This is the Master Feedback Thread for the ScotRail Class 158. Please keep all discussions only related to feedback. Please provide the game platform you are using in any comments for feedback! Gameplay Guides (including layer requirements): Edinburgh - Glasgow Gameplay Guide Cathcart Circle Line Gameplay Guide Fife Circle Line Gameplay Guide
The GSM does work but you have to increase the brightness on it, however no service number is there. On PS5. Also on the Sprinter timetable on Edinburgh-Glasgow, the extra services (Railtours, rescue runs etc) aren't included.
I don't know if it's an issue with Free Roam as it has happened with other rolling stock but when you spawn in a ScotRail 158 and EMT 158. You can couple them together but they won't move under any circumstances (PS5)
I just did a test in the training center in free roam mode with both EMT and SCR 158 and it works: PS: I’m on PS5 like you
I'll try on Training Centre. I did initially on Cathcart Circle Edit: Just tried it again and nothing. All brakes and DRAs are off, the train powers up and then stays there.
Ok, So just decided to give the 158 a drive on Cathcart Circle, doing 5A36, for the GSM you have to click the activate button, you'll hear it beep. Then press the brightness button to maximum. You'll then have it working and it'll show you the service code, so it seems Edinburgh to Glasgow is an issue for it.
Hiya, Thanks for the feedback. We are taking note and reviewing. WRT coupling of units, TrainSimulatorDriver on YouTube has kindly already created a video over this topic here:
So, 3 observations on the time table thusfar: 1) Where are the freight and other services from the original SC (particularly as the Class 66 ONE add on was for this route)? 2) Surely the HST is part of the 7 city network so why is that not a driveable layer? 3) There are 2 Class 800 services a day that I know of that do go to Glasgow from Edinburgh (8-ish am and 10-ish pm) why are these not in or drivable? This seems a little half-hashed to me and could have easily been implemented with the stock we have given that Glasgow still looks half empty and the freight dept is still empty at Glasgow end. Two inadequate timetables with differing inadequacies seems a bit bonkers to me!
Yep the couple issue was my end, I wasn't putting the reverser into neutral before pressing the couple button so the train didn't know how to act. So that's sorted at least haha
Hiya, Thanks for the feedback. The 16 non-Class385 services in the default timetable (consisting of two Railtour runs in the Class 314, two Railtour runs in the Class 37; one Railtour in the Jubilee; one RHTT service; four Seacow runs; and, six Class 385 drags) are implemented with artistic license, so we did not feel compelled to include them. They are of course still present in the default timetable. The HST services in reality do not stop anywhere along the E2G line after departing E or G, so their implementation is an attempt to reflect reality. Please let us know what the two Class 801 services are that operate E2G, so we can note them for possible future inclusion. Cheers
Hello Adam, The LNER services which would be featured in the timetable that run along the E2G line are as follows: S/B: 1E03 STG-KGX - drivable from Polmont Jn (05:50) to Edinburgh (06:18) - Realtime Trains | 1E03 0534 Stirling to London Kings Cross *1E06 GLC-KGX - drivable from Haymarket (07:46) to Edinburgh (07:52) - Realtime Trains | 1E06 0648 Glasgow Central to London Kings Cross* 1E13 INV-KGX - drivable from Polmont Jn (10:51) to Edinburgh (11:15) - Realtime Trains | 1E13 0755 Inverness to London Kings Cross N/B: 1W16 KGX-INV - drivable from Edinburgh (16:33) to Polmont Jn (16:55) - Realtime Trains | 1W16 1200 London Kings Cross to Inverness 1W22 KGX-STG - drivable from Edinburgh (19:27) to Polmont Jn (19:50) - Realtime Trains | 1W22 1500 London Kings Cross to Stirling *1S23 KGX-GLC - drivable from Edinburgh (20:19) to Haymarket (20:24) - Realtime Trains | 1S23 1530 London Kings Cross to Glasgow Central* *only drivable to/from Haymarket Hope this helps with future timetable improvements . All information is correctly sourced from Realtime Trains.
