Enough Is Enough!!! The Ongoing Saga!!! It's Almost The 3 Year Anniversary

Yeah, they knew what they were doing making the Class 390 require Deluxe edition.

 

It's difficult for DTG to please all the people all the time. As has been referenced already there are many countries around the world, around Europe in fact, that have no or very little representation in this game. But with Netherlands and Japan coming it looks like this is changing. Perhaps DTG found the US difficult to deal with because of their own imposed restrictions? In which case that might bring more alternative countries into the game. The US needs more devs to do the challenging work over there and hopefully some will transfer over from TSC as one has already..

 

So, here it is, what we all expected...TSW 5...

I'm honestly neither really excited or disappointed. I'm looking forward to the new JT route and to FFM-Fulda with the 411 and 114 as well as the DB Vectron. I also like the Flixtrain 193 and especially the new coaches. Is this worth picking the deluxe for me? I don't think so. For the moment I believe I will pick up the german edition later on.

Best part of it? Fixed track shadows! I'm not over excited by the new features. A lot of stuff like route hopping was already possible with god-mode (yes PC only, sure! So welcome addition for console players). I'm not sure what to think about the new map, looks still a bit too "colorful" for me, but that's a matter of taste.

I hope we will finally get a fixed and improved Editor.

Btw. will there be finally a fix for the passenger system? I expect it will be really strange to play in conductor mode and the first thing that will happen is everyone is leaving the train at the start of the journey.

 

I play all the routes regardless of country, but do feel for our American friends who clearly get the short end of the stick when it comes to releases.

I really wish there was an American equivilant of Just Trains that could get on board and make some freight routes, either historic content or smaller lines which may allow better access to developers.

 

Imagine how much happier the US customer base would have been with something like FRCE?

 

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also play routes regardless of country .even though i m from US and prefer US freight and freight in general i do like passenger too but just seems that DTG Focus has a bias twd passenger trains EMU DMU s and sleek modern high speed stuff they ignore freight and older trains ..plus the player base dont like or want older trains ...they dont know what they missing.

 

it seems im the only one who is concerned about that TSW 5 or whatever didnt use modern scaling like DLSS / FSR ?

 

The one handled EMU is as exciting as modern trains get. Although that green vectron does look like a cabbage white caterpillar.

 

If HIS is onboard to do that Santa Fe pak I hope they planning to do some US freight routes we really need some and soon ,DTG let the cycle without US freight go on too long ..nothing freight route wise since TSW 3 Cajon pass and we going into TSW5 with only the santa fe pak on the lineup and 2 more Passenger US routes being shoved down our throats ..a not a peep hint or clue as to when or even If US freight will make a good comeback ..i dont even have faith at this point that the clinchfield remake matt claims he working on in spare time ( last report was he hasnt done anything in last 3 months on it ] thats not promising news i think DTG foucos too much on the UK EU stuff and not putting enough priority on US stuff esp freight .it s really getting fustrating overall the way US customers are being treated in TSW now ..i propose during the stream s today and tomorrow we US customers need to hold DTG s feet to white hot fire on this and no more sorry excuses from DTG will be accepted

 

I wouldn't bother with Train Life unless they are giving it away, it's ok for about an hour then gets dull quickly. It bears no resemblance to anything real.

 

Well, now that it's morning, and I have coffee and some time, I've looked at the FAQ page properly and it all makes sense.

Note: don't try watching a live stream when you're in the middle of unpicking a tangled accountancy mess at work, and don't glance at FAQ charts when you're trying to deal with dinner, a toddler, and the rest...

So, yes, this is a good thing altogether. I might just get the free update, and wait on inevitable route discounts in future, seeing as I already have plenty of legacy stuff to get on with. Thanks, DTG.

 

I think the solution to the US problem is easy - arrange a trip to the IRM, take the Little Joe for a spin, gather references and make the Milwaukee electric route while at it, gather references for as many locos as possible that can be used in future projects.

 

By the way for those who dont know FRCE stands for Feather River Canyon ENhanced it a recent US freight route for Train Simulator Classic done by High Iron Simulations HIS for short..they souppsedly are on board to do US content for TSW i hope they can step up and give TSW some good US freight content would be nice to see some other 3rd partys step up also

 

Come on guys. Stop saying it's free and there are no arguments to get upset about it. What if you are in the hospital or on vacation or just not at home during the free period to get the free version? After that you have to pay for the game as well. Why is the free version limited in time and not always free? After the 30 days it's exactly the same as TSW4. Everything is still hidden behind a paywall. Wake up for once.

