PC Do You Like Driving The Hsts In Tsw? Do You Wish To Have More Of It?

In a couple fourms i have been in, I saw people suggesting more current/recent routes and trains more than the ones that are from like 2000 to maybe 2018?

I am a fan of the HSTs in real life and both the 2 route that each HSTs is provided in are a hit or miss. I personally dislike how that IF we just drove on those 2 routes (Aka GWE and MML) alone, its quite disappointing how we dont drive the HSTs in a longer distance. Apart from putting them and running them on the ECML. I personally would've love a route that give us a decent amount of coverage that is enough for the HSTs to fully stretch its legs. And a HST would've also been provided along with this said route.

But i am more so curious about what you think. Terms of just driving or even riding on the HST in TSW, do you enjoy or like the HSTs currently in TSW (at least only the HST sets alone)? And do you wish theres a better route we can run these things on? Or do you disagree and wish to drive more modern stock instead?

 

Yes, but...

1. The GWE HST needs updating so we can run with the cab doors open
2. We need a Paxman Valenta version of the HST.

It was noted that the original designer of the HST, Sir Kenneth Grange, passed away just a few days ago - after a great innings at 95 years old. It would be a fitting tribute to his legacy if DTG were to honour him with some sort of HST pack for TSW.

 

Exactly. Or hell even release a livery of 43001 in BR blue attached to a GWR set and earn some extra buck.

I agree the GWE HST need upgrade badly. I have only learn not long ago that originally the GWE route was meant to be FGW but was changed to GWR last second, the HST model was then rush to convert into GWR, at least from what i can see that proves this, the stickers on the GWE sets are placed wrong, the first class coach should have been facing the other end instead (the current placement of the first class carriage is wrong). Other issues such the gangway doors are completely missing and should be added and is able to close and open like on the MML sets, being able to use the guards panel on the mk3 carriages etc. Plus along with the class 166 its one of the first UK Trains ever made for TSW, feel like a upgrade should be given (unless they can finally regain that first group license).

and i believe the paxman valenta hst was the original engine the HSTs once carried correct? Could be useful in BR era routes.

 

Totally agree about the Pax Valenta HST.

 

I love how slowly the HSTs accelerate!

 

I'd certainly recommend the 1998 timetable for ECML, the only way i tend to drive the HST since the timetables release.
https://www.trainsimcommunity.com/mods/c3-train-sim-world/c111-timetables/i5008-ecml-1998-v14

 

I would like it if there was an improved version with suspension and an engine room, or at the very least an accessible guard compartment. If DTG ever do expert locos, perhaps an expert HST could be one. The coaches could also use improvements, for example the TRFB having the restaurant modelled, and the TGS having the guard compartment modelled.

I also would like to see the Intercity Swallow livery, I think it is the best looking one and most iconic.

The route itself I don't mind that much, if the HST was improved I would drive it anywhere.

 

I like driving the HST and love how long it takes to get to max speed. When we only had the GWR version and scenario planner came along I must have driven it on every route in the game at the time. I must remember to do that some more. I’d definitely like more of them in the game, especially an original version in the original livery and a nice long route to go with it, however unlikely that is to happen. Whilst there are many other trains I would like to have in TSW if another route with an HST at its heart was announced I would still be happy.

 

The HST is good to drive, I particularly like the EMT version the most though, it suites the livery and the engine is nice to listen to and the horn is amazing. I just wish the camera view was how it used to be, it’s too high up for me

 

This also, even the MML HST MK3s have a guards compartment somewhat modeled but we can never access it for some reason.
and this is something that i learn from my first and last ever trip on a cross country HST. I remember seeing a driver bringing a kid into the engine room and start up from there instead of using a start up button in the cab and apparently this was a more old fashion way to turn on a hst power car. if the engine room of the hst is is accessible and made, i really hope any developer would put this in as another way of starting up a HST.

 

I always liked the HST but feel like neither route they are on really allow them to meet their potential.

It would be great to see it appear again on new routes, especially in its 70s-80s BR form or Scotrail.

 

This is why it’s a great shame ECML wasn’t set back in the HST era. Although the route itself is pretty meargh, I just bought Newcastle to Edinburgh in the TSC Steam sale for JT products and taking a HST north of Newcastle with the AP Valenta sound mod, is a fine experience. Just ignore the cars not stopping at level crossings (oh hang on, we get that in TSW) and the somewhat abrupt gradient and curve transitions in a few places!

 

We do at least get a few HST services on it, if you own MML with the EMT HST. I think these are sort of fictional services using a "borrowed" unit (I guess the real ones don't run on that route), but it is the only route where the HST can really stretch its legs on the timetable.

MML is a good route but I do feel like it ends just when you feel like you're getting going, same with GWE.

 

Makes me want to go drive the HST...

 

I believe at some point EMT actually lend out their HST sets to Virgin East Coast/LNER before. I swear there are footage of it on youtube somewhere before.