Cheers Adam, the only thing I would say about the non-385s is that the class 66 drags and seacows were made for this route and your timetable is 100 times better than the original so it is likely that many will never play or see those services again, which seems a shame
Just spotted that.the DSD doesn’t appear to work and the TOD4 in the tunnels is not good with light textures and flashes in the tunnels towards Falkirk and Glasgow
One small things I've noticed Coupler's electrical housing shield is down leaving a blank slab exposed Route: Edinburgh - Glasgow Service: 2P21 Formation: 4 Car 158
How come there is no ScotRail traffic from North Berwick and Dunbar at Waverley as they use the 380s and 385s in real life
It is our understanding that those services (and Tweedbank) operate from the east side of Edinburgh Waverley station which is not accessible to the player. Thus they wouldn't add anything to the player experience on the west side of the station.
I don't think the platform numbers in TSW match reality. The two platforms on the south side of the station are numbered 8 and 9 in TSW. There are several LNER Azuma services throughout the day stopping at these platforms in the Sprinter timetable, but with the area inaccessible to the player they are practically invisible.
Hiya, Just to get back to this having reviewed the Sprinter timetable: 1E03 - Implemented. Could make this drivable in a future update. Currently it appears to run behind the 05:55 Polmont departure from Stirling, so runs late. 1E13 - Implemented but as an Edinburgh to Kings Cross service departing EDN @ 1130 from P5. Could have been an interpretation error. 1W16 - Implemented but runs via the Forth Bridge (simulating bi-mode 800), hence not drivable. Could have been an interpretation error. Can switch to running via Polmont and make drivable in a future update. 1W22 - Implemented. Could make this drivable in a future update. Further Azuma services operating west of Edinburgh in the Sprinter timetable are: 1E11 - From Aberdeen via Forth Bridge. Arr Haymarket @ 1015. Dep Edinburgh @ 1022 1E15 - From Aberdeen via Forth Bridge. Arr Haymarket @ 1205. Dep Edinburgh @ 1212 1E25 - From Aberdeen via Forth Bridge. Arr Haymarket @ 1715. Dep Edinburhg @ 1722 1E30 - From Aberdeen via Forth Bridge. Arr Haymarket @ 2040. Dep Edinburgh @ 2047 1W02 - Dep Edinburgh @ 1020 for Aberdeen, runs via Forth Bridge. 1W11 - Dep Edinburgh @ 1422 for Aberdeen, runs via Forth Bridge. 1W20 - Dep Edinburgh @ 1821 for Aberdeen, runs via Forth Bridge. 1W24 - Dep Edinburgh @ 2021 for Aberdeen, runs via Forth Bridge. During development, the consensus from the team and testers was that any AI services only on the E2G route between Haymarket and Edinburgh weren't worth making available for driving. This would include any Glasgow Central bound services, though none of those have been implemented as previously noted.
1)This consisted of 4x Seacow runs and 6x Class 385 drags. These are all implemented with artistic license so we did not feel compelled to include them. There is 1x RHTT run in the default timetable, running in one direction at 4am. I believe this is 3S93. We have noted this for possible future inclusion. 2)These services do not stop anywhere on the E2G line, hence their AI only implementation. It could reasonably be conceived that the Glasgow Queen Street services stop at Croy so could be made drivable in a future update. 3)These run to Glasgow Central not Queen Street and so depart the route after Haymarket. No Glasgow Central services have been implemented in the current timetable, but we are investigating if these can be added in a future update.
Thanks for the response and all the hard work yourself and your team have done in making this DLC and the new timetable, would it be possible to add some Railtours in a future update if there's any room? EMT ran some Railtours to preserved lines back in the day and while I don't think any ran to Scotland, maybe having one would be a nice little nod to your HST as well? Just a thought.
That's fantastic that you have some of the additional services implemented for a future update as it would make the route feel more complete having those extra LNER services between Edinburgh and Polmont before they head towards Falkirk Grahamston and Stirling . So would doing 1E06 and 1S23 as AI services like on Cathcart's new timetable at the Glasgow end be of any purpose adding at all? Or are the Glasgow Central bound services completely out of the picture? Good to hear the Aberdeen services have been added in the timetable (I'm guessing as AI) as like with the other services, it adds another operator to the route instead of just ScotRail.
