Do You Want Tsw 5?

TSC didn't just upgrade to 2024? Honestly I dunno since I just started with 2024 so had to pay for it.
If not, then that's a model for TSW. They could always have a bundle package too, but that would be paying for the new routes included.

It must be repeated though... it's still not verified let alone announced. It's entirely Forum speculation at this point.
It's LIKELY...but you can't count chickens before they're hatched.

 

Pretty sure the company is about 200 personnel (wiki says 170), I don’t know what that divides down into development, but preservation alone was about 4.

 

I really hope to see more of the Ruhr Gebiet in TSW 5, especially updated HRR, RSN and RRO

 

In case you didn't get it, my post was tongue in cheek in response to a clearly fallacious claim.

 

That's not a lot. Most wouldn't be developers, and people underestimate how much work is involved.
Also if it's anything like every other game studio, even the development people are broken into lots of sub-teams with specialties (like the art team, the narrative team, assets team, process team, integration team, bug support, etc.
Now most third-party groups are even smaller, but they'll also be more focused on just a project or two at a time.

Point being that there's only so many hands available to fix or implement any individual feature a fan personally cares about.
Most usually aren't cross-trained either and the feature will require multiple teams (a loco for example takes most of them at some point) so anything not plugged in ahead of time just isn't going to have much if any priority of bandwidth assigned.

Again, can't talk to DTG's internal specifics, but rather the industry as a whole and project management in general.

A "company of 170" seems like a lot... but it's not like you have half of them just standing around waiting to do what you think they should instead of what they are assigned already. You don't just grab Dave from the Accounting office and have him work on steam mechanics for example.

It also seems to require a rewrite of their "engine" system to do so, which makes it much harder than just making another locomotive.

As has been expressed before.... they have priorities they set and they decided that steam wasn't a priority because it wasn't a huge market. That's their choice on it. To change their minds... you have to prove them wrong.

It's like demanding that Ford start making airplanes again because "I sure did love those Trimotors in the 1930s."
Well that's nice... but is Ford already busy building trucks and cars?
Is there a market for Ford airplanes? Especially trimotors?

Now, going back to the original thread (again), if they move to a new game engine with a new update..... that might enable them to do it easier and would justify updating would it not?

 

Compared to Simrail its a lot.

From Simrails webpage- "Our team currently consists of over 20 people - it is made up of specialists associated with rail transport for almost 10 years, as well as professional programmers, electronics and computer graphics."

Maybe a question of bang for buck...?

 

Or bang vs BANG.
Compare the amount of content and sales between the two.

Yes, smaller teams can do more with less because they don't invest so much in marketing, accounting, etc.
However, it's also a matter of simple scale.

8 locos and 500km of track is the equivalent of about 3-4 routes in TSW.

Then consider that DTG also does TSC, Tram Sim, Fishing, Catan, etc which are ALSO included in that 170 people.

It's not really a fair comparison. Simrail is more similar a third party developer like Just Trains or Rivet in comparative size and scope.

 

Hold your beans mate. I never said third parties are doing owt and in fact quite clearly and unambiguously said the very opposite. I will quote my post here so you can re-read it and take the information in this time. The bold is particularly important.

 

Honestly this is a pretty good breakdown that a lot of people just don’t understand

 

Its not a fair comparison with those 3rd party developers as you say. It does however point to a significant effort on the part of DTG. Whether that effort is efficient or not (bang for buck) is anyones guess. The lack of forward progress on many promised features would seem to empirically point at either inefficiencies or cash cow modelling. Either way is fine by me, but it will affect my purchasing habits negatively if I think the product will not be presented as advertised within its life cycle.

I think your last point is a good one. I think starting again with a new franchise, new engine etc with lessons learned might be a brave but potentially long term answer. Is that time now? I think probably not yet.

 

