Do You Want Tsw 5?

GTA releases every year? Did I miss something? GTA 5 came out in 2013 and GTA 6 still hasn't released (due fall 2025) GTA has brought out DLCs that you don't have to buy 2 or 3 times a year. So, I am guessing you play with your choo choos and have zero interest in GTA, fair play, but bad example. Call of Duty would sell its grand mother to make a buck, not only does it come out every year, it recycles old content from years ago, it has bugs and glitches, people cheating on it and COD does next to nothing about it on the current version or following year version. Fifa has taken the rights off EA, so no more Fifa anything, it is now call christ knows what, but yeah, I am sure EA will ensure we get a yearly version of that. Fallout 4 came out years ago, then a few years later Fallout 76? And DLCs along the way.

 

GTA5 does release a lot without a free upgrade. PS3 version, PS4 version PS5 version. At least my TSW upgrade to PS5 was free.

 

as a free upgrade why not.
or 3 good DLCs for 30€ would be ok. But if I look on the Steam users rating for the 3 DLCs of TSW 4 all reach average.
we still have stuttering, half finished DLCs, passengers behaviour bug, flickering, etc etc. Same since TSW1.

Suspensions? was for TSW4 planed but they are going to sell it as a new feature for TSW5 for sure
I love them.

They are very lucky that Simrail sleep with new content. Today is this game still not a good competitor.

 

my phrase was 2 every year or nearly every year (COD (accidentally called it black ops) FIFA) and 2 not every year (GTA/Fallout),

I have played all but FIFA extensively for the record

 

Fair, could probably take out COD in the equation and it remains or theirs probably a fair few other big titles to take the every year spot.

 

Question.
What purpose should the summer update serve (which should include updates to the suspensions, as stated by DTG in recent weeks), if a new version of TSW is then marketed if then a few weeks later (the supposed TSW 5)?

 

Getting suspension physics in so it can then be included as standard in TSW5? I don't actually doubt that suspension turned out to be way more complicated than they expected, however I would imagine that the development of TSW5 took resources away from solving that problem. With TSW5 likely now reaching its near release stage, they were probably able to divert resources back to suspension again and therefor get it finished. I guess the logic is that it's better to release an advertised feature at the last minute than to never release it at all.

 

In fact your reasoning seems plausible.

 

The reason for TSW4 was to place a line in the sand because of the implementation of the editor, free roam etc could only be included in a new build. If the next iteration is merely gameplay additions (dispatcher, conductor or signalman modes or random Timetable events hopefully) then it could be that it's a free or very low cost update for existing TSW4 owners.

One option for DTG, a free update to TSW5 next time you purchase a full price new route. So you can get the new features immediately if you buy one of the 3 or 4 new routes coming out with the rebranding or wait until something that you really want comes out so you're not feeling forced into spending money on routes.

 

..all of which offering substantial upgrades, proper upgrades, and not patches, that takes advantages of the latest console hardware. Also, you can still use the PS4 version on PS5, and the PS4 version still has active support. Also, the game is 11 years old, "a lot" is an exaggeration, especially when they relased specifically for the new consoles, without them, there wouldn't be multiple versions.

 

Still playing 3 on ps5.
Tried 4 on Xbox game pass but disliked all three routes.
So will probably get 5 if the routes are entertaining enough, cherry picking the best of 4 from sales.
So promised new features appear in the future iteration? Is that the deal now?

 

Pretty much

 

I never bothered with the PS5 version in the end, either. Of course TSW3 now sits there like an unwanted orphan - BML is unplayable as every time I try and start a run the train derails immediately or soon after departure. Never going to get fixed as DTG simply put the old version out of life cycle once the next iteration lands.

 

One more consideration.
I don't understand why I should update TSW 4 at the end of July/beginning of August if I have to re-download everything in September/October (again, of course, assuming TSW 5 arrives).
DTG, at this point, should explain what it intends to do.
The situation (it is understood that life's problems are different) is becoming a bit messy.