As on the EMT version the guard panel local door does not work unless i;m doing something wrong. here's what I'm doing Open Guard Panel Key in Set Local Door to open, nothing happens Press Release All the doors open instead of just the local door Platform: PC - Steam Route: All including Class 158 and Free Roam Stock: Class 158
The light indicator is causing problems and does not consistently show the correct light setting. This can be partially reproduced by using the external camera view (especially camera 8). This issue can be solved temporarily by turning the light switch one step further and then back again, but it does not last long. This bug was taken over from the EMT Class 158. In some services, there are two keys for the safety systems in the keyswitches. They only disappear after the safety systems have been switched off and on again. The EMT Class 158 does not have this problem. GSM-R is on, but only displays something after the brightness has been increased at least twice. Headcodes of the services are completely missing. Additionally, the GSM-R display goes off sporadically and can only be switched on again by deregistering and registering again. Unfortunately, I could not reproduce the random switch-off. Apart from that, I'm happy with the SCR Class 158 so far, I like it and it's a lot of fun to drive.
When I saw the actual dl price for this, I bought it. Have now run a service on E-G, the 1R51 billed as a stopper service between these cities. As we headed west, I noticed we did not stop in Edinburgh Park ay that end of the route and Lenzi and Bishopbridge at the Glasgow end. I am in the US so have no clue as to the service patterns, but wondered, are these stations stops for a stopper? Also I dinger for no safety systems but had everything on. The AWS sounded, but noted I never got a DVD. It was in the normal position on the panel about the second man's seat. Have I missed something; I never had an issue with the 158 in MML for safety systems. Forgot about the switch behind the driver's seat on the back wall.
IRL the services for E2G don’t call at Edinburgh Park, the stoppers on that line will call at 5 stations, with express runs calling at 3. Should only be services to Dunblane & Helensburgh that call at Park (service codes for those should start with a ‘2’).
With the ScotRail 158 some odd things come out of the trains exterior. Down below is one of the things that happen. I think it may just be my Xbox one acting up, but has occured since I downloaded this DLC.
After Croy it’s Lenzie & Bishopbriggs. Those are served by trains to Alloa. Again those should begin with a head code of ‘2’ from Queen Street. I know Rivet put those into their timetable but not sure if Skyhook have carried them to theirs. No services between Edinburgh & Glasgow serve those.
I dont exactly know, I think it was rushed, that's why they is so many bugs like what I have encountered with the exterior..
Hi Luca. going to this. You have included HST AI depot moves. But why on earth are they not playable? Same with the 170 and that. Also with the HST, you have not put any detail on the PIS screen for the Intercity services. Its just blank with a time that the train goes. Just seems like it was a very quick way of going 'People want HST in the game, lets just Plonk it on and let it go out of the map' without any real effort. 158 looks stunning but the way we have been given a fake timetable that isn't realistic and we can't even have the HST in the OG timetable is pretty poor In my opinion.
Also served by commuting hours ScotRail express services leaving Edinburgh/glasgow on on the hour and half past, but Rivet didn’t represent these.
Not for how expensive it is, no. There's too many issues with it across all platforms that if anything, you'd be better waiting for it being fixed and brought down in price.
Ah yeah there is, 10 a day by the looks of it, with another 2 services past midnight into GLQ. It would be nice if between 2 developers we could get an accurate timetable, especially with all the rolling stock we have & the majority of movement being handled by 385’s, 170’s & 158’s.
That's realistic. 158 local door control prevents the local door from closing when the close (all) doors button is pressed. It'll remain open until the local door rocker switch is put back to close. You can't open the local door separately on these units without setting the local rocker to open then press the big public door open button next to the doors.
GSMR All stop button and sanding light comes on when AWS is in self test, if that's actually how that is that is just strange haha
That's not what I said Turn DKS on Toggle local door switch to open Press the 'Public' door open button. This will only open the local door Press the door release buttons. This will release all the other doors Close doors. This will close all the other doors Toggle local door switch to close That's how 158's work in the game, and in real life so it's completely correct
As far as a more complete schedule is concerned, the modder who wrote the timetable for BML to include the 700s, will decide this is something they want to do. I am aware this will only help users on pc.
Right sorry misunderstood what you meant by public doors, to me it sounded like you were telling me exactly what i did thank you