Why is the Pendolino not included with the route but is only available separately for example? Why can't new features be integrated into the old version of the game? Why does everything have to be downloaded again? DTG has learned nothing at all and this free version is nothing more than a pitiful attempt to suppress the argument for a paywall.

 

I'd say : well done with presenting TSW5 (although there went 30mins missing of the Stream ? )

I like that this time the new features are reasonable in scale so that gives me the feel that other projects like Suspension can be workes on further with more resources. Although not as big, the new features are really welcomed ! Especially the new live map, and for personally: timetable layer control! I feel like theres a lot of feedback from the player base taking into account for this one. Given ALL TSW players the chance to come back together now is a great choice in pretty much all aspects. Good direction this is !

 

Yes, but its certainly an improvement and going in the right direction. They are a business at the end of the day. You cant expect everything to be cheap.

 

Does anyone want to mention the fact that Roblox gets steam engines for TSWR, before the actual TSW did, is just crazy...

So they'll invest in Steam for Roblox...but not for actual enthusiast?

 

That’s stretching the argument just to be negative. I shall be away at the launch, but I shall just get the free version on the mobile apps for the platforms I own.

I suspect the number of people who have zero internet access for the whole 30 days is really quite small.

 

No. You can't expect everything to be cheap. But you can't be expected to buy a new game every year, when theirs very little "new" about it.

 

Then order it via the app on your phone, or the multiple other ways to purchase the game. You do not have to download at the time of purchase. It's just a transaction.

Because businesses exist to make money, and despite modern opinion, not everything in life is or should be free.

See above

I agree, It's frustrating, but it avoids any issues for players that choose not to upgrade.

Thats your opinion.

 

It seems some people just cannot be happy at all

 

Hasn't this train got lovely rounded windows, much nicer than those orrible electric tin cans they had down south

 

But what type of game do you actually want? Everything free? I do understand that nothing is free in life and that Free starter pack is meant to make people buy routes and therefore spend money.

Free would mean volunteers keeping TSW alive.

 

You are wasting your time to be honest Some people just want to be negative.

A few will find flaws whatever DTG do.

 

Minor correction: FRCE stands for Feather River Canyon Extended

 

DTG have clearly learnt a lot

They have taken the paywall away as people on this thread wanted. So why bend over backwards to concoct a nonsensical argument to suggest that they haven't. And suggesting they are suppressing the argument for a paywall by doing what people wanted by offering a free upgrade is barmy.

 

This is absolutely bang on.

I was looking at it yesterday and you actually don't get anything with the free upgrade other than you would be able to purchase the new routes. It's a snide way of getting everyone on the same version. Look what comes with TSW5 starter and what happens when you upgrade for free:

Livery designer - already got it.
Training centre - same
Free roam - same
Formation designer - same
Scenario planner - same.

map 2.0 is the only benefit I see.

Even the benefits... Shadows - only on some routes, mostly will be on the new routes that are locked behind a paywall for full benefit, they haven't been applied across the game which is what they should have done. Again its benefit is locked behind upgrades. Conductor mode...again locked behind the new routes and only on the odd TSW3/4 route.

It's an utter sham. They are also pulling and retiring support for TSW4 so again, putting people on a forced path to upgrade. Not to mention a lot of the new lines that were promised for TSW4 have slipped into 5 like San Bernardino and the Japan one.

Ive said it before it's abhorrent and painted as doing the community a favour. It's just about cash grabs as much as possible. oh I forgot devs need to eat before anyone reminds me.

 

there’s no cash to grab here though, it’s free, it’s only the dlc thats being sold

 

Totally agree with the pushback against the criticism Im seeing so far. There comes a point at which a position further advocated just begins to lose credibility, and as one of the previously vocal trumpets around paywalls, I am genuinely very pleased with DTGs actions. I aim to support them as a result, and hope it leads to the strengthening of the brand as a whole.

Those who still find fault perhaps need to realise they'd better be laser focused on the issue they have, provide compelling reasons why its an issue, and provide alternative paths. Unless this is done, credibility becomes zero and the room has failed to be influenced to any degree.

