Do You Want Tsw 5?

As the title states, do you want TSW 5? If yes or no, why?

I don't mean for this post to be negative or hate or anything like that, I just wanna see what people on the forums are thinking.

For me personally, I don't really like having to purchase the game every year. Not a lot of route besides some North American ones interest me, and usually I just end up paying for the new version so I can get stability updates for the routes. Another reason I don't want a TSW 5 is because most of the stuff like the suspension update hasn't come out yet for TSW 4, and most of the time the new game could just be a free core update with paid routes like rush hour, but that's just me. What do you think

 

If you want new routes, you want TSW 5, the timing and price can be determined by your patience and future sales.
However, there is no escape, unless you no longer want new routes and are satisfied with TSW 2020, 2, 3 or 4.

 

How am I supposed to know when I don’t know what it contains. If it has good routes and features that I’m willing to pay for, then yes. If I don’t want the routes or the new features or I think it’s too expensive then no.

DTG / Focus seem to have decided that they need to make money from the core game releases. Fair enough, they are a business. I can choose whether I want their products when I actually know what they are.

I suspect I’ll buy it eventually just depends when and how much I wait for it to be discounted.

So no vote from me until it’s announced.

 

Nope. Free Core updates, and dlc at a price. That would be best. I know they wont, but thats the way it should be. Thats what i think.

 

I have no problem with the name and number as long as Mods work. Not even a problem if i have to download everything over. I’m more excited about the new 3 routes for cost of 1 and new added features.

 

I posted a proper wall of text on this subject in another thread. To put it in short, I'm honestly not that bothered by a new game and will probably buy it if not even pre-order. For the price of one route and one loco pack, you get three routes and two loco packs. The late TSW3 era onwards starting from Niddertalbahn has seen an increase in route and timetable quality, so I have little doubt that TSW5's base routes will be pretty decent at the very least.

My biggest gripe with new releases is that it pretty much paywalls bug fixes on the old games. Some of these are bug fixes and even features which were promised for TSW4. Suspension physics is only now getting patched in at the last minute, but it will only be TSW5 that sees TSW4's advertised feature expanded upon any further.

That being said though, the paywall is comparatively not actually that big considering the stuff that you do get for it. Three routes, two locos and extra features for way less money than they would cost otherwise. Consider the fact that it makes ECML simultaneously the longest and the cheapest UK route. Also, no matter what it will still be cheaper than building a model railway layout, going on a railtour or even riding on some heritage lines. It's actually surprising how railways really are an expensive hobby anywhere you turn.

So in the end yes, while I definitely understand and to some extent agree with the sentiments that the game and community would be better off simply having annual titular updates, I am actually okay with TSW5.

I have the feeling that given the times, TSW5 might be the one to cause the most controversy though. We can guess about new features and changes all day, but I have this feeling that this might be the release where DTG finally leave 8th gen consoles behind. People have been suggesting that it might happen for a while and we are now halfway through 9th gen's lifetime, the pro consoles are just around the corner. I would not be surprised to learn that dropping support for the old consoles, leaving behind that limitation and being able to spare more effort into other optimisations such as for Xbox Series S for example, was one of the main reasons for TSW5 existing in the first place.

 

So, there are few core things that I definitely would want to see and I can't imagine them being a part of a core update, that would require a significant rework. Off the top of my head, things to consider would an AI dispatcher, more modeled signaling and safety systems like radio and moving block ones (ETCS). If that means that it'll take two or three more years to implement it, I'll gladly wait.

 

Cannot answer the question. Nothing is announced, all rumours and guesses. I cannot make any decision based up this lack of information.

 

A big issue that comes with this poll to find a good answer is that many players of TSW will not care about what the player cost on a TSW5 is to TSW4 owners even if they are TSW4 owners

If you ask do you want TSW5, all that implies to them is ‘do you want new stuff to buy to expand your collection ?’

that’s it.

not do you want to pay instead of TSC style system, reinstall all your content again, possible adverse issue and get locked out of new updates if you don’t pay as TSW4 is now abandoned,

that part simply won’t matter to the casual buyer, hence this poll isn’t a showing of the view on the problems and advantages of how TSW5 would be implemented.

 

A decision can only be made when the routes/features that come with it are announced.

Until then, I can't say.

 

I voted no, release a route bundle with a free upgrade. Stuff that we were promised for TSW4 hasn't been fully implemented 10 months after initial release. I personally don't want TSW5

 

At an un determined date* if consist editor is any example

pretty sure TSW 4’s was Fog, Editor and Consist, at release until near the expected end of TSW4 on console, consist didn’t exist and editor is un useable, hence the only feature was fog.

 

Although I can't vote for the existence of something which hasn't been officially announced....I voted anyway in the spirit of why this thread was created.

I think many here would rather the core game updated at no cost with only new DLC being charged, so for me I went for the Rush Hour-esque option.