I'm a player on Steam, and when I play this sim, I just wish they would update the main sim with their new title instead of continuing to buy the whole game that you already own from day 1, which is Train Sim World 2020. In my eyes, that's what I still see, nothing changes that big part from new stuff. As time went on, I see the graphics engine has been watered down. When you put settings on maximum, you can tell the sim has been messed about by the dev. For whatever reason, graphics are a big thing for all players. Maybe it's time to get those graphics looking good again because right now when I look at streaming or videos on YouTube where fans are playing the sim, you can tell the graphics look so bad. So putting a photo mode in-game won't hide the true look at all. So TSW5 is just TSW need to stop with this and sort out old routes, graphics engine and passengers. Sim also getting very boring no life on the stations and UK routes are just too small in my eyes biggest route in TSW is Kassel-Wurzberg (Germany), 116 miles now if we can see 116 miles why can't UK routes get something that sort of size?? all we get is excuses and get small uk routes this is a UK Company can't even get good long routes just sounds like they are using the old ways they do with Train Simulator Classic where UK routes was small and short now TSW here prices gone up and now still getting small routes when will things change Dovetail TSW getting boring because not a lot of love getting putting into it but lots of money being made from it though when it first came out back into 2017 I was like Dovetail looking after their fans could see longer routes coming from them over last 7 years not really seen much come from them really and from where I'm standing even if 3rd party started making routes like they have done they can't even change graphics engine to make it look even better so hoping for a new sim to beat this company with a new train sim because gaming nowadays not the same anymore just about making money you can even make a rubbish game with bad graphics and put it up for sale and someone will buy it crazy world we live in haha.

 

Learn to use punctuation.

Just for the record, skw may be long but there's nothing to look at, it's incredibly straight and tons of tunnels. Add anything else and it becomes complicated and very time consuming. Remember the route also had the funding of a brand new game (tsw3). There's simply not enough time or resources to create 100 mile routes regularly.

In order to upgrade graphics they have to remake all the routes and they just don't have the staff or resources to do all that and not create any new content

 

I will make it nice and short for you buddy are you a remember of staff to tell me about this because you don't seem like one also let Dovetail games reply to my message that's who it's for xD this is why this sim doesn't get anywhere because people like you speak for dovetail even though you don't work for them I want to see this sim get better I'm not here to make it bad just speaking my mind about the sim as a whole silly lol.

 

He is not a member of staff. He just a DTG shill that will defend them for anything as if his life depends on it and will constantly make excuses for them for underperforming

 

Though, the amusement factor of Mr. Obvious' defense pamphlets can't be underestimated. I'd love to see him having a dedicated forum section. Think how easy it would be to get to your daily forum laughter?!

But when he/she/it is right, he/she/it is right: Punctuation seems to become a futuristic concept these days.

TSW5? Was there something? Oh yeah, it's coming ...

 

Something I really hope for is VR support. I know that not everybody has a VR headset, but for those who do, it would be a game-changer and would be so super epic! DTG could even publish TSW on Meta Quest or Apple Vision Pro too, and it would bring more players to the TSW community.

 

I do have VR and there is a very clever mod that allows you to play in VR. It’s great for a while and then I just found I couldn’t be bothered. So I hope VR doesn’t become a feature yet. There are far more important things to fix before adding something else to break.

Besides this, XBox doesn’t have VR and PlayStation VR seems not that well supported, so it would likely be PC Only.

As for the meta quest. Brilliant Headset, but no way has it got the processing power to run TSW.

 

Punctuation isn't that hard.

 

I can assure you even DTG won't read walls of text.

 

It's too painful for me.

 

Yes but as free update for owners ofTSW 2 3 & 4 Full price for newcomers I don,t see why we should have to keep buying it as a new game its just DTG greed talking otherwise after-all TSW rival Train Simulator gets a free update every year & thats been going a lot longer than TWS

 

I wants TSW5, but it must have one very important new feature, in order to eliminate a really very annoying thing is happening today!

To have an option about "ALLOW or NOT ALLOW", Creator's Club repaints, on a Timetable or Scenario!

It is happening today on TSW4!

Yesterday I was driving a train on SEHS, and a Class 395, repainted as Swiss train train - frankly speaking I did not remember when I subscribed to that one-, which seems to be also happening on all other routes.
There might be a simple "Click" option about allowing or not Creator's Club creations, but... about the AI trains ONLY.
In order you can drive a repainted one, if you wish. But only for your train.

If that is not possible, then just "Allow Creator's Club repaints" -or something like that", click option be fine.

 

Its often not even an update. Certainly a minor patch at best.. Maybe if they reworked the base code, updated UE or some other giant leap for mankind, I might get on board. Otherwise I think I'll pass unless one of the three inevitable routes on 'offer' is something I'd really like.

If on the other hand it was simply a patch (if thats not too insulting to patches), then I might well impulse buy something from the dlc list. As it stands though, the paywall structure means impulse buyers probably won't be grazing here..

One final thing- If they (DTG) were to change this strategy, I would be the first to praise them from the rooftops.

