Enough Is Enough!!!

Upcoming US content has never caused such sadness after watching streams. LA - SB is a core route... Why, DTG? Why is this the saddest core route with 0 new trains (repaints and remasters do not count) + Cajon Pass? What have US content fans done wrong to you? Why is the most generous kit always for Germany?

 

Haven't you seen the MBTA announcement?

 

My TSC install is in danger to make room for all this lot!

Well SimRail might be first for the chop.

Overall quite pleased with the announcement(s), more for what's coming after TSW5 releases than the initial content. WCML only Euston to MKC not entirely surprising if a tad disappointing as is the decision to paywall the 390 in Deluxe rather than adding it to a Standard Pack purchase. However think there is a good chance I will be going Deluxe, once I've digested the package info a bit more. And DTG have removed at a stroke any whinging about "paid update" by offering free single route starter packs.

 

Vern. Until now I've always had respect for you.

 

I find the modern railway has the same atmosphere as a supermarket car park.

Actually there's several old stations under supermarket car parks.

 

We drove through Minehead earlier past the WCR. Went over the railway crossing at the end of the station complex and I caught myself looking up the line thinking "yup, I know where that goes"..
Maybe we should start a thread for real life TSW location photos...

 

I have to say the starter pack is a very clever solution to many people's issue with the annual update - some credit has to be given for that move

 

I'm sure I've come across such a thread already, but usually interest diminishes very soon and the thread goes down the drain...

 

Well I think there is a fair bit to triage out first, haven't touched Derail Valley in over a year.

 

Why not be nice to the Missus tonight and get a few quid in return for a bigger SSD?

 

Yes and what? It's not a part of the core game.

 

I had a week's holiday on the Yorkshire coast in June and popped to Saltburn for a couple of hours, while looking for a cafe in town I very much had a 'I know this place' moment when reaching the station.

 

Oh boy!! Time for TSW3...part 3? Idk.
Same rubbish. Different day

 

They have all up to -10% loyalty discount on every platform.

 

Yet it’s free, no one is forcing you to buy the dlc, the core itself is free

 

So a free core update and a free choice of one route to go with it is rubbish? Really?

I think this time DTG have actually nailed it and listened to the sentiments in this thread, even if not responding directly.

Personally I'm just waiting for 1800 BST to drop, refresh the Steam store and in all likelihood preorder the Deluxe edition.

 

Haha so "enough is enough" has turned into "give us more"!

 

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Some go for days out to supermarkets, listen to Ikea ads on the Radio, glad I grew up having days out to other places such as Railways.

 

We get a free route??

 

Admittedly I was watching the live stream while working, and I haven't read any forum posts on TSW 5 yet besides the current page of this thread, but isn't the free TSW 5 update effectively just a new title screen/menu? You don't get any of the actual TSW 5 features unless you pay for one of the packages? Anyone coming from TSW 4 gets nothing beyond the TSW 5 title, but at least it will give anyone upgrading from TSW 1-3 the TSW 4 features and the free updated routes.

I will get round to catching up on the announcement more later, though.

 

This time they have judged things very well and I mean let's be honest, the further enticements of WCML over Shap with an 87, Cardiff Valleys and a Dutch route have greased the wheel nicely.

 

I don't get it. I don't remember them saying anything about a free route...

 

Pretty much, the biggest issues were paywalling future routes and the abandonment of older versions. No paywall to get TSW5, and while older versions are abandoned you can use all your existing content in TSW5 for free.

I think this thread served it's purpose, DTG listened.

 

That's how I read it. For existing owners if you take the free starter pack within 30 days of release you can choose one of the three regional routes.

 

No, there isn't a free route.

 

Tell me my choices, as a railway enthusiast who wants to play a game about trains on my console.. please enlighten me to my manyyyyyyy choices.

Because "don't play it", is a cop out. It's not a solution. Don't play it is just another way of telling me where to go.

 

I think you read wrong.

 

Enough is enough, we're done with poor content and underwhelming games, give us something better.

 

Then I was reading it wrong, sorry. The starter packs plus one route are presumably the same as last year then - £30.

Sorry to have confused.

Nevertheless, the core update itself is free.