Realistically though, I can't see DTG extending out the lifespan of any TSW to 2 years as they did for TSW2 as they make a far bigger return from a new title than a DLC pack.

I don't know what hit they took the year they did this with RH but now we have Focus pulling the strings, it is far more likely we won't be seeing a new title as they literally laid it out for all to see in their business plan they expect a new game every 12mths

 

As my current stance is to wait for Z-fighting fix before continuing my collection on TSW and hence it looks like I at the least won’t be picking up TSW5 or this years bundle at launch.

the most advantageous option for me would be to pick the rush hour style for TSW4, so general fixes don’t require me to purchase TSW5 to receive them, I also think it’s a helpful option for those not in the same position as me to also benefit from a route bundle.

option 3 is my pick

 

If TSW5 is a thing that's fine, I'll buy it. But if there's no BR blue on the horizon I think I'll cut my losses and stop buying any more DLCs.

 

Not my point of view but Matt was interviewed about this question but he was giving a very clear point and he says BR Blue isn't an serious option to build! They invest more in modern stuff due to the point that most users are to young to understand this time period so the choice for modern stuff is way more on the horizon at the moment. I think in selling perspective thats a fair point i think 90% of the players are yonger than that age. Youre age to have live in this time period must be today around 40 at least at the moment. And its before the period of where Blackpool Branches is set in. Sp i give you 5% change on this! Sorry but thats what already is confirmed!

 

Well just trains is making another route set in the 80s so all hope isn't entirely lost

 

If he is asking for the real blue period that the sixties! The blue pullman etc is in the 60s and years before the JT period.

 

Matt also used to use the analogy that TSW isn't a banquet but rather a buffet, meaning that DTG would cater for all tastes. It now seems that the BR blue period is being taken off the table.

Like many others I'm getting bored of identikit modern DMU/EMU commuter routes. I've supported the game by buying every DLC apart from the last two or three. I'll just vote with my wallet. It's DTG's loss at the end of the day.

 

I'm going to be in a minority here, I'd like TSW5 (or whatever further releases there are) but once purchased I'd it to be a update that doesn't involve having to reinstall all the previous add ons, as that's the most inconvenient thing...

 

Thats exactly the problem. You can vote with youre wallet but youre alone in desert i guess. If there is a large group you will get a result but thats exactly what Matt was mentioning the group like you is to small to invest in it. And whats written above there are maybe 3rd party creators they have interest in it but not at the moment sofar is known from the roadmap. I think it will not happen for a longer time due what Matt already told its not worth the work and yeah they not work for free

 

I voted for TSW5 mainly because that's more likely than not what's coming. I'd prefer if they went to a two year schedule in between Title releases (5, 6 etc) and fixed the simulation in the off year.

 

The poll isn’t going to make a difference, but I would advise that the question is what you want to see (as it’s titled) rather than a bet on what will happen, more that do so will help to create a more better image on what the forum users think.

 

Whilst I understand more users will go for the newer content, I would dispute the point on it being an exclusive age thing, I was born in 2000 yet I think I own every route set before that time period. I may be on the minority that does but being that minority makes it pretty clear it’s not as simple as age.

though yes I do think DTG will go where the market is over variety.

Edit: though I also think TSW is the kinda game where if you release too much of the same content at once (one after the other) you will begin to tire that market interest.

 

All in all, no, not in a yearly (or 11 months) schedule. I mean, working on more or less major improvements for about a year, releasing the 'new version', and as soon as it's released start working on the next major improvements? Nah, doesn't sound trustworthy to me.

Some politics like the 'Rush Hour' update in between, seem to me more viable or understandable for the customers. Releasing an 'apetizer' at first, while they 're working on a 'real' whole new version would fit better, to make the new version acceptable, understandable for the customers, I think.

Why should I buy a TSW5, when they will immediately start programming TSW 6? That does imply the impression/idea, that TSW5 is outdated in the moment it's available.

 

This annual release thing is confusing nonsense for most players. Just make a core update every year and time it with the release of a 3 route pack. They'd make the same money and wouldn't be in such a marketing mess all the time.

 

I do see one side to it in that a new game of TSW resets interest in the franchise, however I do think every September is excessive.

 

Ive never written it an exclusive age thing... It was more in a way of people they have seen this whole period have more a real feeling with it. Its more in way of experience. The thing is that Dovetail Games has to make profit by selling and its not easy to sell such stuff to kids that born in the 2000 years.

 

I know you didn’t, I didn’t say you did, I was talking on how everytime it’s mentioned the only factor mentioned is age.

