PC Universal Freight Calculator For German Content

The problem is anyway that TSW does not give you the weight of individual Waggons. With mixed consist this may have an impact on overall brh. Hence this approach is the best that can be done but it also can only be an approximation.

 

thanks. I saw a real world video this afternoon from beutezug where 4 185's were driving with all of them panto up, so apparently it is right. I feel like even 20% power is insane then. so I put all panto's down, decouple. panto and mcb on and then reconnect. panto turns up again but MCB stays off so I'm actually towing the loco's instead of having a 8 loco high speed bullet. I put PZB to M but I got a geschwindigheidsuberschreitung if I typed that right at 105 so maybe the RSN PZB is broken. I noticed in the cow on the track scenario on semmering today the PZB was set to O. I thought DTG set the PZB to the correct setting since TSW4 standard. interesting to learn how to drive those power moves. I bet carrying about 15 loco's to a scap yard is a whole different thing and then they will be turned off. guess power move means they will be used after being dropped. confused as to why they are all on then. it's a lot of power.

 

The only reason for this kind of powered loco train, I would assume, would be the higher BrH, as the brake set up on powered down locos is usually limited to P and G. There may be other reasons as well, but with all powered you would probably have PZB mode “O” and probably a max speed of 140kph.

Interesting with your experience on RSN PZB. I agree, though. It is probably a bug…

 

PZB for an all-loco consist should be Mode O- even if the ones in back are deadweight their brakes are still active

Easiest way to un-power them is to switch off ZMS/ZDF in the lead; that disables MU control

 

For many (at least all I know) locos you are not allowed to set brake “R” when pulled dead. They are limited to “P”.

 

The prefilled values are taken from wagons as I spawned them individually (through god mode or through free roam), so they should correspond to player-defined consists and a lot of timetabled services as well.

However probably some time since TSW3, timetabled services also have some internal override for total weight (probably aiming to simulate varying load, to not have all services with 15 Habbiins feel exactly the same), so you need to use that override in my sheet as well.

When you use the override fields, the calculator redistributes the weight difference among all the wagons while maintaining data about their individual braked weights, which should best correspond to real life values. So it's less of a "fix problem with calculation" and more a field meant to be regularly used, as in reality the load would also have different weights every time, rather than having a single "loaded" number.

Meanwhile I am working on some additional simulation of changeover weights for wagons without automatic load-proportional brake system just for the sake of curiosity, but I don't really think any of the ingame consists would have so light load in wagons that it would make an impact.

 

I would've if the old RSN 185 had that switch

But thanks to all for answering my questions. As it was a powered loco train and not one going to the scrap pile. I now know to put it on PZB O and keep to the max allowed speed of the lowest top speed loco. I'm not sure why they run all powered, ingame or irl since I'd expect a single loco could carry at least 6 others behind it if they are unpowered. it makes sense if they are turning around tbh. unpowered I do expect them to be a "freight" consist though and run in PZB 70 or 55 indeed. I'll pass on the bug if I see it happen on another service. if it's that service only so be it they won't fix it most likely.

 

Well, PZB modes really have nothing to do with "passenger" vs "freight," simply what the brake hundredths are. Since locomotives have vastly more braking power than any coach or wagon, an all loco consist will always be above the Mode O threshhold.

 

I have added couple new things into the calculator, including data for BR 218 and BR 187 (I completely forgot that thing exists).

Main new feature is a display of data for Expert BR 101 Zugdateneinsteller, that scary looking thing that replaces the fictive switch for PZB modes. Once you build your consist in the calculator pulled by BR 101, a new table will show up that displays the values that you need to enter there.

Only freight trains are supported at the moment, as with passenger trains the loco will only come in one or two always identical consists anyways.



As always I will be happy for any feedback, if the numbers make good sense to you in practice.

To update your spreadsheet, simply delete the old one from your Google Drive, open the upstream link, and then go to File - Make a copy. This way you will have your own copy of the file that you can edit without interfering with others.

