New Just Trains Route - Suggestions/ Speculation

I think a lot on here of the opinion that all development studios are the size of Rockstar games. Even the ones that turn out poor content which being small is no excuse. That's why the Glasgow to Euston requests need to end. Preston to Oxenholme with Branches could be done. We need an AC loco badly for TSW whatever the era.

 

l would not object to that providing it went from Crewe via Stockport and Manchester.

 

I would imagine JT will stick with a route close to home...

but personally I would love to see them do the Riviera Line with a Class 50.

 

That's two different routes.

 

Yes, as I said previously, Preston to Lancaster and Oxenholme would be great. Perhaps with the Windermere (Lake District) and Morecambe branches. Electrified main line and two small diesel branches. The opposite of BPO.
On the Morecambe branch there's also the single track that leads to Heysham, to the Isle of Man embarking pier.

 

That wouldn't be much of a run though on an Intercity loco hauled service, it would be better to start at Warrington or Wigan.

 

Or extending to Carlisle.

 

Still missing the point, that desirable though these lng routes might be, we don't know that the TSW side of JT would be capable of producing something that length. The emphasis would once again be on the local services and at this point I would consider taking an 86 or 87 between Lancaster (or Preston) and Oxenholme better than not having at all.

 

i think in the 90s could be better with a new loco class 50 and 3 principal trains

class 50 (new train) with MK3 coaches (regional) and MK2 coaches
class 43 (pv)
class 158 (regional livery super sprinter)

the class 150 could be sub in the route with class 47,101 and 37

 

I'm thinking more for a decent run for the WCML, although that would probably mean not including any branches. Which when both Windermere and Morecambe branches only connect to the WCML, would mean they never come to TSW.

 

JT would smash North Wales Coastal

 

so long as it is beautifully done i do not care what route it is

 

Ecml merge- are you saying this thing is physically possible to do in both tsc and tsw???

 

It has been done for TSC, https://alanthomsonsim.com/?download=the-east-coast-mainline-merge

TSW is built using a sequential series of tiles which load in as you drive along, so if they built London - Peterborough using an exact copy of the tile with Peterborough on as a starting point it would be technically possible to stitch the 2 together as one continuous journey.

 

It probably is possible in TSW too, but I'd hate to think what the route size or processing power/ Ram required would be

 

I am wondering if this is the location of the JT screenshot for their upcoming route. Allowing for changes between the 1980s and today it could be here in Plympton Devon.

 

Did Plymouth have any ground disc signals in the 1980s? If I am correct it got Power Signal Boxed in the 1970s across the area in the photo so I doubt its a Plymouth area route. That would be great mind Class 50 would be a good addition to the TSW stable. My moneys on Morecambe, called it right with the Ormskirk branch on the last JT route when a photo was released like this.

 

No I think West Country a red herring. Far more likely to be Lancaster to Morecambe and Barrow, continuing in their north west comfort zone. The JT Western routes in TSC garnered very mixed reviews in terms of quality so I would be a bit concerned if that team was working on a TSW project.

 

I hope its not in devon as I'll only be happy with a 1960s steam version of plymouth to devon and to exmouth.

 

I’m sure just trains have got this

 

Then Fife circle + E-G merge and LC - ECW merge are technically possible then?

 

According to the tsw devs, the gameplay and signals doesn't work and the timetable would have to be redone so it's the merged version. You could also run into memory problems especially on busy routes like bml so a merge wouldn't bring any benefit

 

Once again those who have the mod that adds the 700 to the BML, which has increased traffic drastically, have not complained of memory issues, except you. I run it on a gaming laptop and it’s as smooth as a babies bottom, smoother in fact than some of the core routes.
Please stop spreading this disingenuous myth in your fervour to protect DTG at all costs, for some weird reason.

 

I too have the mod its great, no issues at all.

 

I haven't had any problems with the mod and memory use and it certainly makes the BML an even more immersive experience (would be almost perfect with TOD4 lighting). I do wonder how it would work on consoles though?

 

Absolute worst case would be only releasing it on Gen 9, at the time DTG abandoned work on BML I don't think they had any 'full/reduced' timetables, if they revisited it now they could easily make a 'full' timetable with the 700, leaving Gen 8 and the Series S with the existing 'reduced' one.

 

Well it's not just pc players. Dtg also have to cater to console players.

 

Which I'm sure something can be done about.

Nothing is impossible unless proven otherwise.

 

The screenshot could also be a spot just beyond Morecambe station.

 

I guess 8th gen consoles might be having a hard time but honestly the game should move on from this 10+ year old hardware, if it means the game is being held back.

 

There's also the series s which is starting to have problems

 

Is it?

