Upcoming Us Content (train And Route) Guesses + Opnions If We Get Tsw5?

Would beg to differ! If done properly on a carefully chosen route it can be quite absorbing. Otherwise explain how Run 8 is so popular when 99% of the focus is on the freight side of things. What DTG need to do to make freight more interesting is abandon the fixed scenario/timetable style which doesn't quite fit with the more random traffic flows, but look at how Run 8 (or Railroader, minus the economic element) do it. Mixture of switching, local traffic, sorting cars at the hump yard and main line runs. Make it your railway to manage.

 

I agree think even DTG is setting expectation bar too high for the sound s ..def agree ppl need to lower the expectation s bar some on NA freight or its not going to happen ,it putting things between a rock and a hard place for DTG and the future for freight in general . Ive started playing TSC lately even though the sounds are far from perfect and could use some improvemet..and the generic scheme locomotives that in place of licensed stuff it s not that bad im fine with it.

 

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I recently got the West Palm Miami route for TSC bought on sale the F40 ph C thats in a quasi Tri Rail scheme so i can run run a few tri rail scenarios i have no problem with playing as generic scheme right now im enjoying TSC s NA content more than TSW s better stuff for what it is kinda sad to hve to say that ..since TSW cant take NA freight forward

 

I've always thought sound quality a bit of a red herring myself where NA freight is concerned. It is not like DTG ever asked a discrete question about what would be preferred, a route with low quality sounds or no route at all. People seem to make statements about sound issues for British and German routes, but they keep getting produced. Perhaps not to the same degree. Sometimes it can feel like fans of NA freight got penalized just for wanting stuff to sound right. Although, I do agree to a certain extent that the community can be a little too fixated on issues like this from time to time.

 

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/audio-is-it-a-deal-breaker-for-you.80892/

 

In terms of "New" Locomotives, the closes we will be getting is the Metrolink mp36ph witch i hope isn't some reskin of the Caltrain version. Cause the devs showed it off i believe back in march this year on their stream. I'd personally like if they replaced the Mp36ph for a F59. Just so we can actually have something new.

 

Honestly it is, 90% of train sim games that try to involve American base train/routes always involve Freight after freight content constantly witch i find annoying and boring. Plus with TSW freight usually isn't good the sounds are always bad, even with mods. It's poorly done. That's just me though.

 

It's been stated that the Metrolink Mp36 is a new model, not reused from the Caltrain one

 

Okay sound is preventing us for getting new US freight. Then why we get german stuff anymore? Or are the Sounds of TRAXX 3, Talent 1, Desiro Diesel and so on perfect?

 

It's preventing me from getting US freight routes. Some may agree some don't, and i don't pay mind to freight for other countries so i wouldn't know if they are good or not. That's just me though.

 

NEC Providence NY Penn 180 miles if they decided to rebuild it then NEC Trenton-Boston broken down as 227 BOS-NYP 58 Trenton NYP.
NJ Transit RVL or Morris & Essex Lines Dover/Gladstone to NY Penn/Hoboken. M&E main line and Gladstone Branch merges at Summit J45 I-78 Exit US version Exit 45 Summit.

 

Sound does not appear to be an issue with TSC, nor does there seem any barrier to putting out vintage routes. We have Alco’s, Baldwins, old GE’s, the B&O, Springfield Line. Obviously most done by third parties but if they can put the effort in, why can’t DTG for TSW?

 

I just wish they could fix all the broken stuff on the US content we have man.

 

Ya amazing a fair amount of people are going back to TSC for NA freight im new to it but i hvent played TSW 4 since i got TSC except to check out the remastered cathcart circle up grade since i owned the old route and free upgrade. Except for a few broken scenarios and glitches ive completed most of the NA freight content and ready for more but since that train seems to be still at the station and no departure time ..also if ppl think running NA trains is boring i dont know what to tell you except to ask what WOULD make running a NA freight train fun for you...

 

here is my stance on if TSW 5 or whatever it s happens ..I will watch the direct on Aug 20th see what the have to say , and will have a keen eye and ear on the NA side of things esp any word on freight content for NA in TSW 5 .In my opinion DTG needs to make it happen with NA freight improvements during TSW 5 cycle i m thinking i wilk not purchase any future TSW game until this happens ..tired of the excuses im going to sound like a hardnosed cigar chomping boss here ..but no more excuses i expect results hunker down get to work and pour effort into it IT CAN BE DONE...