 

I was afraid I had to spend hours looking at the manual to learn it. amazing addition

 

I will study the manual, definitely... I want to know things

 

noir You just solved a problem I didn’t even know
I was about to have. Many thanks!

 

oh same. I didn't see anything in the official 200 page manual of the 101 for calculating it though. guess that piece of paper next to it serves for it. I get the ZL and VMZ but not the other two. not yet at least.

 

maybe official no, because I guess it is covered in other part of training... but since this will be manual for the game, I hope they will provide info on how to calculate things to the degree you need them in game ... I will save some money and have it printed out, for sure... I know it will be updated but I want to be able to study it anywhere, even at work if we are less busy lol... this will be a big challenge for me to learn the stuff

they showed some training in the stream, so I hope the expert training module there is also extensive, so I can then reiterate what I will have learned from the manual ... and even after that, I might use training center track to check stuff - like try different consists with cab car and 101 and see if I can enter correct things ... one thing that would be nice if this DLC had - they say the expert things are turned on in the options... so there could also be some option that would make the game show you (similar to current safety systems helper that shows you if you forgot to turn safety systems on on some machines) if you entered wrong settings

I know that usually you would know from the behavior of the train if you set lets say brakes wrong, but I am hoping they incorporate something into the DLC to help people ease into the expert stuff... cos not everyone here is a professional train driver or expert driver with RailDriver who knows German loco manuals by heart lol... but we... I want to learn, just will need some help probably

 

Oh yeah. On my way home with NJ(40)490 now. I cannot wait to learn more on how setting up the 101 and other trains work so my SRM timetable can get even better.

The manual sounds extensive and the tutorials shown in the stream looks like with some trial and error and a bit of basic german train language knowledge, everyone who would buy this dlc will be able to drive it.

 

In reality this does not usually fall into driver's responsibility, but rather the person responsible for the consist. That's often some of the yard staff. They build the consist in a yard, perform necessary brake tests on it, and fill in the train documentation including the brake report. The driver then (ideally) crosscheck some of their work to for example ensure brake pipe is correctly connected, but there is no longer a reasonable way how to check what is for example the weight of the load in individual wagons. The brake report then contains useful information like available brake weight (how well the train brakes) and required brake weight (how bad the train can brake to still be allowed for the route). Together with notes on different types of brakes in the consist, this information gives the driver some expectations on how the train will behave. And that's where the driver would get the data from, to put into the ZDE device.

Simrail recently started to show the brake percent to players which is quite useful, I assume TSW to follow in some future versions too.

 

maybe the Ebula screen could be used to show this "documentation" - like showing you the already calculated data to enter into systems? ))

 

Ebula shows some of that, but it is electronic book timetable, not much more. So it contains the definition of the train trip as it is planned and contained in the yearly timetable - which contains things like maximum speed, expected traction vehicle and minimal brake percent so that the train fits into the fixed limits of the route and its planned slot. But how the actual instance of the train trip looks like on particular day, how the load looks like or even if all planned wagons are present in the train or if it carries two wagons of coal instead of thirty, it from my understanding does not really know.

As far as I know, ebula is rather dumb device, it's not nearly as god-powerful as trainsim players imagine. It does exactly what the name is (Elektronischer Buchfahrplan und Verzeichnis der Langsamfahrstellen, Electronic book timetable and registry of speed reductions). It's a glorified e-book reader that can scroll automatically.