 

It all depends from what version you are coming. If you come from TSW2 and bought some routes back then it unlocks a lot of free remasters

 

I could unpick each of the points you've raised here to demonstrate why it's a flawed position, but I'll only do that if I feel it may fall on Fertile ground where its not who is right, it's what is right.
I'm not convinced that is the case here.

 

You don't get anything with it and it's only available for 30 days anyway. All the features are locked behind new and future routes.

Is it outlandish to say they could have brought these updates to TSW4 and continued to invest in a better game?

They want the TSW5 release so they can lock people out with FOMO and sell bundled packs under the guise of a new game. I don't know why people can't see that.

 

Please pick away.

 

And that's the only benefit. For those (somehow) on TSW2 it's a chance to skip a few versions and its a win for DTG because it opens up more content to those customers.

But for anyone who bought 2, 3 and 4? Nope.

 

Actually, coming from TSW3, I'm getting quite a bit. You don't have to pay for tsw5 core, so not sure what the issue is there. Finally, you can choose which dlc you'd like.
Not quite sure what is it you're after tbh.

 

Will it fall on fertile ground..? I remain to be convinced.

 

So as I mentioned, the only benefit is for people playing legacy software which is fine and understandable. But for everyone else...

 

There is no penalty. It can be labelled in your mind as tsw4 if you wish, as there is no financial penalty for upgrading it. If you can't do that n a month, then I suggest you've got bigger fish to fry. Dtg have said this is experimental, to test the water. If it succeeds, expect more free upgrades. If not, don't. In that context, I'd think carefully about what it is you want, and see if it's realistic.

 

Yes you do, you get the game itself. With the core features

 

As I explained above, can we not have a new game gimmick every year but actually work on improving the game?

Shadows and pop in across all routes?
Better passenger system?
Upgrading and extending older routes?
Fixing bugs?

I would have given them a pass if the shadow improvements were more robust but unfortunately its only for some more recent routes and future routes, so im probably still getting the short distance on most of my German and uk content as well as malformed trees and shadows suddenly loading properly 50ft away from the train.

 

No you don't. As ive stated most of the better benefits are locked behind the new routes and future routes. Go and reread the press release.

 

Im switching to TSC its better has more of what i want and like especially NA content has better balance of modern and older trains longer routes more enguaging operations ..TSW is becoming a mess in my opinion I am fed up with it now as a whole just time to move on ...and get off this crazy train..

 

No one forces you to buy the routes though. That’s the thing

 

I think at this point the credibility begins to seep away. If you genuinely want to see this issue moved forward, I'd think about the messaging, the target audience, the timing and the likelihood of the current tone being positively received. Theres a reason why you're losing the toom. I agree with you about the shadow popping btw, but your packaging of that message is not great.

 

Also let's hope they fix the traffic on San Bernardino. The cars and traffic and roads are pretty woeful in game, so the idea of speeding along a freeway with those assets both sides gives me the creeps. There's still problems with car shadows, floating cars, cars that don't turn properly, poor modelling etc.

 

Two days ago I wouldn't expect to end up defending DTG after the TSW5 announcement, but here we are. Future remasters of pre-TSW5 content will be free to you (at least if GWE is anything to go by). So by just getting the upgrade pack, you're already in for significant improvements for your routes including the new features, someone mentioned that GWE will get the conductor even, so yes, for free you get TSW5 functionalities without paying for anything. Even old routes, according to the FAQ, will have the fast travel option - a feature I think will become rather popular. And the argument about some routes slipping into TSW5 when they were meant for TSW4... you'd have to buy them anyway and regardless of version they would cost a route price. Now the only difference is the free upgrade needed to be claimed in between, fairly reasonable ask compared to being left behind like previously. Yes, the redownload of the whole collection and limited time availability of the upgrade is weird, but I can live with that.

 

Exactly, this is what I intend to do.

 

Indeed. People were complaining about having to buy routes they are not interested in and the core upgrades being locked behind a paywall. DTG took note of that and changed it.

Now you can update your existing game to TSW5 for free.

Some will always be disappointed in one way or another, which is normal and part of business and life.

 

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they probably wont fix that ..they using the same assets as antellope valley and they never fixed all the similar issues in that route