Class 158 Discussion Thread

There's a new timetable that has the 158 substituting a few glasgow-edinburgh and Dunblane services

 

Do they have any 158 a.i services running to anniesland, Perth, etc??

 

Thanks, but no change to the 358 timetable? Would have been a great chance to change the stopping pattern for rush hour services.

 

Just downloaded the DLC. And as please as I am with the model the new EDB-GLQ timetable is awful. It doesn’t include any of the Class 66 Engineering Express and RHTT Services (which were sold as DLC) or the Class 314 Railtour. And, GLQ still feels like a ghost town, with nowhere near enough AI services and no 380 presence. EDB is better including some of the Fife services, but none of the Dundee or Perth services are included, and none of the services onto the Fife circle use the 170+158 combo. Real shame. Hopefully the new Fife timetable will be better.

 

That's disappointing I was going to purchase this tonight but will probably wait for the Leven branch update to come first.

 

That’s what I’m doing.

 

What add-on is this using? The 158 or 380?

 

Bit of a fan of the 158 seeing as the TfW ones are what run round my way. Have enjoyed giving the new one a go. Although did spot some magical mystery doors on the PS4. Obviously a glitch which will be fixed in an update. Intriguing that they disappear if you get too close.

 

I'm going to assume the new timetable doesn't have any 170s or GWR HSTs at Queen Street either then?

 

Nope. For some reason not. There is the occasional GWR HST, but no 170s to be seen. Despite both of these being present in Edinburgh. Also, there are no 158 timetable journeys out of GLQ not bound for EDB. Only EDB -> Dunblane and EDB -> GLQ (plus their returns). This means no services to Alloa, Stirling, Anniesland, etc are playable (except one scenario from Stirling to Queen St). Honestly I was hoping this would breathe some life into the EDN route but it’s hardly an improvement outside of Edinburgh.

 

Downloaded it this morning. Was very impressed with the 158, exterior and interior wise. The moving PIS board in the interior is so clear and impressive.

There seems to be a lot of criticism around the timetable, but I will say I'm personally finding it okay, it's nice to see the route alot busier, particularly around Edinburgh and Haymarket depot. The only minor criticism I do have is Glasgow Queen Street could be a little busier and the destination boards were not showing correctly for some of the off map locations for AI services. However, after running my first service and getting the feel on how to drive the 158 on the route, on arrival at Queen Street it was a pleasant surprise to see a HST set waiting to depart. The route felt very bare before Skyhook implemented their timetable and I was really appreciative to see more frequent trains coming in the opposite direction and making the route feel alot busier. Overall I feel it was completely worth the money and pads the Edinburgh to Glasgow service quite nicely.

There seems to be some criticism around not implementing other driveable stock in the new timetable, like the 170 & 385, but I feel this criticism is unfair and these are Rivets products to sort out... The 158 add on was really just to add the 158 to the EG timetable. I'm appreciative that Skyhook have attempted to pad the timetable with AI, but I feel the whinging about utilising other stock on driveable player services is unfair as they are not Skyhooks products to be implementing a driveable timetable for. I'm also appreciative that the 158 has been implemented on the Edinburgh to Glasgow line as it give the 158 a nice section of track to stretch its legs properly and get upto full speed. It was also nice to finally see some HSTs at Haymarket that really made a difference and looked really good!

Some minor criticism I have for both Skyhooks 158, and more so Rivet, is the lack of depot services in and out of Haymarket and being able to start a service from Haymarket or bring an ECS service in for stabling. Eastfiled has a few services, but Haymarket seems to get left out. Another note is the GSMR seems to not be working but only making the distinctive beeping activation sound. It is just a small issue that needs resolving.

Another problem with the immersion around Glasgow Queen Street is the lack of 'ambient commuter sounds' that leave the station feeling very quiet with no noises. (But this is for Rivet to implement and sort out)

Overall I'm very impressed with Skyhooks 158 and a big well done to the team. I also know for sure Skyhook will implement some updates and improvements in time from any feed back.

The next chapter is seeing it implemented in the Fife Circle Line once the Leven Branch is released. So looking forward to that too!

 

This is a brightness glitch. If you press the “increase brightness” button twice, the GSMR lights up and can be seen. Must be a glitch with the TOD4 lighting and ambient occlusion.

 

Thanks for this I too was hoping it would make th timetable overall busier.

To clarify there are no Glasgow to Edinburgh class 158 services.

Are the class 385 the same as before or are there more as I believe the original timetable was a COVID timetable, although I might be imagining things?

