Just Trains’ Next Uk Route

Hello
I know we haven’t got any information on what the Just Trains uk route is going to be but I’d like this to just be a discussion on what you think/would like the next uk route to be. Personally I’d love another London Underground route, but this time a sub-surface route such as the Metropolitan, District, Hammersmith and City and the Circle lines. But out of all of these I would like the H&C line the most because it’s got a good route length (15.8 miles) and it’s takes about an hour to complete so it’s like a lot of other TSW routes, I’d also think the S7 stock would be a great addition to the game. Let me know what you think of this idea and suggest any others you’d like to be on the next Uk route!

 

I feel they are going to use the Pacer, maybe branching off Preston, possibly to Morecambe via Lancaster (with a 86/87 as the new train) or towards Manchester way.

 

Discussed and speculated extensively in this thread already:
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/poll-what-route-will-just-trains-make-next.81533/unread

tl:dr Smart money on something in their NW England comfort zone and/or using the Pacer alongside one new train.
North Wales Coast Chester to Llandudno also widely speculated due to fitting right in with the BR Classic Blue theme.

Or they could throw a total curve ball and we end up with the Chiltern or Metropolitan Line, building on their success with these in TSC.

 

I’ve completely forgot about wales, I think a Welsh route would be perfect a perfect route since we don’t have any at the moment

 

Not to mention the Pacer would fit in along with a new Class 156 (or maybe 108) and apart from a Class 25 pretty much all the classic diesels that appeared along there are in the game. Could do with some blue/grey Mark One coaches though.

 

I don't think this is a curve ball, more a four- seam fastball right over the plate and I would welcome the Chiltern line along with some diesel power ( Classes 68, 168 ), even though it's at the edge of TSW's length paradigm at over 110 miles. Maybe include the Oxford connection.

 

Wouldn’t do an 86/87 just for Preston to Lancaster.

 

Maybe Preston south to Crewe for a Class 86/87 intercity route, if going north to Carlisle is too much of a stretch?

Whatever it may be, knowing Just Trains they're forward-thinking enough to build a route that would take full advantage of the content included in Blackpool Branches for additional layers, and they'll probably even update Blackpool Branches to include any new stock onto that route's timetable too.

 

Why not, its a lengthy run albeit non stop. Maybe then the through AI services at Preston would.become ACs, I think that people's expectations need to be realistic with route lengths in TSW. The WCML in the North beyond Preston has its stations a fair bit apart. The Beeching cuts of the 60s caused a lot of way side stations on currently open routes to be closed. In the North West of England Crewe to Preston has a more concentrated bunch of stations than North of Preston. I got a feeling the North Wales Coast is the one with a 150/1 or 156.....

 

What I'd give to see a AC locomotive like a 86 or 87... Would love to see how the tap change would be implemented if the locomotives ever made it into the game... Sectorisation era with some BR blue still floating about would be magic... An extension from Preston either north or south would be lovely. That's what I'd hope for.

Unless we get another LU line like their TSC Metropolitan Line?

 

Preston to Lancaster is not a lengthy run it is 21 miles and takes 20 minutes to do. Why would they waste resources doing a 86/87 for that short distance.

 

Preston to Oxenholme possibly more plausible, throw in the Windermere and Morecambe/Heysham branch though they would need a Class 105 Cravens or Class 108 Derby DMU in addition to AC sparkie for the main line. Mind either of the two DMU's mentioned would provide some massive future proofing. Class 108 was one of the last types of heritage DMU's to remain in service, while Cravens popped up everywhere even the now closed GNOS network north of Aberdeen.

 

I would personaly love to see roarers in the game rather than 86s or 87s something like crewe - preston in the 70s with a few roarers would be hellfire

 

Longer than Preston to Blackpool....20 mins is a good time for a run. Break from the Screen then. I can't see them doing Preston to Carlisle. Maybe Oxenholme as suggested in other posts. I can see maybe a shorter route concept again and some splinter branches. Morecambe and Heysham would fit that bill.