 

Looking at the teaser image from JT and wanting to throw my hat into the ring, I think it may be just outside Morecambe station.

Look at the industrial unit to the right of the image, then note behind that a row of terraced houses in the distance which are running parallel to the track. On the left of the frame is a 2-3 storey building which could be "Rydal Court" on the map.

I'm not entirely sure of the signalling set up here but if both roads were bi-directional then that could account for the dolly on the approach to the station junction.

It's of course all just speculation, I'm hardly an internet sleuth and just wanted to have a punt at it

 

It's why there are 2 versions of the sehs, ecml and nyt timetables

 

Well I don't use those. I use the full fat Timetables (ECML and SEHS, don't have NYT) on my S series and it runs as silky smooth as TSW can.

 

Anything that updates the Class 40, class 45 or class 101 DMU is fine.

Smoke effects and updates to the class 08 and 47 were great.

 

Agreed.

 

The processor only needs to load the tiles that the player can see.

 

But they can have 2 different versions for the respective players, like they did with SEHS - 2 timetables one busier than the other. No reason why pc players should be held back. Our money is just as good and the large modder community is very good for business.
So they could have added a 700 timetable for pc players on BML, and perhaps one for the console players with much reduced Thameslink services, but at least they could have driven one.
You have to think more outside the box.

 

You understand that creating multiple versions of games and DLC content fragments games, right?

So with your fantastic idea, instead of working on one version of TSW, you would be working on a dedicated PC version AND a dedicated Console version.

DTG have enough problems with bugs in the current multiplatform build of TSW, so what kind of disaster do you think platform specific versions would create?

Splitting 250 employees across multiple SKUs is increasing workload and asking for trouble, plus game build and update parity would go to hell.

 

A bit of an arrogant mini rant that you got your knickers in a twist for without reason, if you don’t mind me saying. Are you another console player that thinks pc players are out to get them or something? You are completely confused and couldn’t have read my post more wrongly if you tried.
Doing 2 separate timetables for SEHS wasn’t my “fantastic idea” LOL it was DTG themselves that came up with the idea of making 2 timetables for the route that both sets of players downloaded. One busy one much less so, all in the same version of TSW.

Adding 700’s to the BML was a fairly obvious thing to do if you know that route. They’d done a fabulous Class 700 and then confined it to just one route?
They could have easily done the same as SEHS and made a busy and a quiet timetable again for the choice of players depending on platform. At least give console players a chance to drive one on that iconic route. Instead they told porkies saying there wasn’t enough memory.

Maybe if DTG were in less of a rush all the time they’d do things properly and not mess up so much.
After all a modder was able to do it on his own in his own time and it raised that route from an also ran to one of my favourites. Guess what no memory problems! He didn’t earn a penny from it.

 

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So 28 miles Lancaster to Barrow and 20 miles Lancaster to Preston and a couple to Morecambe from Lancaster, seems to tie in perfectly with reasonable potential mileage comparable with previous route release for BPO which was 48 miles route network.

I've looked at old signalling rail map from 8o's era and photo matches with placement of ground signal for a curve around Morecambe.

I'll be happy though with whatever JT produces as it will be real quality.

 

I would like to see modern day Merseyrail with a 15 minute schedule on all routes and the new 777 class 4 car EMU's. Hunts Cross to Ormskirk via Liverpool Central, Southport to LVC, Wirral routes to Chester, New Brighton West Kirby and Ellesmere Port. Having the 777 class with batteries from Kirkby to Headbolt Lane would be a bonus.

What a schedule that would be a bonus. Can it be done?

Mike

 

I think that Merseyrail is a real possibility at some point. Whether that's JT or DTG. The new 777 would be excellent, but the route should really be set when there were still a few services operated by 507s as well. I think you'd get away with a refurbished, reskinned 313. Having a choice of trains for a network like this is better. Birmingham Cross City suffers for having one realistic type of passenger stock.

 

I'd even take a 502 or 503!

 

I would always advocate for the types no longer to be seen as it provides the opportunity to witness long gone operations. Obviously it is difficult to obtain real sounds but this only becomes harder and closer to impossible, the more that time is allowed to pass.

 

I never experienced the old Merseyside units but I can imagine that they weren't too dissimilar to the old CO/CP London surface stock. Very tuneful motors, loud compressor sounds and an oddly reassuring rattle of fixtures and fittings over track joints.

 

Sadly I never rode on then either, but remember looking at the pictures in my first ever Ian Allan combined volume (1972 I recall) and thinking, "Those look cool". Would be massively great to drive and we can only hope.

 

They were decent, although I only caught the final year or two when growing up jn the area.