 

Just to clarify there are full Edinburgh to Glasgow runs amongst the timetable using the 158.

 

Thanks, presumably in both directions?

 

What a letdown, guess I'll be waiting for the Levenmouth branch to come out before I get the 158.

I don't even want drivable services, just a busier E-G route with more variety in AI rolling stock! 158s and 170s are still commonly running on the line.

 

Annisland services would be AI, FWIW.

 

Hi Everyone,
Thanks for the excitement and interest in our new Class 158 DLC. We are noting all the feedback for review.

WRT the timetable, attached is a detailed insight into what is running around in the current version.
WRT why there are no ECS moves around Haymarket Depot. This location is currently problematic, largely preventing its use. We are talking to Rivet about this alongside coordination of the Leven expansion.
Maybe worth noting, the default timetable provides 236 drivable and 247 AI services. The Sprinter version provides 287 drivable and 500 AI services.

 

I'm assuming the 380 was part of the scope when the timetable was constructed?

 

While I do understand the lack of Haymarket involvement, I can't help but feel a huge missed potential here.

Edinburgh and Queen Street could be really busy with what we have; 380/385 Shotts/Carstairs and North Berwick/Dunbar services, 158/170 Dundee, Borders, Anniesland and Inverness services, and so forth.

It's better than the original no doubt but not reaching it's potential, imo. The only ScotRail train missing in TSW is the 334 and the only others missing are the 800, 220/221 and 390 - all ignorable.

A bit disappointing having seen Dovetail's effort on Cathcart.

 

Thank you for replying and communicating this across as it really gives me and others a understanding of why certain things don't work at the moment. I look forward to any tweaks or updates in the future! The 158 is superb.

Also, in reply to people moaning about some of the lack of AI, I feel personally, it does come across quite ungrateful. Yes you are paying for a product, and you're getting that product. But, the whole timetable did not have to be implemented at all, it could of just been left as a 158 and 385, but we were lucky enough to get AI that makes the route feel alive that didn't have to be done at all and we could of been left with Rivets shambles and untouched route... Give Skyhook time, we all know what they achieve in future updates. If the route is fantastic now, with future updates I can only imagine what else might happen!

Edinburgh looks so good with this new timetable and is not a dead quiet station like it use to be, with no railway traffic... It now has appropriate AI and has a good feel about.

So thank you Skyhook for giving EG the potential it has always deserved!

 

I will be getting this anyway so I might as well get it tonight. I like the Edinburgh to Glasgow route but the timetable always seemed lacklustre. From what Lucazone has posted it looks like a significant improvement with hopefully some more improvements to come.

I would have liked to have seen the RHTT and the engineering express included.

 

Is it released on steam yet, I know it's always delayed compared to console release.

 

Hiya,
As indicated in the above attachment, Anniesland and Inverness services are implemented.
North Berwick, Dunbar and Tweedbank service patterns were researched and planned, but operate from the east side of Edinburgh Waverley(?) which is not accessible to the player. So their addition would not affect how busy the west side feels.
Dundee and Perth services are on my to do list
Looking at RTT again, there are 27 services towards Glasgow Central, are these the missing Shotts/Carstairs ones?
Additionally from RTT, I cannot find any 380s operating between E and G. Can you let me know what services they should be covering?
I think its the lack of the Class 334 causing the biggest gap now. They do cover a fair portion of movements to the west of Edinburgh.
Cheers

 

Absolutely chuffed with the response from SkyHook, I'll end up getting the 158 because I still want it for a better railscene and have a weakness for local rolling stock.

Regarding the 380: Yeah, no. They no longer run up to Waverley anymore. The Edinburgh - Glasgow services via Shotts and Carstairs are all served by 385s nowadays. The 380 might still do the occasional service to North Berwick and Dunbar, but I think those are all 385s too.

Really do hope the talks with Rivet go well and they pull a rabbit out of the hat with Haymarket Depot. Getting Haymarket Depot opened up with playable ECS services would improve the Fife Circle and E-G route drastically!

 

Fantastic!
Thank you Luca!
One last thing. Any chance of getting some railtour and RHTT services to run up and down the line, or some of the Engineering Express drag runs? Definitely a missed opportunity, unless of course, it's tricky as not Skyhooks stuff?

