(db Expert 101 Cost)how Much Do You Think The New Expert Dlc Will Cost.

"Some" of the opinions are very clear that it is way to high.

In general when there is a new release there is always, or nearly always a discussion on its value and whether it is worth it before anyone has seen it in action or knows what the product contains.

 

Fair enough but this video below with more than 2000 views and more than 200 comments and 95% or more is negative and those are German so i was a little shocked by this amount

 

I don't watch these "Youtube" opinion videos, they always seem to be ego massaging sessions. I can make my own mind up with my own research without having to have other peoples opinions spoon fed to me.

I guess we shall see, if the price is quickly dropped or it appears in the first sale after release then the price hasn't worked.

At least TSG has had the balls to try something different, if there is no demand for more of the same then the sim will end up being poorer for it.

 

This not an opinion video! He is an DTG Ambassador and what he doing here is telling in German what announced today He translate the whole Blog to German.

 

It has nothing to do with making something different.

I'm sure it was hard to make and get working in said expert mode. I will see with the preview. But for it to be the same price as the base game might be a push.

To some it has the value and thats fine, but to me it doesn't from what I know so far.

1 Train 2 short routes. Doesn't give it that much gameplay since the old 101 is on more routes. It should be at least the same.

Is this fault system going to work as in reality, or will it be like Dynamic Weather where it is too frequent.

If the preview streams blow me away then maybe my mind will change but right now it is hold off for a sale as I don't need/want it that bad.

And I'm on Xbox and willing to wait 16 months if need be.

Makes me wonder though how much is TSW5 going to be priced at?

 

Well I didn't watch it as my German is sadly restricted to reading the titles of Bach's organ music! I didn't realise it was from an ambassador and if that is the case I take that back, I was just going on some of the translated comments. Still, I stand by my comment about opinion videos in general.

 

Yeah i understand your point... But i have choose this video for that reason... Its shocking that the German community it self also didnt accept this price range and i have searched in many locations and this is in general the situation... All the comments are negative and the most users complaining about this high price.

 

Fair enough. The proof will be in the pudding as they say!. I'll watch the stream with interest.

 

Creating timetables take a lot of time and tsg does not always have the time or resources to do it for every single route. If they did, then the dlc might never be released. Dtg are also busy doing their own projects too so they might not have been able to help much.

 

For the record they did not build a new timetable for the 101 Expert... They copy the old route one and replace the new 101 and cabcar and we can use the new train... Only 3 scenarios are new

 

It still has to go through testing and replacing those services. That still takes time

 

Thats way different than create a whole new timetable right?! I hope they will bring later more routes for this train set

 

the BR 101 expert can replace the BR 101 in timetable but if there is a sandwich formation it's not possible to sub in timetable a steuerwagen

 

No offense, but this argument seems pretty weak. Just take a look at Dovetail's website—they have a "head" for every type of department you can imagine: CDO, CFO, CEO, you name it. They clearly don't see themselves as a small company, and neither should you. Considering how many games and DLCs they've developed, it seems inconceivable to me that making more fulfilling content would be too much effort.

Also, with the revenue they've earned from those 800+ pieces of DLC across various platforms, monthly TSC subscriptions, and base game sales you're telling me they can't incorporate an expert-level train into more routes because they lack the resources?

I don't want to be constantly negative, but there's a general blindness to the resources a company of this size actually has at their disposal.

 

it's a expert locomotive and there will be new things in the next months for the BR 101 but i can say BR 101 has new sounds ,new physics, new coaches sounds + MFD display screen and the another GSMR works on PZB/LZB/sifa is different and there is a lot of change is not a normal TSW loco

 

Its fine that they create all this expert LOVE but the cabcar is one of the most requested things and now they offer it only of a bizar price even if you did not have interest in the Expert part. It feels a little unfair

 

The conversion rates are a bit annoying because it always adds an extra cost for anyone not paying in BP. In the us its about $1.50 more than it needs to be. After tax here it comes to around $46.

I cant really justify it for a timetable on 1 route i own and 3 measly scenarios on a route i would have to buy to play it on. I was going to buy it if it ended up around $25 but at 40 with no base route seems like a raw deal.

 

It's a tsg product, not a dtg one so tsg would be the ones responsible to make it. They don't have unlimited budget or time

 

That shouldn't and doesn't mean that DTG are hands off. Stop giving them such easy outs. A company with a Chief Financial Officer and a defined corporate structure aren't indie developers in a basement doing this as a hobby.

 

okay but people speak on RW austria on TSC,AP or Simtrain no? the flirt 3 class 745 cost 43€ and nobody say a thing on this and the BR 101 is 100% new even in driving it is very different

 

Believe me, a lot was said about that 745! RWA’s 50 euro Eurofima coaches are also up there

 

Simply put, unless you are a particular aficionado of the class, unlikely to pay that much for a single train, or aircraft for that matter. As I said it is subjective though, if DTG brought out a study level Class 26 or 27 along with a few more Mark One coaches, including the elusive buffet car, for £30 now there’s a question… Of course the difference being, a Class 26 would be a completely new item, not a rework of an existing one which probably satisfies the needs of 95% of its users already.

 

This pack comes with a new simugraph setup and soundset, but go off I guess

 

I would be handing my £30 over for a 26, it would be new to TSW so not the same as the 101 which I have already. Although the 26 doesn't have anywhere to stretch its legs that's in a authentic era, it could run round a pacels train at Preston on a Wednesday night (farmers news I think was on board).

 

I knew price would be high, but didn't expect it to cost as much as a complete route.