 

Agree, also please be the full route, not a half route which was a huge mistake for the South Eastern Harlem Line Route

 

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To add a bit more maybe to start give us some new freight locos and rolling stock etc then add some remastered freight routes AKA clinchfield ,and Sand Patch be best ones to start with since they are DTG routes have a modern CSX layer in Clinchfield and Maybe classic Late Chessie System early CSX era layer added to Sand Patch..maybe eventually remaster all NA freight routes and New freight routes or routes that have Passenger and Freight both

 

Matt is remastering clinchfield in his free time but it's a while away

 

TBF, the sounds are still terrible for some of the stock, its just the 3rd party devs dont care.

You can watch alot of videos by Schnauzahpowahz and how much he complains about the sounds.

 

Also i would like to remind everyone espcially ppl on here from other countries going to say what needs to be understood...Freight is BIGGG ...business here in NA Passenger is only big where there is major commuter operations mainly NYC Philadelphia NJ Boston along the north east major cities. Amtrak NEC ,,Chicago and La San Fransisco seattle on west coast those are the biggest there a few smaller by comparison commuter operations ..but freight rules the rails in most places other than maybe 1 amtrak service or so each way on some lines ..for DTG to ignore NA freight content is insane or others that think it sould be dropped or not be a more important. Status in TSW is insane..i live in NA and freight being in TSW and others is VERY IMPORTANT to me ..the passenger side is fine but its this freight issue that DTG needs to not ignore and put lots more attention too..

 

They can't make something they don't have access to which is the main challenge of freight. Dtg can't record freight locos or take photos or anything

 

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think its a poor excuse that DTG gives about photos and sounds. They need to find other ways ..you mean to tell me all the info photos videos anyone can find on internt they couldnt do it that way on top of books and magazines i have a book here about GE d8 locomotives has loads of roster shots of the various models inside and out detailed inside of cab shots ..TSC has lots of older and newer US diesels how can do it in TSC but not for TSW DTG even has U30b they designed years ago on WP enhanced why could DTG have U30b in TSW makes no sense..why cant DTG find ppl in NA to help them on freight there are prob lot s that would help them get access to photos etc i think DTG is setting their standard a bit too high expecting to get all this access if anything companies everywhere wont give many access

 

Completely agree with you. Especially if we're remembering at the start of TSW with SPG. It was announced as the future of train simulations.

 

Freight is indeed big business here, but that doesn't automatically make freight simulation big business for DTG. They have the actual sales and usage numbers; we don't.

Remember, Matt loves NA freight also and will be championing it himself, but if the numbers work against it, there's not much he can do.

Regarding pictures, DTG has talked about the insane number of photos they take from every possible angle and distance when they have access. I don't see how they could remotely guide a third party to get all that. And any pre-existing third party pictures they do use would also have to have the rights negotiated.

Sounds are similarly complex. Fastening mics all over the place and running the trains at various speeds, plus starting and stopping. It's difficult and expensive to do when the RR cooperates, and obviously impossible when they don't.

It's very easy to call reasons excuses, but that doesn't make it so.

 

after playing TSC and the variety of older newer locomotive s electric s steam they have the UP big boy Challenger etc..TSW steam failed in it..it kinda pitiful that a 15 year old TSC has more NA content cars locos and TSW cant have it ..

 

honest i hardly any issues with most of the sound in TSW or the looks and visual quality of locos i just think expectations are being set too high from both sides

 

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hey dont seem to have any issues getting sounds for all thos 1 handled EMU DMUs they keep shovling on us ..if we got half as much new NA freight content it be great...lol

 

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and why does all this seem to be the biggest issue with just NA freight .tired of hearing how boring it is like NA freight made to be the most boring thing in TSW .it s B.S whats so exciting about all those 1 handeled EMU DMU over NA freight or is it because NA freight not fast enough for you or you cant handle running a big high tonnage freight train up and down steep grades is the braking system too complicated ,,too lazy to switch freight yards manually throw switches sorry thats how NA trains work thats whats real what do people expect from it .

 

That's because you're not making a fair comparison. The companies in the uk and Germany are much more open and allow dtg to come and record trains. Or they have staff who can record trains in their backyard. There's also various parties like armstrong dtg can buy sounds from if they can't record the specific loco.

That's not the case for the us. The us freight companies don't allow dtg to come and record. Dtg can't just enter the property without warning to get reference materials. There's also limited options for dtg to buy sounds from.

 

Well, the way I see it is rather different. For the first few years of TSW, DTG and partners had no problem building US freight routes, starting with the flagship SPG. Suddenly the ability to build freight routes has disappeared? More likely the personnel to build them has disappeared.

And what of all the freight locos that DTG has in its back catalog? Are they suddenly unavailable? I don't think most US fans care if the sounds are not perfect. Bring them back.

And if the Class 1 roads are problematic, talk to the many Class 2's and 3's.

With US freight, where there's a will there's a way.

The way seems entirely within reach. I think it's the will that's lacking.