 

Noted for consideration

 

Great job with the 158 LucaZone! Just a little too clean in the passenger area. Maybe a slightly darker interior would have been better, like 170. But they're just small details! I noticed some small bugs, perfectly solvable. If some extra service will added (maybe some RHTT etc...) I'll definitely consider purchasing it! But only when Leven Branch comes out! Again, good job!
EDIT- Small bug found:
- GSM R (the service code doesn't appear and screen turns on only if brightness is increased manually).
- No smoke/heat effects from exhausts!
- No door opening sound and the closing one should last a little longer.
- The PIS on the front scrolls too fast, Imo.

 

By putting GWR HSTs in there, you've actually recreated an era (2017-18) when the 380s were still being used . The HSTs started moving up to Scotland in late 2017, when the 380s were still covering for the 385s, which didn't come into service until 2018. But then it can't be then as Abellio were the franchise holder...
You're just out to cause confusion!

But on another note, would love the 334 in the game. Ideal for Edinburgh end, but also, get that painted in SPT livery and it can go on Cathcart Circle for some retro services with the 314.

 

Missed the Anniesland ones, my bad. I take it the "North of Edinburgh" 801s are the Inverness services?

Fair enough, just thought I'd throw it in.

I would think so, yes. The Carstairs line is more infrequent. Looking at RTT (from Carstairs) -:
3 To Glasgow Central
2D37 07:39 (dep Haymarket, 07:43)
1D53 10:20 (dep Haymarket, 12:24)
1D57 17:49 (dep Haymarket, 17:53)

3 To Edinburgh
2Y94 07:05 (arr Edinburgh 08:26)
1C54 09:43 (arr Edinburgh 11:00)
1C52 19:45 (arr Edinburgh 21:01)

RTT shows these as being pathed as 380s, but currently operated by 385s. All services go from Glasgow to Waverley. Bearing in mind the currently reduced timetable, there could be more but I don't think there are.

2D37 forms 1C54, 1D57 forms 1C52.

As for Shotts, it seems to just be a standard half-hourly service starting with the 05:52 from Edinburgh and ending with the 22:59 from Edinburgh, so about 32/33 services each way, i'd think. (Looking at Shotts' RTT data - the times are from Edinburgh). These look to be 385 paths and 385 operated.

Seems I may have relied a bit too much on my own experience (commonly using 380s to/from Edinburgh) there but the Carstairs pathing leaves it open, I suppose. There's always an excuse

 

Great job with the 158 it's looking great keep up the good work

 

I think these are now permanently 385s since the timetable change.

 

Steam version is now live

https://store.steampowered.com/app/...d_4_ScotRail_BR_Class_158_Sprinter_DMU_AddOn/

 

Took a look at the price US$ and decided this was a sale purchase.

 

Two bits of feedback on PC version.
As a passenger on a train I can't seem to walk between units. The gangways are open but I can not walk through to the next unit.
Also, as I mentioned on Skyhook's page, I believe the internal PIS has an error.
Example. "This is Barrhead, where this train will terminate."
I noticed this on preview streams. On each occasion the train was not at its final destination.
It should read something like "This service/train is for Barrhead, where this train will terminate".

 

Without uninstalling 214 GB of data, can't uninstall the dlc individually on PS4 but, installed over the top of the dlc and it's still the same mystery doors on both my 158 and the ai 158 next door.

UPDATE: Only happens in the gangway/join between cars 1 and 2 on a 2 car and between cars 1 and 2 and between cars 3 and 4 on a 4 car but, not between cars 2 and 3.

 

Not got it yet but again just want to credit skyhook from an engagement point of view.

 

Love that you are looking into and trying to update the timetable. The only thing I feel is really missing are the Class 66 services included in both the RHTT and Engineering Express DLCs. Especially since these DLCs are payed add-ons to the route, that don't work with this new (and improved) timetable. Other than that, the 158 is an excellent unit, and its potential on Fife Circle (from the existing scenarios) is very exciting. The only current issues are the GSMR Brightness Glitch, lack of exhaust fumes and lack of door opening sounds (door closing sounds are present, just not opening), however I trust these will all be patched.

 

I feel this is another Skyhook low effort DLC, with MML bugs carried over (no smoke emitters, and maybe the wrong exterior weathering glass material for the gauges again.)

What have they done?
HSC - using modified DTG locos and borking them (lighting, sounds, Indy brake setup bug (hissing)

CCR - using modified DTG locos, managing to flip a bogie 180° into the wrong position. Feedback ignored. Easy to build route with almost no signalling and single track.

DB 187: lame attempt based on a DTG 185 and completely borked, abandoned and released unfinished

MML - using modified DTG HST that took almost a year to fix easy issues like the cablight or gauges in darkness. Cab textures still lo res. The 158, their first own work, no smoke emitters, windows don't fully open. Interior textures changed to hi res after almost a year. Route issues were fixed by a modder, smoke emitters taken away from Ratcliffe and tracks at Toton and Ratcliffe being removed.