Do it : )

yknow whats also nice. Exeter (or plymouth) to penzance so we actually get run along the wall with a HST set.

 

I like the HST but echo comments regarding the two routes we have with timetabled HST's are short. If MML had gone to Sheffield it would have given a much more satisfying run.

I would love a BR or early privatisation period route with a decent length run and a Paxman-Valenta HST

 

or better yet we can go to london st pancras on the MML (if thats too far shenfield is also fine, i am not familiar with the MML). For GWE, should've went all the way to Bristol or something, anywhere is better than ending at reading of all places.

 

Needs a proper route but I do like it. MML is great for 158 running but it’s a bit short for the HST. Would really like a long route to rip around on.

 

Rather than what we appear to be getting for TSW5, in some regards I would much have preferred something like Newcastle to Edinburgh with a Valenta HST.

 

The route cause of not having HSTs IMO is this obsession DTG have with having all their routes set in 2020+

They don’t even need to go back 20 years and you could still have modern stock but we could also get stuff that’s been pulled off the rails in the last decade. Desiros, Electrostars, pendolinos etc - all existed around things such as Pacers, HST’s, BR locos & so on.

I don’t get why DTG won’t even dial back the clock even a little, the best periods of UK rail have always been in the middle of phaseouts. Unique liveries on trains, cascading stock going where it would normally look bizarre, mixed traffic, rescue moves etc.

Not only does everyone get what they want (mostly) but the potential for diverse gameplay is incredible.

I think part of the problem is that DTG see it easier to stay in the era they’ve been in for the last few years, no need to make anything too different eventually, because the majority of the userbase will be happy it’s all AC ‘action’ & DTG don’t need to go hard on development when they can slap an IET & a Siemens or Bombardier down. We’re probably gonna see an 805/807 before a 220/221.

It’s gotten so bad that not only are we stuck in present day, but DTG don’t seem to want to mess with diesel either.

We’re stuck in a catch 22 because of licensing anything post BR, and DTG being petrified of releasing anything BR branded.

 

Agree completely, the ignored transition periods such as the mid to late 80s or early 2000s are hard to figure out, again the recent times have the withdrawal of the pacer. All richer in variety.

 

I would enjoy more HST's, but I'd like to see something in the Intercity Swallow time period. In my opinion that was one of the most handsome paint schemes worn by them.

 

I do like the TSW HSTs especially the MML ones, as they were brilliant when we had them in real life for periods, and although the GWE one needs work they are both enjoyable to take for spins on PBO-DON. They do need a dedicated route to stretch their legs a bit more though.

Yes had them various times over the years.

 

yea... i do wonder why we cant have more route being within that similar time frame. I do wonder are they able to do TOCs that are decased now like virgin west coast, as in the one in black and red. And then somehow back date the WCML haha.

Or what like everybody said. A BR era HST sounds like a great idea. I have never heard the sounds of a Valenta engine before. Only engines i have ever heard was the MTU one lol.

 

Virgin will not give out licences. Even TSC had to remove Virgin branded items (the Pendolino and other stock) and had to delist routes which contained the branded trains/stock (North Wales Coastal + extension).

As for the HSTs, I love driving them in both TSW and TSC but TSW lacks a very long route to give it a good thrashing. Paddington to Reading was ok for an older route.
We definitely need a Valenta HST so we can hear the scream.

 

What is needed is an extension of the MML down to Bedford, plenty of fast running and a handful of stations.

 

That also. Or really any extension on the MML is better than nothing-

 

Banana HST livery
Has this been made in creators club?
Not enough HST in the game IMO. I hope they add playable service on EDG and Fife eventually.

Yeah I’d welcome that. Give the ole girl some more distance to stretch her legs.

 

I always love to drive HST, both GWR and EMT versions. However GWE and MML are a bit short for HST, PBD is long enough but we only have 3 service in timetable. Hope that GWE can be extended to Swindon or even further (unlikely due to license issue), MML to Sheffield, see this in PBD

or see this

this would be awesome

HST deserves a long enough route to stretch their legs.

 

Neither of the HST routes are long enough. We need a route like the ICE got given in Germany.

 

I have seen quite some creation of these on creators club. however i prefered to download sole power cars so that I could use a custom formation to somewhat get a closer representation to the mk3 consist that the HST sometimes pull.

Exactly. (i cant tell where the location in the 3rd picture is. Is it cardiff or plymouth?). I heard Rivet/DTG did try and add a 4 car HST consist in one of the scotrail routes i cant remember which one. Feel like they shouldve asked them to make the scotrail 4 and 5 car HST. (And about time we get a complete scotrail fleet). As well as the LNER Class 43. However i am unsure how can this ever be possible due to timing with the current ECML taking place after retirement of the HST. And for the intercity swallow i have heard quite a lot of people mentioning it saying that their engine sounds are "music to their ears" and i am interested will that ever be added in TSW. Big chance it will just be made by Just Trains because for some reason non of the other devolopers are allowed to make locos because TOCs hates DTG and 3rd parties.