 

Yes no, are you still playing the old version of TSW that came out on the PS3? Probably not as you as we all have upgraded as we go on the promise of everything will be fixed...? If you want to get into comparing charges, just simply no, how many gta 5 version, ps3 ps4 ps5, 3 versions. How many Tsw versions plus add ons you have to pay for with real cash, pound for pound I have spent way more on tsw.

 

The summer update will fix all the bugs that were not fixed yet in TSW4.

Stop laughing. I'm serious

 

Completely poor analogy. FIFA doesn’t force you to take along dlc by promising updates and fixes.

All you pay for is updated rosters, kits and a few added minor features. You could take it or leave it. In tsw you won’t be able to add content or play future routes without it.

 

I somehow really hope for a TSW 5, since it means we'll get probably some great routes and multiple cool features! I really like the British and the austrian route that came out with TSW 4, sadly Riesa Dresden didn't get the Airport Branch but it's still really fun to play the routes with TSW 4 features! Maybe some older routes Like HRR, SKA and many more old route will get updated to the latest features, since they feel outdated and aren't as fun anymore as the newer routes.

There is a good chance that multiplayer will be a thing and probably dispatcher mode too, since it got tested on some routes like on the new Harlem Line Szenario.

All in all I can't wait for the announcement! Only annoying thing is always to download every route

 

Just bought 4 deluxe for 8 quid on ps5, mainly for the hud and Vectron, oh and the remasters!
So probably won't buy 5 until later with sale.

 

No they need to fix the issues that tsw 4 has and theres quite a few no point releasing a new game every year its annoying having to keep transferring routes over I would be happy with them just releasing bundles like rush hour

 

[EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]

 

You're living under a digital rock if you think that people don't absolutely hate EA for doing this kind of thing.

 

Don't really want it no

 

He/she is a customer who pays for and uses a video game "simulation" of a train driving experience. They are not applying for a job as chief economic adviser to the Governor of the Bank of England so do not need a degree in business studies.

As customers, he/she/we are what keeps the company afloat and if WE become sick of the shoddy way that said company treats us then no further transactions occur and if that occurs enough times then the company goes under and shuts down. DTG seems to have worked very hard at alienating a large portion of the user base and driving them to abandon the entire franchise in disgust..

These ex-customers don't just fade away and disappear. They linger around spreading the word that DTG are unscrupulous spivs who are only interested in quick money grabs whilst offering a poor quality, poorly performing and bug ridden product.

Word of mouth is what creates or destroys companies and DTG has a very poor reputation which gets even worse with every cynical annual cash grab that they organise. Companies with poor reputations have a habit of eventually sinking with little trace beyond a grubby oil slick of disgruntled ex-customers reminiscing with joy at their downfall.

If DTG behaves in a way that leaves people feeling unhappy and cheated out of their money then they have created their own fateful demise. What goes around comes around, Karma. Poetic Justice However you want to put it, that is the way the world works and for bad companies like DTG it is likely to be an insurmountable terminal problem.

 

It's not really a fair question until they a) announce TSW 5, and b) tell us what's in it.
I can't say I want or don't want something that hasn't been proven to exist.
Lots of speculation, but nothing concrete to make any decisions on.

 

Arguably they could say their company DOES do lots of steam...just not in TSW, since they're both the same company.

 

If we're going with "what ifs".... IF it's like TSW 4 and there is lots of backwards compatibility (you can use older content just fine) and there are locos/routes released with the new one.... then it's actually in some ways not that expensive. Let's say it's $49.99 for 3 new routes and some locos.... that's reasonable. Not if you don't want ANY new routes...then you're being forced to buy the upgrade (except you're not)
As long as the older stuff keeps getting "grandfathered" into newer versions, then you don't HAVE to upgrade. (Some people still play TSW 2 or TSW 3). If a good batch of routes come up with say TSW 6 or TSW 7...you could just "upgrade" then and get those routes at a bargain.