 

Class 86/87s don’t run Preston to Blackpool though. And that takes longer than the 20 minutes for your suggestion of Preston to Lancaster, You said about the 86/87 that’s what my reply is in reply to.
You then said it is a good run time. 20 minutes is not a decent run time for a train that was designed for distance and speed. There are no stations between the 2 and would get boring very quickly just end to end and wouldn’t sell.

 

I hope its a Welsh route we are long overdue one in the game

 

Preston to carlisle would be pretty ideal, 86/87 included as base, and potential for the APT as an add on at some point as well.

 

We don't know for certain that Just Trains' new route comes with new traction do we? If it does, I'd expect it to just be one new type of loco or a multiple unit.
While this is just a feeling based on no inside information, I can see it being a Class 156. It just seems like something they'd do. Plus it could layer into Blackpool Branches too.
As for the route, I'm still thinking Hope Valley but it could be something else that the Pacer can work on in the Northern/East Midlands areas.

 

Obviously, living in Llandudno Junction.. I'd give anything for that route (Chester to Llandudno) preferably in modern day actually - with freight runs (though only from LLJ to CTR), plenty of railtours (we've had 55s, 52s, 47s, 43s, 37s, 40s, 50s, 20s, and many more from my own knowledge and online videos), for normal stuff we could have 175s, 150s, 153s, 158s, and the WAG set.. plus the new 197 depending on the exact year...
I plan to be a driver when I'm older, and having the experience to drive on the line now, while I've still got a few years to go until I can officially do it in real life, would be amazing!
So yeah - I would pay great money for the route for sure!

 

Yet another sprinter?

 

What do you mean, yet another Sprinter. We've only got two. Still missing the 150/0, 150/1, 153, 155, 156 and 159.

We only have 2 out of 8.

 

If that's what people will buy, that's what they'll make I suppose.

 

And Rivet’s 150/2 doesn’t count. It might look like one, but any similarity or fidelity to the actual prototype ends there!

 

As I said in another thread on this topic, as long as the route isn’t set in the modern era, I trust JT enough that I don’t mind what they do. If another modern route comes along, I will feel a good amount of disappointment considering there have been too many of them recently.

Blackpool is TSW’s best route so far, and the era plays a big part in that. A good selection of engaging stock to drive with a lovely bit of diesel thrash on the side, perfection Much better than driving the Azuma along the ECML, which becomes a bit of a snore after one run.

So yeah, hoping JT knock it out of the park again with another spectacular BR route!

 

Agreed. Would not be the same without the ol Pacer included. If it were just another route i 2019 it'd lose a lot. It's still look pretty but it wouldn't stand out as much.

 

100% agree.

 

I have yet to even play their revered blackpool route but looks amazing from what I have seen. Maybe they will make rivet up their game!

 

Seeing how Fife Circle turned out, I really wouldn’t hold your breath, Rivet need to be taken to one side and given a good talking about their low quality output. Something needs to desperately change.

Skyhook, on the other hand, have certainly come forward in leaps and bounds, their updates on MML have been fantastic!

 

Actually Rivet need to be taken to the proverbial forge and shown the instruments, in this case the TSG 218 and told this is the quality expected of a train DLC...

 

How about their TSC routes remade these are MML Leicester to Sheffield and Manchester which includes the Tinsley Yard with Erewash and Hope Valley Lines. Chiltern Main Line with 7F Chiltern Class 67/168 and their TSC Subway route the Met with S8 Stock. Need the British section of the Holland Scandinavia Express Puttgarden Lubeck Hamburg then London Liverpool St to Harwich Parkeston Quay the Mayflower Line.

 

Hope Valley is okay, though the irony is Chinley to Dore scenic section doesn’t take that long to drive and a fair percentage of that is in the two long tunnels.

 

Can I change my mind?
I think it will be the Metropolitan Line, taking full advantage of the TfL licence. S8 stock era but maybe including the run into Marylebone so you can also drive to Amersham in a Chiltern DMU.

 

The license they have may not cover another route or a different sim. For example just because DTG have a license for goblin line does not mean they can use that same license for another TfL route. Same as just trains with the metline on TSC. The license may have restrictions on how when and where it can be used. Would love to see the met line myself but I am not holding much hope for that

 

The TFL license is different, it will cover all TFL routes; that is Overground and Underground.

