cut it, IMHO (and I respect the views of those who feel otherwise) still a glorified reskin. "New" loco should define a type of traction that hasn't been same in game before. So a Class 56 or 60 is a new loco. A Class 108 or 156 would be new, DMU not loco of course. Another HST or 37 variation is not necessarily new. The exception to that might be something like a 37/9 which uses a different engine or a Class 57 which outwardly is a Class 47 but fitted with a GM prime mover to replace the Sulzer and various other design differences.
Totally respect what you're saying, I just politely disagree. I think it can be classified as 'new' if it has different feautures then an original release. (For example the Class 37s or the difference between the GWR HST and the MML HST) For me personally, being a railway enthusiast outside of TSW, I'm a bit of a nerd and can tell the difference between subclasses, overhauled condition, original spec, of locomotive/units etc... So I really appreciate an eye for detail in TSW in that regard. I think if it's a case of preference, the player has the option to buy or not to buy said add ons. But I'd like to think the majority of players also have an eye for detail and appreciate such things and would purchase them and encourage nice little addons and developments to existing stock. Anyway that's my two pence piece as the saying goes!
The interior would need redone as well as the doors being replaced with electric sliding ones. But do agree it wouldn’t be a new loco….as much as I’d like it. Agree either a new route or rework of fife circle to go to Dundee or Edinburgh to Glasgow extended up to Stirling & Perth, neither all that realistic I’d say.
Eh the only HST I'd be excited for now is a Valenta powerplant in IC Executive or Swallow, with the buffers. Either that or the Flying Banana. They ain't gonna open the van door so another, for what would essentially be a copy, can basically get in the bin.
I agree, for instance as a railfan as well I can tell the difference between a 37/0 and a 37/4, sound, visual and the differences in the cab.
Trust me there are no playable HST services on Cathcart. The HST does not appear in the the playable loco list. If this GWR HST is still in the timetable then it most definitely is AI only. Hentis
eep my bad then. Lol. I thought it was Glaagow Central. Could be feasible that it's been added. But think we will have to wait and see.
I'd hope so.. we need a new freight loco much more than we do another HST, as great as they are. But with the ever-expanding ScotRail fleet in game, I won't be surprised if this does end up being the new loco add-on to be honest...
Yes - please!! We could use the 68s on freight workings.. even if they do end up being in ScotRail livery only, anything would be better than a 66 at this point...!
Could easily include a DRS livery too https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxo3ULYX8QE5IUwO3T8EpO7OOwZLFagJa3?si=Cf-TUiP8xuW78oJA
Don't forget TransPennine Express (prior to them being replaced) or Chiltern Railways (both subject to licensing).
Well yeah, but if for whatever reason only a ScotRail liveried variant was included - I'd still be happy to use that on freight. On second thought, the ScotRail 68s DID go on some freight workings, so it wouldn't be inaccurate, it would just be a rare thing in reality;
Could just as equally be a loco DLC for one of the upcoming routes, either the UK route already in the roadmap or the UK route presumably included in the Dovetail Direct / TSW5 announcement.
They hauled nuclear stuff for the nuke plants didn't they? And some other random stuff. I'd be okay if the 68 was just in Scottish colors. Still looks pretty neat. I've only seen one video of one running, but man did it purr like a kitten! Reminds me of the F-125 from Metrolink. Same concept, but different cab and builder of course.
I think Rivet is making this loco. They posted WIP pictures of this loco on April fools day and quickly deleted it.
Tell me you are joking. I mean it would look lovely, but doubt it would sound anywhere near as nice as they do in real life.
THAT"S why it sounds so familiar. It IS the same Caterpillar engine in the Class 68 that's used in the F125. So they do sound almost identical. It wouldn't be impossible to just use that sound that's already in the game given it's the same engine. The output is throttled back about 20% in the Class 68 for emissions standards I think and because the standard was 100 mph not 125 mph it didn't need as much power and it's quite a bit lighter, less fuel, etc. Otherwise they're the same engine and it's a VERY similar platform. Same tractive effort for example. The bodies were designed by the same builder. Similar length, similar beight, F125 is a bit wider because it doesn't have to fit the UK tunnel gauge. But for sounds they should be VERY similar, and to my untrained ear they sound close.
Rivet Games have the DRS licence, so you will probably get both liveries. Remember the DRS class 66 reskin they did last year, or whenever it was?
This picture was posted on Facebook on April fools, but obviously judging by the modeling (even though it was a WIP), and the date as well it was obviously a joke and I don’t reckon it was posted by Rivet. To be honest, Rivet are really good at modeling trains but the sounds are atrocious. I think it was done for Roblox or something ?
