Can we please talk about the brakes of the n-Wagen again? I've noticed it when they released with BRO for the first time, then with the LFR ones too and also with the BR218 now. The brakes are way too powerful. Everything below 4.5Bar pressure just brakes as hard as a car, really. Am I the only one noticing it? I've felt such a difference when driving the BR218 lately together with the dostos and then another run with the n-Wagen. Its a shame as I actually love them but the brakes being that strong kind of lower the overall enjoyment. An even bigger shame as I love the BR110 too.
I’ve been wondering about this, too. The DoStos feel about right when you use realistice braking techniques but the n-Wagen seem to brake excessively hard. That’s my impression, at least.
Feelings are not all. I got told the days back when i made the BRO n-Wagen that they were way to weak on the brakes and then i adjusted it to what they thought is right. That is what we have now. My researches on that also say its about right. Those cans do brake like anchors.
From personal experience, I can sign that. Years ago when they were in widespread use here, some drivers really showed a quite "hands-on" approach to braking, especially when delayed. The later you brake, the longer you're fast, so to say Never had quite the same experience in a Dosto. I would argue it's quite right as it is now. It just feels unusually strong because most of the other vehicles ingame tend to brake much softer. And you CAN brake softly with the n-Wagen, once you get a feel for the brakes.
Hey Maik, I remember that when BRO released. but, and I don‘t wanna offend you in any way, drive the BRO 110 with the n-Wagen up to 140kph and then do a full service braking. I just cannot believe that that is realistic. I‘ve heard that the n-Wagens can brake quite good, but I think how it is now really is too much. But I never noticed that they were once weaker, or was that before the release?
Fair enough then. I just thought that way since they really do slow down very fast when doing the normal 1bar reduction brake application. If that is correct though, then I'm happy. I suppose they're not unlike the 628, which I've read was also known for having a lot of bite to their brakes.
I agree 100%, sometimes they braked so hard that you were thrown out of your seat if you weren't careful. Coupled with the unforgettable and deafening squeal and the accompanying smell of the brakes, n-Wagen / Silberlinge are and will remain unforgotten after decades of use.
Hehe, yes, the 628's brakes are pretty juicy as well, especially considering its weight. When I was going to school, our local route only had 628 and 218 with n-Wagen. Sometimes the trains were quite packed during rush hours, so we often had to stand. Every oncoming stop was fun for us lightweight kids I kinda miss both the 628 and the n-Wagen. Nice comfy seats, warm in winter, openable windows in the summer... and very reliable (except perhaps for the n-Wagen's doors) Nowadays it's a monotony of LINT's here.
Yes, I do remember the 628s well. Been travelling on them between Rastatt and Gaggenau in the early nineties, before the line got electrified... Also V160s+nWagen were a common sight.
So to sum it up, the n-Wagen brakes in TSW are pretty realistic, huh? If so, I'm sorry for ranting here. But I just have to honestly say that I cannot comprehend a train braking as hard as it does. But I've never (consciously) ridden in n-Wagen IRL, as they were phased out during the mid 2000's here when I was still a child.
A train is not a train. A 218 with 3 n-Wagens is something else than braking 6 super heavy Dostos. And yes, the n-Wagen brakes do kick in hard. Gradually release the brakes before coming to a halt. I wouldn't brake them with 4 bars, coming from 120 brake in at the optimal point with 4.2, and when reaching platform at about 60 km/h start releasing them. IRL drivers used to have them fully released at exactly the moment of stopping for passenger comfort, then securing the train with the direct brake. The most important thing is getting to know your equipment, especially brake release times as you must act well in advance for a realistic driving experience. That's one reason why driving trains is a profession that needs training. Best thing is to put that train onto the Training center loop and practise exact, smooth platform stops without a "ruck" and without losing time by overbraking or braking too early/weak.
For those fluent in german. "Winfried Kurt Dunkel - Unter Strom" This book is a fantastic read from a former driver (born 1948), starting his apprenticeship in the sixties when Diesel replaced Steam, on the V160 Diesels, E10, E40 and his peak time on the 103, and finally ending his career on the "boring" 101, feeling being degraded to moving a stick on a "plastic" computer train. Very entertaining loose writing style, describing the art of mastering tread brakes, strange bureaucrats and passengers, and the change of the Bahn throughout the years. Unfortunately not available anymore, you may find it on eBay or as digital download somewhere. Absolute recommendation. https://www.amazon.de/Unter-Strom-Erlebnisse-eines-Lok-Führers/dp/373755238X?ref_=ast_author_dp
Thanks everyone for their anecdotes and Spikee1975 for the book recommendation. It’s good to know that my doubts about the n-Wagen in TSW were unfounded - will make me enjoy them even more from now on.
Im glad engineers dont construct the brakes from opinions how theiy should "feel" . As far i know TSW simulates the brake values in simugraph taking the "breakweight" and the the vehicle weight. TSW seems to even set the wagon weight for the amount of passengers in the vehicle, means the weight varies during passenger boarding. (not 100% sure about this) Gives you a Brakeforce of 190% when empty, which is a lot especially with the disc brakes. Quick walkaround, if players think its too heavy just put the lever to P. This is technically wrong on a passenger train, but gives you less brakeforce.