 

How do you know that you won’t have a single clue what the restrictions on the license is none of us will. Please don’t make stuff up on something you know nothing about especially when it comes to legal stuff such as licenses.

Matt has even explained about licenses in the past how one license may only have a restriction on one thing and they will need another license from the same company for something else. You won’t know what the TfL license covers so I wouldn’t go around making claims up over a legal document on something you know nothing about.

 

Because I live in London and I know TFL is not a private organization such as the other rail companies, rather a local government body funded by Londoners. Hence when they award a license it is general for their services not for a certain line. It's a very unique situation which you probably don't understand.

 

You are absolutely wrong. I live in London as well Just because it is partly private run does not mean one license is automatically covering the whole organisation. TFL is a brand name it has private operators operating under that umbrella and LUL is one part of that organisation operating under PPP so the license WONT cover everything under LUL nor LOROL they are 2 seperate divisions.

show me proof that you are right that a license will cover another route please. Should be easy for you to show everyone if it’s a private organisation as you say then the information will be readily available to the public.

 

I'm certain that prior to the release of GOBLIN it was framed as being a release that's part of a new partnership with TfL and that it was hinted therefore that there could be future TfL releases.

Every license/contract will be different obviously, as we saw with the delayed LIRR and the operator's demands regarding safety systems.

 

Each time a product is made it will get send to the operator of the license holder in this case TFL/LOROL and they will have to approve a license for THAT product to release it. If they are not happy with something they will return it back and say nope we dont want X Y Z. DTG will then return it back to them once they make the changes to check it again and when happy issue a license for THAT product because it met the requirements.

Matt has gone through this already here are 2 threads he explains it better.

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/dtgs-policy-on-only-modern-content.64428/page-2#post-597681

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...-rebuild-and-others-do-not.81077/#post-834799

Put it this way if DTG had an open license agreement dont you think they would have been releasing more TFL branded routes like no tomorrow to bring in some revenue.

This is not aimed at you Wivenswold but the person above who makes a wrong claim regarding the license which unless they work for that department in TFL have no clue about the license issued and even if they did they wouldnt be legally allowed publicly to discuss such matters hence why they have failed to return when asked to show where this information is available to the public like they claimed.

 

It will probably be BR era anyhow

 

The complication with the Hope Valley is that the fast trains and the stopping trains use different routes at the Manchester end (the fast trains going via Stockport, and the stopping trains via Marple). That means that, in order to be able to do the full route with both fast and stopping trains, they’d have to build both routes - which would be a pretty major undertaking.

I suppose they could set it prior to 1986, when the Hazel Grove chord opened (which effectively opened up the route via Stockport). Working hauled sets through Marple and New Mills would be interesting.

 

Well this thread is kind of superseded anyway by the part reveal and what seems to be the conclusion they are going further into the North West. But yes correct about Hope Valley, with the TSC version incorporating both routes.

 

Well. This route, or at least the section from the screenshot, is obviously diesel as we have no third rail or OHLE. Many seem to think that it is either somewhere in the North West or South West. However, is there a small possibility that it is part of the Chiltern Mainline during the time of the Class 115 dmus?

 

My moneys on North West England to re use the Pacer again with a new loco/unit.

 

Yippe another br 80-90 traction!!!! Put this in tsw5 paywall and as a company your gone.

 

I’m hedging my bets on the riviera line with a 50, from the WIP screenshot it certainly could be, probably Exeter - Paignton or Plymouth, which is certainly exciting

 

Whatever and wherever it is I’ll be buying it day 1. I have complete trust in JT, which might be a lesson for some of the other 3rd party devs. especially those involving trains with lots of rivets.

 

The vast gulf in quality between the two is laughable, how DTG keep letting rivet release stuff is beyond me

 

Because people buy it

 

Isn't there already a Preston to Carlisle Route? Something like "West Coast Mainline over Shap" or something? I don't have it, but if it already exists and seems VERY popular in TSC.... *shrugs*
It's only about what 90 miles long too, so not the longest in TSW.