 

Just powered up my Xbox-one over the weekend after my play-station 4 final packed-up after 11yrs fortunately all my ps4 games have been transferred to my PS5.
But whilst i was looking Through the store on my X-box one i noticed that train sim world 4 was about to be removed from the Store is this the final clue that we are really.
But if you really want to see a big leak there is a you-tube video on you tube that TSW5 is coming (yet to be confirmed) it includes the Quoted Text that JD used on here. It also reveals the next UK -route which is WMLS set between Rugby -Warwick Staff,s & features BR-Class 350 & the Add-on Loco as Br Class 390 (yet to be Confirmed DTG) it also Supposed to feature Guard Mode as well you can see a lot in the Video on you tube by Pixelade rail ( Please note that none of the above is to be taken for granted & has yet to be confirmed by Dove Tail Games)

 

Maybe the big reveal in TSW5 is that they are fixing steam but you have to buy the new version to benefit?
Personally I’d even accept more steam even if it doesn’t change, it still looks nice and is fun to drive. I’m no expert.

 

No, absolutely not. We got shafted with tsw3 as is.

 

Best things to do with TSW5
1. Get rid of PS4 / Xbox One support, that’s the limitations that’s bringing to this game such as the full proposed WCML line
2. Although I’m not sure, but DLCs should be linked with dovetail accounts rather than a seperate download

 

Really? Game already maxes out my GPU.

 

Discussion of information leaked through the NDA breach is still a bit taboo, so tread carefully with specifics. Though unlikely to be the section you appear to allude to, generally known as “TV” rather than the “South” section.

 

Im going to be taking a wait and see attitude this time ..I will watch the direct and see what they say and what is shown and if they have a live question and answer session at some point, Then i will see what other s opinions are good and bad, at this point for a day one purchase the US route is going to have to really shine have some freight services included, also it will have to impress me highly over all, if not will wait for a decent sale before i buy and if i do will be for console i plan on getting a ps 5 so since my tsw 4 etc on x box S i will start with TSW 5 onPS5 ,

 

No! TSW 5 is a pointless game considering the upgrades that came with TSW4. What big thing are they going to promise as the main selling point and fail to deliver on? Suspension anyone, that at the time of this reply still hasn't been delivered despite being a big selling point for 4! But let's look at the history of Train SIM World. TSW2020 was released in 2019 and when TSW2 released was abandoned a broken uncompletable mess because DTG initially refused to fix the broken achievement/trophy until the community got a petition. TSW 2 was released in 2020 and basically upgraded in 2021. It was abandoned a broken uncompletable mess in 2022 when DTG released TSW3 in which they changed the format to a single core route that all future locos and rolling stock would attach to to make using them on other routes easier. TSW3 was abandoned an uncompletable broken mess in 2023 when TSW4 was released and now we're expecting TSW5 to be announced is a fortnights time. Each game has released a broken mess because all of the old DLC hasn't been fully optimised or tested for the new game so we as end users have had to wait for DTG to fix the things they've managed to break. In one case it took them 2 years to fix the game breaking bug in the Trunk Service scenario that came with the 363 DLC for the MSB route in TSW2 and was finally fixed earlier this year! We'll be looking at the fourth game in the franchise being abandoned a broken mess that hopefully will be completable as long as DTG don't break any of the achievements with an update!

 

For the continuation of my fairly expensive, sometimes frustrating, but ultimately very rewarding and immersive hobby I will snap DTG’s hand off when offered TSW5 with its grand collection of routes and locos for a relatively low price compared to the numerous DLC I will also continue to buy afterwards. As it is now considered to be somewhat of a serious crime on this forum to think this way and at the very least frowned upon to enjoy TSW at all I will impose a very severe punishment on myself at a later date. Perhaps a whole day without crisps or biscuits, if the day or days spent downloading and installing all my DLC again isn’t punishment enough. For the rest of the time I will be enjoying the new stuff.

If anything in an old route is broken by the new game’s updated core, I will still have a fully working* TSW4 installed to fall back on, something I wouldn’t have if the yearly release was an upgrade to TSW4 and a DLC pack rather than a new title. A little insurance policy by keeping the old game installed as well as the new and a definite benefit of a new title coming every so often and not a free core update to the existing game.

*fully working in the sense that nothing will have been broken specifically by an update to the core. Nothing should be broken in the new game but you never know.

 

To answer the question - no, I do not but tbh I can’t be bother to throw insults as DTG anymore when they announce a new TSW game. I have accepted that we will get a new TSW game every 12 months and whilst I am against the idea of this, I can’t be bothered to show my annoyance anymore..