Cargo packs: Reused 66, changed textures, questionable brake on Petroleum (see how long there's airflow indicated after releasing the brakes even on a short train)

ScotRail 158: basically a repaint with some changes on the model. Bugs carried over. Not "a ton of work".

GSMR apparently not displaying service number, so not working. In TSC's AP 158 I can properly register by entering service number and signal. TSW is too weak for this.

I feel like Rivet are doing much more and unique stuff on their own, and strongly oppose the Rivet haters. Skyhook haven't really done much of their own compared to Rivet.

Comparing the ScotRail 158 to TSG's 218, Maik Goltz could have easily and rightfully charged €25 for the 218. Worlds apart.

I might get the 158 but only when on a heavy sale, as I feel it's not worth more than 7 Euros.

 

just taken a 4 car unit for a run.. absolutely loving having new life breathed into EDI-GLA and having a nice unit to run around with in a properly curated timetable ... loves it!!

 

Please make the Class 334 Next, we Need it as well

 

I'm glad to see this released but I'm afraid this one is going to sit on my Steam wishlist for either a sale or for a route to come out that uses it more comprehensively. Perhaps if/when the Leven extension happens (assuming that the timetable for that is significantly better than the original, disappointing Fife Circle timetable).

The pricing is just a bit too punchy for me for a loco that can mostly already drive - maybe this would have been different if it had come with a bomb-proof new timetable for Edinburgh-Glasgow or Fife Circle but the feedback on that appears to be a bit disappointing so far. You'd have probably parted me with my cash at £8.99 or so - appreciate everyone will have a different view.

As an aside, and I really don't seek to cast aspersions by saying this, but it's interesting that this has released without a preview stream of any kind (unless I missed it). I've seen the YT videos but not the same.

 

One other piece of feedback for the DLC is the speed limits don't seem set up correctly on the EDB-GLQ route. This might be Rivet's problem, not Skyhook, but the speed limits don't take into account the Class 158's 90mph top-speed, which means you can exceed that without loosing any point or speeding. It also doesn't take into account the Sprinter-only speed boards. Most notably the bridge between Linlithgow and Edinburgh Park which has an 80mph restriction, or 90mph for sprinter units (as can be seen on the speed board). Yet the game considers travelling at 90mph in the 158 in that sections as a speeding fault, for which you loose points (AP). This could probably do with being fixed in a patch, since it makes the speed limits confusing and incorrect.

 

Does anyone know why when you go into new timetable on Glasgow Edinburgh why not all add on show up. Thinking specifically of rhtt and other 66 services. They only appear on the original timetable?

 

Was about to ask the same! I hope it’s just a mistake. Would be crazy to leave all those other add ons out!

 

Should just get rid of the "where this train terminates" bit entirely until the final stop. It's completely unrealistic.

 

I have to say, I'm impressed with the Scotrail 158. Looks good and drives well. Hopefully with the Leven extension and further improvements to the Fife circle, it will further enhance this route too. Looked at the timetable for E&G and at first I was confused with the diesels and electric running the same routes, Edinburgh didn't seem that busy too, but having played it later it sort of makes sense. Good to see a timetable extension to midnight too, although that should have been picked up by Rivet much sooner. Great to see Skyhook looking at the feedback though to improve things.

Is it worth £12.99? I understand the value in the time and work put into this, so yes, but it will be worth even more when integrated into the Fife circle. RECOMMENDED

 

I decided not to wait and having had a run on the Edinburgh to Glasgow route I think it will prove to be worth the £12.99. As with the MML one it is nicely modelled and sounds good.

It has bought some much needed variety to Edinburgh to Glasgow and the new timetable is certainly busier. It is nice to see the route through a larger windscreen rather than the narrow one on the 385. I also felt than Edinburgh was still quieter that it would be.

I will probably drive it more on FCL when the updated timetable and the Leven branch comes out but it has livened up Edinburgh to Glasgow and gives us a very different train to drive than the 385.

The only bug I have found so far is that they unit number wasn't displayed in the cab, it might have been something peculiar to my installation, I will see if it is still doing it over the weekend.

 

In the training module the PIS says something like, "This train is Not in Service, where this train terminates."
However, I took it for a couple of spins in the timetable then bashed an HST from Glasgow to Wonderland Junction. Very nice.
One question: where is the driver's buzzer button?