 

Maybe the personnel have gone, maybe the licenses they had have been used, maybe the licenses haven't all been used but sales haven't justified continuing. We have no idea. More specifics from DTG would be nice, but that might fall under proprietary business information also.

I agree, Class 2s and 3s would be cool, and their equivalents from elsewhere in the world. They would probably offer some interesting variety.

But what I keep coming back to is, if it was as easy or viable as it seems, it would happen. It's not happening, therefore it's either not as easy or not as viable as it seems, or both.

 

The problem is Class 2's and 3's may also be strict too.

Matt has stated that the G&W (Who owns a good chunk of shortlines in the US) already refused licensing. The FEC also rejected help in the past too.

DTG also burned their bridge with Searchlight Simulations, so they can't get sounds from them either.

 

My guess for the upcoming U.S. route could be NJ Transit's Morristown Line Dover- Hoboken-New York-Gladstone or Metro North's Hudson Line from Grand Central to Poughkipsie

 

The new US route with TSW5 is not San Bernardino Line?

 

Matt has said he likes NA freight but he prob the only 1 at DTG that likes ,he wont have much pull if he the only 1 there that give any hoot for NA freight

 

Well, since TSW5 hasn't been officially announced yet, the door to speculation is still ajar. However, spoiler alert, the new US route with TSW5 is SBD. But, this thread was created for guesses and opinions, so fanciful wishes and impossible dreams are in no short supply. It is indicative of how the community wants anything besides what they already know they are going to get.

 

another thing couldn,t DTG use more AI to replicate sound s if cant get access to record even have AI create the trains if cant get photo access ,with the technology advancement s youd figure theyd look into that as another way to do it.

 

i kinda figured that ..that pitiful NA got shafted in TSW 4 if this is true my confidence has lowerd more ..this whole thing with TSW NA just gets more sour by the minute i might just send TSW to the train boneyard and go elsewhere .all this just reeks more and more .

 

I partially think San Bernadino will release as the last NA TSW4 route since it was announced months in advance of TSW5. This may be a route that will soon be compatible with TSW5. I guess TSW4 rush hour is not an option now since TSW4 is leaving gamepass shortly.

 

DTG acquired RUN8, and DUN8 are all American routes, hahahaha.

 

Ai isn't the solution to anything. Even that makes mistakes or the quality isn't great. What happens if ai models a certain model wrong. That means dtg have to remake the whole thing which would become expensive. Ai can help but it doesn't take over. Look at msfs that also used some sort of ai and even that got many things wrong

 

Ya got to have more EMU DMU little dinky Kiddie trains easy for the kiddies to operate ..they cant handle the big trains

 

what happened between searchlight and DTG

 

I ask myself, how is Asobo and their 3rd parties do develop MSF? Let the airlines them into the cockpits of 747, 380 and so on for getting the sound? And what is about the external sound of the jet engines? So I think there should not be the all or nothing decision for american freight on the getting the 100 % authentic sound question. Btw are the samples from the loco cab the absolute guarantee for getting the real sounds.

 

Lmao so now we're doing pissing contests over video-game trains?

Who are the kiddies in this scenario? Jfc

 

From what I remember, a while ago someone at DTG offered to buy sounds from SS, but lowballed the offer and SS took offense to that and refused to help DTG with TSW sounds after that.

 

Its prob just another one of their excuses you wonder if something else is going on here ,all this is begining to seem fishy to me maybe they just really dont want to do anymore NA freight or they have it out against it seem not long after focous took over DTG the Na freight content has stalled out...i noticed too other than the 2 freight paks for UK routes freight is gotten stagnat in TSW over all the german routes have the most..other wise all we get is lots of passenger content little EMU DMU type stuff or Db electric got 1 german diesel that 218.the Na we got Antelope valley A F125 in real life not many were built not a high seller in the real RR world and we got LIRR 2 rehashed route with a small extension and you got it another EMU stlye trains to drive

 

I like Diesel Locomotives Freights and Passengers with Route

The AMTRAK EMD F59PHI with ALSTOM Cab Car in some CA Route

The DLC CN GMD GP40-2LW in Toronto Route or New CN Route

The LIRR DM30AC and DE30AC with C3 Cab Car in other New LIRR Route

NS GE ET44AC in some Atlanta Route

UP EMD SD70ACET4 DLC or New UP Route

 

Unfortunately out of all these diesels onky the amtrak surfliner has the most chance .would have been nice if we could have gotten the LIRR diesel in LIRR 2.0 noooooo just EMU s..the others prob never cause cant get 100 pct real sound acess acording to DTG the CN loco its avail for TSC if you have a PC they have the CN yellowhead route the game is 15 years old but miles better for NA content old and new it even has steam