If we got a new game every 2 - 3 years then that I could get behind but I believe that it’s far too soon to introduce a new game every year

 

I said a while back that I thought this release might be a free upgrade TSW2024 with a paid route bundle or rush hour type thing. For the life of me I cannot see what new features would warrant a totally new game, especially as a year down the line we are still awaiting suspension. If they were to add that to a new game then I reckon they’d get slaughtered on here and rightly so. If a TSW5 did come out DTG could be reasonably accused of forcing players to buy it for no other reason than to access future content. To my mind that is exploiting the player base unfairly.

 

Last gen isn't holding much back. There's already major differences between last Gen and next gen. Length isn't determined by last gen. It's limited by budget, time and resources.

 

PS4 and Xbox One don't hold it back. They have their own builds separate to the PS5/Xbox Series X.

 

The only thing I can see that could possibly justify the number 5 would be a brand new core engine that considerably improved visuals and overall performance (framerates, draw distances, pop-in's etc etc). Unfortunately though, if you believe what you've read then aside from three brand new routes (which could just as easily been bundled for TSW4) it is looking like guard mode is going to be TSW5's primary USP....which is disappointing really because it's not even a new feature and if truth be told, even back then it did come across as something that had a practical lifespan of, say, a bus conductor or football ground turnstile attendant simulator.

...and then there's the other thing. History repeating itself with the ending of support for the previous iteration and it's yet to be fully fixed collection of addons.

 

DTG have said no plan for now to drop gen8 consoles

 

1. Dropping Gen8 means losing customers. More important than cutting edge tech, to stay realistic.
2. DTG are publishers, but not retailers/distributors. That's Steam / Microsoft / Epic / Sony's job. They are not tied to a DTL account, as they have their own customer database. What you are suggesting would need a Dovetail Store as exclusive platform. Why reinvent the wheel?

 

.yeah the whole new core engine would be a free update just like it was for rush hour! And just like rush hour it would most likely break more things that DTG would take another 3 games to fix. We get a broken game with each new game anyway because they don't do enough testing of current DLC with each new game and then with a new game we also get the last one abandoned a broken mess! It's about time that DTG took the chance to use the core like they did with TSC so they can slow down in house add-ons and look at the game as a whole to get most of the issues fixed so that we can have a stable game and they can then have a virtually bug free platform for the next release which would improve trust from their player base and enable them to react quicker to bugs that pop up in new DLC's

 

If they release TSW5 and they havent bloody sorted the shadow pop in, shadows on rails and trees, cars and everything else ill scream.

 

Everyone wants to drop gen 8 but it’s not going to happen anytime soon due to a large amount of players still using those consoles, obsolete or not. Hell, even gen 9 is getting long in the tooth now, with 30 fps becoming more prevalent in games. If you’re going to dump gen 8, you might as well dump Series S as it also has serious hardware limitations. The very nature of consoles (fixed hardware platform) unfortunately means they simply cannot keep pace with current gaming technology, like RT and UE5 without severe compromises.

 

DTG should never release TSW4. Instead take the best from TSW2 and TSW3 and add it up to TSW5 (2+3). It's how it works. OMG, sorry, I am getting old.

 

Yes it’s a slippery slope. What if next year DTG decided to abandon support for Windows 10 when MS officially drop it, or increase the TSW specs beyond the potato PC’s many of us are still running.

 

Dropping hardware/OS versions is a difficult decision but, ultimately, it has to happen in the name of progress, assuming progress is seen to happen.

 

The only problem I have with it is downloading the entire game + dlc all over again.

 

This. At this point I have close to 300GB of DLC which is an absolute chore having to redownload annually...this is not counting all the mods which will become incompatible with TSW5. Those not on super-duper fast internet will feel this pain

I absolutely do not want TSW5...but I think we have all come to the realisation by now, we're going to be sitting here this time every year complaining of the same thing. I hope DTG finally work out a way of being able to import content from the previous iteration without needing to redownload everything....even if it just means downloading smaller patch files to make them compatible

 

I fully agree with that but DTG Greed bares no boundaries' all the time they are developing across platforms they are raking in the cash.
You see if you had a next Gen only version it would get rid of all those Bugs that is held in TWS4 & previous versions of the game because all the time you have a cross gen version the game is being made from NEW & OLD Software which leads to slow downs in frame rate & crashes & Despite many Graphical improvements from DTG its Still looking very last gen in places even on a next Generation Console.

 

I agree, as I've said in previous threads, developing content for PS4s and Xboxs of the same generation should be stopped as its holding back some progress. Having man power developing content for consoles of that generation is a waste of time that could be better spent elsewhere...

But I suppose DTGs argument would be, "Well, 50% of console players are still using previous generation consoles", which is other words is, they still generate a decent revenue which is capitalised on.

 

Bugs will always exist, whether last gen is present or not