 

I know what Ebula is ... what I meant is that the screen that would usually show Ebula could be used to display the information necessary for the calculations, since it isnt used for Ebula in-game anyway

 

I am trying to calculate stuff according to manual, but I get a suspiciously low value (practising calculating stuff in TC)

I got BR 101 in the front, 8 IC coaches (front 2 are 1st class with slightly different braked weight) and cab car in the rear (which doesnt have train mass value, only R+Mg) - which if I counted right, train mass is 1120t and braked weight 1038t, resulting BrH is 92? I must have made a mistake somewhere

anyway, tried the freight calculator, cant use it too well lol... would you, or someone care to modify the spreadsheet to work with passenger consists of BR 101 Expert?

and I hope for the future that there will be some help, like that the BrH value is somehow provided to you... cos I mean, my calculation is now obviously wrong, since it would make this IC consist crawl like freight train

 

I guess I read the train mass of carriages wrong, but I cant figure out which number is the actual weight of the carriage, help pls

 

these should be your values. cuz I don't have the amazing calculating speed in 2 minutes I made this quick excel sheet. if I put in the amount of carriages I see in flying around with photo mode. then calculate BRH after (if below 170 I use the other line) I actually manage to just about set up PZB, GSM-R and just about flip the ZS on as the two minute start of service timer changes.


Edit: now I just need the formula the freight calculator uses to make the whole PZB input, or wait for noir's to get updated with the passenger wagons

 

it has 101, 2 1st class coaches, 6 2nd class coaches and cab car, so the values might be slightly different... anyway, where can I see the actual weight of carriage (and cab car)?

edit: here?

the small table, left value is empty and right value is loaded?

 

Bottom picture

 

ok thanks a ton, will redo my calculation and see where it gets me

 

I think so. that should be your amounts

 

ok, redoing stuff in a custom spreadsheet of my own lol

btw how do you determine which of the BrH columns to use? the first one is more for passenger and the other one?

 

ok, so my calculation is now correct, 545t for weight, 1120t for braked weight, BrH in Zug is now 205, so 180 for the ZDE?

anyway, when do you use the BrH under 170 setting?

 

before I offtopic this entire thread I'd like to advise you to go to the top pinned thread and read the manual for the weights and train data again as I need sleep now.

For how I understand it you take the weight and BrH >170 normally. if that calculation ends up with a BrH under 170 you redo the calculation with the other braking force number. this probably lowers the BrH number even more, leaving you in case of a lower brake force per ton into a slower max speed and other things to keep you driving without too many PZB Zwangsbremsung.

I personally wonder why the Vmax is 220 in the ZDE sheet as I thought the 101 had a Vmax of 200 km/h

 

thanks man, help appreciated I guess it is for all locos, and since 101 has 200 on its side, you just enter vmax 200... now I think I can do my first full ride, and study the manual in-depth once I manage to have it printed out

 

Hello,
I recently got a maximum speed of 110km/h in the P/ R timetabel with loaded laaers 560.
The game said that the maximum speed was 100 km/h and in this datasheet it says: 100km/h (120km/h empty) (line 19).
In the 3 line it says that they are refering to the 560 version of the laaers.
I could be that I'm just stupid but I think the maximum speed for a loaded laaers 560 should be 100km/h then.

Link to the datasheet:
https://hellertal.startbilder.de/bi...utotransportwagen-der-gattung-laaers-560.html

 

Laaers560 as they are in the game do not meet the SS-conditions for running 120 km/h with load without restrictions (that's the line saying 120: 00,0), however, the ★★★ symbols mark it as capable of running 120 km/h with load with a set of defined restrictions. From what we previously investigated, these wagons as they spawn in the game should be fulfilling these requirements.

The way how the game treats maximum speed for timetabled services is unfortunately more or less random.

 

A minor change, I have added Frankfurt - Fulda options to the route selection.

 

I added content from Mittenwaldbahn and Ludwigsbahn to the calculator.

Especially with new Rmms wagons take it as a beta, as each of the available loads has significantly different impact on their performance: loaded with steel the wagon is almost double the weight than when loaded with logs – while with planks it's actually so light that even loaded it is less than the changeover weight, so such wagon uses brake weight value for an empty one.

This is not something I thought about when creating the calculator initially, so I had to hardcode that for now, which will likely not work correctly with weight overrides. I will continue monitoring the results if they make sense and I will be happy for your feedback as well. When inserting empty wagons, it does not matter which of them you enter.



If you like my work and want to support me in continuing, you can buy me a coffee here.

 

Thank you noir for your update