 

This definitely wasn’t said the year before, DTG don’t care lol

 

But really the core update isn't free because you don't get the actual TSW 5 core features in the free version, you just retain the TSW 4 core features? I'm not clear on this...

 

Nothing to complain about. I’m surprised and very pleased about the free upgrade. The only thing I actually want is the German Route so not sure when I’ll get it, but at least I’m not locked behind a paywall for the thing I’m really excited for… JT’s new route. Very excited for this.

From the rest the new Map is good news and I will look forward to the GWE remaster. That was a nice surprise.

 

its free dude, what other options do you want? And why complain?

I mean, would you rather the core game sold for £15? On a paywall?

 

Perhaps more clarity is needed then, I certainly read it initially as you can choose a route with just the update and was dead wrong! DTG Jamie sorry for ping and I know this thread is off limits for yourselves usually but maybe things need to be tidied up a bit as to exactly what is being offered at the bottom level, so to speak.

 

The FAQ has a couple of graphics and tables showing what exactly is included. They seem quite clear to me...

 

How do I hide a thread on this forum?

 

I think I made the stupid decision last time to buy the deluxe edition when all I actually wanted was just the UK routes so it's great that this time I can get the starter pack then get the UK routes bundle which is what I want

 

You can pick up TSW5 for free in the first 30 days and keep it. However, most of the TSW5 features (map, guard mode etc) is only for new routes (as it is always the case in TSW, new features only apply to new routes). So obviously, you will not have access to these features with the free version. However, you will be able to buy new DLCs releasing for TSW5 without needing to spend a single €/& or whatever for any core route.

 

I'm not sure. The graphics and discussion on the live stream suggest you get nothing of the new core features in the new version, so for example the FAQ chart says you have the live map in the free version – but is that the new improved version of the live map or the old version?

That chart also says you don't get timetable mode, so it looks like standard features we have had in previous versions might even be cut out...

 

It will be cool to see guard mode especially on older routes.

 

I agree that the chart is a little unclear - I understand it to mean that if you have the free version and NOTHING else, then if you have the free version and ONLY TSW5 core routes, then whatever is added to compatible content.

I suspect the reason it says we get no timetable, is because it doesn't have any routes.

 

Seen that Jamie but it is a bit confusing as the “Free Starter Pack” kind of looks like a header over the Regional Packs. Maybe it needs to be stated more clearly that the free pack is the core upgrade only and that the single route packs are in fact paid for items?

Should have been in its own column of one.

I mean, I’ve gone straight to Deluxe myself, but a little more clarity might help the overall situation.

 

Yes, so effectively you get nothing of TSW 5 in the free version beyond the new name.

But what about the FAQ stating, for example, no timetable, etc.? Are people losing what were core features, i.e. no timetable mode for example? It's what the FAQ chart implies...

 

Except it should have routes for anyone upgrading to the free version from their old version, so it would then have timetable mode... So it makes no sense to cross it off. And some other core feature crossed off right next to it.

 

DTG, crack yourself a couple of beers, you all deserve it

 

Beware false assumptions, I don’t believe they said it would be backdated to older routes. I would assume it’s TSW5 native routes only unless you hear otherwise. Personally I would love to have guard mode on routes like Blackpool.

 

I reckon the mention of no timetables is because in the free version alone, you don't get any routes for timetables to be featured.

Free starter pack I believe is just the base game alone with Training Centre, simply existing to carry your current TSW4 collection into the TSW5 platform but with no extra benefits. It effectively exists solely for the event that if you don't want any of the TSW5 releases, your current content can still receive updates. This is probably because elsewhere in the FAQ, unlike prior iterations it outright says that from this very moment onwards TSW4 will receive no more updates.

 

You don't loose timetable mode for your old content, the graphic shows "Compatible Content" ie. your old routes and has green ticks next to timetable, scenarios etc... It even has green ticks next to some new TSW5 features for compatible content such as route hopping.

"The only thing you will be missing out on are the new routes and locos." I think this is why there are red ticks next to timetable and scenarios in the Free Starter Pack, because it contains no new routes. It's a draw back of using a tick list like that to show stuff.

 

I mean ye olde set routes like the shap route from just trains