I was never really interested in the 'expert' part of this DLC. I could live with the extra time needed to set up the train correctly and learning how to do all that. But I take it a lot of the settings will need to be put in on the multifuctional screens and on console the control on those is just a nightmare, so that'll take all the fun out of that.
I do however very much want the Cab car. So I'll probably wait about 18 months or so, untill this is heavily discounted, then get it and drive both in the 'easy' mode.

 

well I guess I was wrong in expecting 25 and a maximum of 30. I find the price a lot and if it comes without a preorder bonus I will be holding off until a sale even though I personally really want to see the expert line continue. I'll watch the stream tonight to see if I find it worth it though. tsw is a franchise that I cannot trust their word on quality and expectations anymore.

With the removal of the preservation crew and the leaked next week announcement of tsw5. I fear if tsw5 releases with it's "improvements" all other tsw products will be broken like the switch to tsw4. meaning I'll buy the expert 101. but tsw5 has got to be something stellar to offer to make me consider buying it.

 

I was jaw dropped by the price tag on this. £29.99 is hilariously way too much for a locomotive. I can actually laugh at it for how much it costs. I think if DTG put the price tag at around £11-£14, £16 at max, it would actually sell better.

 

Just because now a lot of people are moaning, this doesnt mean it will sell badly.

 

Yes precisely, there have been plenty of here saying they will purchase it.

I would imagine they are expecting it not to sell as well as a standard loco.

 

£29.99. Absolute madness in my opinion. I’ll say no thanks to future expert locos if that’s the price point.

 

Now looking at the preview stream, and honestly, looking at the amount of features, I can say, that the price tag is definitely more understandable

TSG really said “nah, id win”…

 

I'm quite satisfied with the livestream... At least, until now! The sounds are amazing, but some essential features are missing... Can't you add a working high beam button or "IC" logo on cabcar? Come on, no way! 8.5/10 for now!
The price seems pretty fair! Maybe a few pounds less but it's ok...
I'll get it on sale!
EDIT- Windscreen are fogging up! It's worth buying, IMO!
PS. More features will be added in a second update. Like full PZB test etc...

 

They could have included the dining cab as well.

 

I could only watch the first 40 minutes and so far it’s far more in depth than I thought it would be.

They said they‘d make the manual available in advance. So I‘ll be printing that out for some reading on the way to and from work.

To me, this is the kind of thing I want to see in a simulation. It makes the other trains look very simple and game like.

So, while it’s more expensive than I‘d like, I‘m going to get hours of fun out of this and it’s still less than the price of a Lego set (my other expensive hobby). Probably not a day one purchase, I‘ll see what the opinion of the released version is first. But no denying that I‘m quite excited about this now.

 

36?????????????

 

There are also plenty here and elsewhere that said they will not

 

Well, did you watch the preview??????? I almost would say that is a bargain for what you are getting.

 

The Stream was terrible from Both Guys to Watch

 

I enjoyed, it is clear a lot of effort has gone into the expert 101.

 

As happens with every DLC launch. The point being made was that just because there is lots of noise from people saying they won't purchase it (although I suspect some of those will) it doesn't mean it will sell badly. It doesn't mean it will sell well, either. We will get an idea over time I am sure.

As I also said, I suspect they are expecting it to not sell as well as a standard loco. It is a niche product within a niche product!

 

The difference between what people say and what people actually do can be abysmal...

 

It will be a day one purchase from me too. It would have been nice if it was a bit cheaper but I want to support the developers and I am also hoping we get more expert locos in the future.

 

I hope you have the budget for the paper and ink. At the time of writing this, I have 100 pages ready in the manual, and that's only going up.

EDIT: And if new features are added to the DLC, they may also be reflected in the manual in the future.

 

Don't print OMG.
Are u leaving in 2000s?

 

this is the first stream had to turn-off

 

Honestly they should just update the original 101 to have the cab car it was supposed to have from the jump then regular players wont have to bother buying an expert loco set to easy just for a cab car. (At regular TSW quality of course) That pretty much would solve most of the distaste people have for this dlc.

 

It not quite up to what I expected for expert mode.

No cold starts, doors not operated by conductor, GSM-R could have more functionity i.e. contact signaller when fault requires, no suspension.

Also I hear that they are working on tgings for an update to add some of these and others. Good news.

But, why do I feel like we keep getting DLC that is almost, but not quite finished and the update will come later with the missing items Why not wait until its done.

Fife Circle wait for the Leven Line, that was fine I saw it as a bonus. But to wait for updates until the Leven branch is added is a little pain.

Scotrail Class 158. Won't get the full experience until the Leven Branch is released. Probably should have been released after the update.

Now the 101.

And the biggest of all Suspension. Which wasn't going to be coming too long after the TSW4 release originally.

 

Yep. This is what makes me think they might not get to add the Expert 101 to future routes.
I'm not worried about the price or the limited number of places to use it right now. I'm worried about not getting more routes to use it (specially the cab car) in the future.

And yes, I know they want to add as much as possible but life usually gets in the way of doing what you want to do when you have other responsibilities to attend to, like new DLCs etc ...

 

The stream made a lot of good points to support the pricetag, but also a lot of points against it. Namely, how almost all questions in the stream were waved off with "not yet ready", "still work in progress", "coming in patch after release".

It was visible that a lot of passion went into this project, but it was also visible that this is early access at most. And TSW has absolutely horrendous history of delivering any future promises. Does not matter if it's DTG itself (still waiting for delivering any of the selling points of TSW4) or TSG (G6 is still being sold as broken product and they said they have no interest in ever fixing it).

 

yes, such as compatibility of cab car with 218
a project like this that is not yet completely finished and yet they want to release it and for that price...
the main reason for me to buy this dlc was 218 compatibility with cab car and now the reason simply no longer exists