You wouldn't get any "special features" like lighting or better clouds or whatever in the latest version, but you can hold off upgrading until you get a good "bundle" to do it with. That's not entirely unfair.

Don't like it..just don't upgrade.

That is (and it's a big "if").... IF there is a TSW 5 this year.
I still stand by my comment that we can't judge something that hasn't been announced, let alone released.
It's entirely something hypothesized by people on the forum at this point.
Any details are conjecture.

 

It's just a tad bit annoying that we have to reinstall all the content. Takes a bit of time.

 

I didn’t say they didn’t hate EA.

 

[EDIT - Jan - Language] Your analogy would be relevant if you actively had to buy individual leagues in the product and then buy the updated version of the Fifa core game every year. You don't have to do that they are all independent and standalone.

 

You’re still incapable of understanding the TSW player base compared to other big franchises (ETS2).

 

Whether you're for or against TSW 5 that's perfectly fine, all criticism is valid but when it gets personal and insults get thrown out that's when your points turn moot. Let's keep it civil and constructive, that goes for everyone.

EDIT: Happened to post this at the exact same time Jan posted funnily enough, was not my intention

 

Jan, I think something needs to be done to consolidate these TSW5 etc. threads. I know the company doesn't want to pre-empt any announcement but the number of new duplicate threads popping up is getting silly now, worse than it ever was in the run up to the previous annual change. Please talk to Matt and Alex/Harry see what can be done to overall defuse the situation. Maybe even consider bringing forward any announcement and creating a separate sub for TSW5, summer bundle or whatever you actually have planned.

 

If it comes out i'll probably buy it, but porting all dlcs buyed at 4 to 5 is a pain, specially for me that i have almost all contents, Semmeringbahn is the last route that i have to buy and then i have all the entire collection, but i'm waiting a sale to buy it

 

not going to happen over increased forum activity, best they could do is lock all but one TSW5 ‘speculation’ thread.

 

They really don’t do steam in TS Classic now either. It’s all done by third parties, not DTG. If TSW is to be the be all, ultimate simulator it advertises itself to be, they need to be actively developing steam traction alongside diesel and electric content.

 

I assume some bought TSW4 because of the much hyped suspension physics? Having to buy it again (assuming TSW5) in order to maybe get that must be a little galling..

 

If it's in the game, then it's in the game. Why does DTG personally have to do it? That's the whole point of having third party developers do it... it expands the game beyond what their small in house team can do.

 

Issue is DTG have buggered steam physics, which has put third parties off doing steam in TSW.

 

Hmm.. Didn't realize that DTG had such a small dev team. That would explain a lot.

 

But you just said it's being done by third parties..... is it being done or is it not being done?

 

Third parties won't touch steam in TSW.

 

Dtg have said there are some 3rd parties interested in creating steam content. In terms of upgrading steam, only dtg can do that because it's core but they don't have the expertise.

 

Which is why I said it's available in TSC. Just like there's no avatars in TSC.
I play both and don't demand that everything be in both of them.
*shrugs*
Also, actually relating to the thread.... there's not the same level of anger about TSC being updated constantly.
A little, but not to the level I see it with TSW for some reason.

 

To clarify.... "expert level" steam content... there is a lot of steam traction. It's just not expertly modeled.
That's markedly different than thinking you can't get a steam loco at all, which some people have been saying in exaggeration.

 

What happens if DTG announces TSW5 on August 20? What is your question? You are faced with only two choices: "buy" and "don't buy". This is a very simple question.

 

Please do not discuss or debate any issues regarding TSW5 on the forum. We will just have to wait for the time to pass and all the answers will be revealed on that day. Before there are any answers, our enthusiasm will be ridiculed by DTG.

 

"enthusiasm?"

 

So, those who only play TSW should miss out? Where's the logic in that?

TSW is a yearly paid update for virtually the same thing. TSC isn't.