As Rivet Games have modelled Edinburgh Waverley, I imagine that they will be responsible for completing the final section of ECML, when it eventually comes? I can't imagine DTG or any other third-party developer taking the time to remake Edinburgh Waverley station, when it is already in-game. The thought of letting Rivet Games release another rushed and broken UK route scares me, so hopefully I am wrong.
As long as they provide the assets for the station to whoever builds the route (if it comes) I shouldn't say so.
I thought my ears were burning… Final section? I’d say 3-4 more sections for them to complete the route. Unless DTG break their oath and exceed development time, with us getting a section between 100-150 miles in length.
Please don't let Rivet anywhere near any other section of the ECML. Given JT did Newcastle to Edinburgh in TSC, albeit probably as an agent for independent production, I would say more chance of them being interested.
What on earth is the purpose of this thread? We have one short 80 mile section of the ECML. We are years away from seeing any completion of the rest of it, if it ever happens. And there's nothing to indicate who will build the 3 or 4 additional sections from London to Edinburgh. This looks like some troll just wants to start yet another Rivet bashing session. Best ignored.
You didn't read the thread title did you? I was referring to the final section of the route, not the entire thing, and no, I am not trolling anybody. As Rivet created Edinburgh Waverley station, it makes sense that another third-party developer wouldn't waste time making the entire station again. I was just asking a simple question, would it fall on Rivet Games to be responsible for making the last part of the route, seeing as Edinburgh Waverley is their TSW asset? Feel free to continue being abusive though, I don't mind.
Let's just hope it would only be a matter of Rivet handing over modelling of a station if needed, God forbid they lay their hands on any other decent routes...
I think it would be a good idea if London to Marseille was added to TSW... as we have St. Pancras international in the game, they can use the model and the rest will build itself. I think I´m going to start atl east five threads this morning on this very important topic.
Rivet should pay more attention on their existing contents, rather than new contents, we are still waiting the levenmouth link upgrade they promised, and most of its products deserve bug fixs and upgrades. Class 150 and 385 are still troubled by sound and physic issues, Edinburgh Waverley and Glasgow Queen Street are still largely empty, and there are bugs waiting to be fix. I don't want to see a Scottish ECML product with lots of bugs and glitchs, poor scenery and the almost Edinburgh Waverley ( the third time). Scottish section of ECML deserve a better developer that won't mess it up.
I guess your reply is aimed at me? Two things: I haven’t accused you or anyone else of trolling and what part of my response is abusive?
There is nothing to stop another developer sub licensing the Waverley structure from Rivet for their own route. I mean from the other unofficial leak glimpse we had, appears some of the buildings for the forthcoming DTG UK route were subcontracted to Rivet who in turn outsourced them elsewhere. So behind the scenes it seems there is a fair bit of cooperation between the various developers anyway.
No. I was talking to Crosstie, which is why i quoted his post in mine. But this is the internet, and everybody is free to stab their keyboards with rage while safely hiding behind their PC monitor. So feel free to jump-in at any time if you feel the urge.
OK, so this whole thread is entirely speculative. However, DTG did work with Rivet who built the stations in Cathcart Circle (and they did a pretty decent job on these) so it is not out of the question.
TSG making the 628 red; Rivet assisting with Cathcart and Goblin Line; Skyhook making the 158 for Rivet Games routes... No, Developers don't ignore the others. No, Developers do work together. No, Rivet won't "have" to be the ones to make ECML North. No, this thread is pointless. I mean, Yes, this thread is pointless.
How's the weather up on the very self righteous horse you're perched on? OP asked a very fair question - they simply gave their opinion on Rivet which didn't manage their development of FCL very well, to the detriment of the hard working devs who worked on it and the customers who bought the DLC.
I can fully understand Crosstie. The question was, if Rivet would have to work on a specific route - Who will answer this honestly? Jasper or Matt? This community? Of course they can do what they want. It's a highly suggestive question likely to attract the usual non constructive bashing. The title already predicts what the thread will be about. The opinion given was that the OP is not wanting them to do SECML. Fair enough. But did RG say they would? And in the end, who's doing what is (luckily) not for us decide, but the individual devs own business. The customer is NOT king and should get off that horse. Some state that Rivet should not be allowed to do this or that - how self righteous can the customer get? Imho FCL is a solid route and people pick on things they overlook on other routes.
Not everyone is going to know/appreciate this and it didn't warrant OP being attacked in that fashion. They maybe just wanted to have a healthy discussion on it. That only goes so far. It's a fair take if the company can't have someone in charge who can manage the project effectively. Plenty of evidence pointed to them having almost a year to make/dev'ing the route and it seems like the actual building of the route didn't take place till very late in the time they had set aside.
The trouble with debates/arguments like this is neither side will ever want to be wrong and will try to slant the point of view to favour them, even with evidence to say the opposite. At the end of the day it doesn't matter how a thing got made or who made it, the thing that matters is it got made, be it LOVE or the greatest thing since farts being funny........
Rivet need to go, dtg needs to see what rubbish rivet have made, and even not even improved many of there routes or lack there of
Rivet most definitely shoot themselves in the feet and then kick themselves in the balls for good measure, but the worst out there?, I'm sure there are and most definitely will be way worse development studios out there......
What do you think of the DLC they have brought out so far ???. What’s your opinion on Fife Circle ???.
Well, I ended up buying Fife Circle in a sale just to see for myself. And, you know what? It's not bad overall. Sure there are scenery deficits, like that " airport ", it seems to end in the middle of the Scottish countryside and the timetable is very sparse. But I'd certainly rather have a run on it than on a dull route like Glossop or Goblin. It has some curves and a nice bridge. It's diesel, which is preferable to the one handle electrics on those routes. Plus I think it's gonna have another train and an additional branch. So, overall, as I said, not bad at all. And Rivet are apparently still working on it.
Can't speak for Fife Circle as I don't own it (for no particular reason). But from what I've seen (IOW original and WCL, the latter mainly the modelling of the 150 and the former because it is a nice route for its time imo), they are not the devil of TSW. Their own stuff may not be to the standard of other 3rd parties, or DTG themselves, but they are capable of producing quality content. And, let me ask you this: if everything product by Rivet was the worst thing in existence (given they still do stuff for TSW this is obviously not the case), then why are they still producing content for TSW? The answer: because, despite what the small number of the TSW community that use these forums thinks, Rivet's content is of good enough quality to make money; it sells. It must do, otherwise they wouldn't still be a 3rd party for TSW, would they?
People including myself have bought Rivets productions because we want the route but after a few years of other developers i.e Skyhook and Just trains producing decent content we are starting to wonder why there is any point in buying anything made by rivet games, you can fool people a couple of times but you can't fool them all the time, I won't be buying anymore Rivet routes unless they are given a really good review.
Exactly. The only 2 routes i have bought of theres was iow remaster. And edinburgh glasgow. But edinburgh to glasgow i got just to get the 385 on glasgow cathcart. Hehe. Never actually played the route. Lol.