I do think theirs a few factors that make it easier, they are the more likely demographic to want dlcs mass produced, in that not being reality (thankfully) something new whatever content it is will be appealing to them, among other things.

personally I’ve never witnessed over 90% of the trains in TSW firsthand/personally and therefore can’t identify with the demographic of “it’s what their used to seeing”

 

I dont think they make the same money from a DLC pack. The reasoning behind releasing a new game every year is to draw in new players. A 'brand new title' gets way more exposure on front pages of storefronts than a DLC pack ever will

 

Would just like to add that I'm right with you. I'm just slightly younger, born in 2001 but my favourite era to see which I feel is criminally under-utilised is the sectorised BR of the late 80s and 90s.

 

I think I have a slight more favour to the post 2000 era, however I always go for a mix of content to buy, I definitely never pass on something because it’s in a certain year.

 

Sorry than i understanding you in a wrong way Its not only age but its also how older stuff will be that you try to build how much work it is to get resources and that combined with the risk of less interest its a risk. Look at the steam locos that they build..... The only way that they get a good profit was more the hype in the way it was new but if you try again steam there is less interest for sure.

 

And I wonder why that is the case.

 

there may not be as high on the sales as modern content, but I do think there is sales to be had with properly implemented ones the same with BR/Post steam before modern era.

 

TS24 has free updates, but no one will ever fix the old routes, is that better? Released and forgotten, remember?

 

No, not really.
The TSW5 bundle itself will most likely be priced well, and I might get it if the routes are interesting. But I haven't been playing TSW4 as much as previous iterations. Plus it looks like the promised features for TSW4 are never leaving the beta phase (the editor, suspension improvements...) and are instead going to be TSW5 features.

 

Yep I want it. And I need it to be filled with new improvements and new gameplay. TSW still needs a lof of work. A season pass like Rush Hour would not cut it. Having even more passengers blocking my way is not something I want to pay for. I want to pay for fast loading times, a new avatar build that makes me move like a human, much improved scenery and to top it all off many routes in Belgium (sure other countries too but Belgium starts with a B and we already had Austria so to keep things fair Belgium should be next) #sarcasm

We had to wait until TSW4 until we finally got the Rush Hour passengers almost looking and behaving like Rush Hour passengers so no to a season pass!

 

No, but I don't think we have a choice.....

 

Happy to have 5,6,7,8......... As long as there is no need to download DLC content from previous versions again.

I can see people having to download 150+GB of DLC again just walking away from the game.

 

How would this work though ??.

 

If TSW5 comes out I will buy it. For me, TSW5 would be best to install an update. It's annoying to install all the DLC.

 

No I don’t, it’s simply not necessary any more and just messes up editor pc route builders and modders. I don’t think there will be one personally.
If I’m forced into buying a TSW5 by DTG blackmail to get future routes, then rest assured I won’t buy it until it’s super cheap in a sale.

 

Erm you have to reinstall all the dlc you own with a new game as well!

 

Realistically it’s not what the customers want, it’s what DTG and their Focus Overlords decide will make the most money. And no amount of polls or opinion threads on the forum will change that. The only weapon we have is to take a view when the product releases whether to buy, defer or not bother. And this year will really depend on what the route bundle has to offer.

 

Most of us will end up getting it, whether it be day one, other day full price purchase or a sale purchase. I of course wouldn't be surprised if the new JT route will require TSW5 and that's where they'll have me because I know I'll be wanting that route with it being BR Blue,

I'm one of the lucky ones who has super fast broadband so the transfer over won't be much of a problem as it will be for many, I do hope they look into getting that sorted so we don't have to transfer everything on an annual basis because the DLC library grows each year. Also, I would prefer it if they gave the core update as a free and you can choose the routes you want, only regions I'm interested is UK and most German

 

like, yeah... last few games were like, you have to have TSW 2/3 installed while downloading EVERYTHING as TSW 3/4... atm, my TSW4 "weighs" almost 220 GB, so that would mean, assuming TSW 5 will have like 3 full routes and 1-2 loco dlcs, which would be like another 20-25 GB, maybe 30 if it contained some new features, so that would make it like 250 GB behemoth... so in order to free up space for this procedure, I would have to uninstall like at least 200 GB worth of other games I got, just to get all stuff into TSW5, and then go over the torture of redownloading other games as well... I usually have access to like 45 Mbps wifi, so that would pretty much cut anything except FB/YT for almost one day

or I would have to hook up ethernet cable from living room and have the door open + hope no one trips over the cable (over cable it is around 150 Mbps, if they havent upgraded to 300 already) (cant really cut/drill through walls or so since it is not my property)

 

This is where TP link comes in handy, might be worth you checking it out, just google it.

 

That’s a good point about space on our hd’s. I don’t just play train games, I have a wealth of other great games that I enjoy just as much, many of them are whoppers too and some are still growing such as Total War Pharoah which is getting a whopping update soon that is virtually a new game. At this rate pc owners will have to buy a hd solely for TSW!
DTG please stop this annual blackmail regime.

 

The next JT route is BR Blue era.