Does anything in this thread have any bearing on Train Sim Classic? Would it be better served moving it to the TSW forum?
You say that.... but there's no freight on Antelope either but it's there in game. And they're advertising "route hopping" for it.... so SOMETHING has to travel between the 3 routes to make that claim, and there's no passenger service on Cajon Pass either. The easiest thing I can think of is simply joining up the existing "semi-realistic" Antelope intermodals with the existing intermodals from Cajon Pass and just throwing in a "non-stop" across San Bernadino to connect the two other routes.
Sorry I meant it's not BNSF, which is what the freight is on Cajon Pass and which layers over onto Antelope line. Antelope is supposedly only Union Pacific. You know how people get about their "authenticity." There isn't "native" freight on the route if you ONLY have Antelope. It's only a layer from Cajon Pass and it's in BNSF livery (The ES44) (Yes you CAN then substitute a substitute from Sherman Hill to get something UP, but that's jumping through hoops) Point being.... that if you just have the 3 routes ANT, SBD, CJP they're going to need to create a timetable for the freight runs from ANT/CJP to pass through to enable "route jumping" since the 3 are listed specifically in the FAQ as all being linked together. So, to have timetables to link TO, San Bernadino will have to have timetables IN it for those freight and passenger timetable links. And if it's not freight....then that requires changing the CJP new timetable since it has no passenger runs in it. Freight only.
It's become a rudderless discussion charging off into things that are nothing to do with TSC, but that's not surprising given there's nothing been announced for TSC, which most people seem to see as ominous.
It's a discussion on what TSW and TSC offer, so comparing them is kind of important. What do you find useful about either game and perhaps unique? I'm in the camp with the poster above that TSC is pretty well developed for what it is, so DTG not making routes doesn't have a huge impact when there are so many routes and other devs doing that job.
The Route Hopping is a fancy way of changing maps without going back to main menu. It won´t allow you to take an ICE from Frankfurt to Fulda and carry on the journy to Kassel in the same ICE (best example I can think of). I think is kind of a nothingburger, if does not get further development. I don´t think TSC is dead anytime soon... but it definitly needs more payware content. Maybe the UK is doing fine, but the German side is dead since we get no more DTG routes once or twice a year AND TSG moved to Train Sim World.
I have seen this technique done with aircraft simulators. I am curious to see if it is seamless or not. If it is then it will impact the future of TSC product since it will be a huge leap in graphic technology. It may be a huge flop which would then make TSC more pertinent. Imagine if you have a series of bought 50 mile stretches where you can Route Hop from A to F by selecting these in the menu. If this is the path DTG is taking then this very interesting
Coming back to topic... there was a 3 hour roadmap stream tonight. Did they say anything about TSC or radio silence again?
A TSC stream isn't a bad idea. There's still content coming out from third parties, so it would be good for DTG to publicize them. I just don't see anything regularly scheduled.
That’s true enough. And despite the general positivity around TSW5 including from myself (!) one question that has so far not been answered (including a direct ping to Matt P) is what improvements have been made to the save game. Starting with more than one slot as by the time all this new content comes out there will be over 70 TSW routes. But more pertinent to route hopping or working multiple trains on a network, the current save collapses if you save on a subsequent run and won’t load the objective data back in. Which makes it kind of pointless trying to chain a driver’s diagram and keep going for several hours over a number of sessions. Complete radio silence on that one. So TSC most definitely retains the better save generally, though of course train jumping or walking round to another service at your destination isn’t possible.
Im done with TSW5 im not excited for any of the routes in it .US freight content is done most likely all they do is modern passenger routes i used to get TSW releases day 1 not this time my enthusiasm for TSW is gone ...I going full time with TSC will spend my money here now...to those developers that think going to TSW ..please dont pack your bags for that journey esp if you do US freight content you wont be welcome in TSW the player base there hates freight in general TSW has become more Passenger Train Sim World . At least TSC has a more fair balance of content ..TSC fills the void TSW willnever fill..i would like to see TSC continue there still a need for it to go forward
Don´t worry, this won´t be the case anyway. They spoke about route hopping yesterday in the roadmap. It´s a fancy way of changing routes, without going back to main menu. Timetables are not in sync and you don´t spawn in the cab, let alone in the right train. During Dovetail Direct I thought this is what it ment and also got excited. What a great way of working around merges... but it´s not anywhere near that.
After watching the 2 TSW roadmaps ive lost my excitement the route hopping no big deal ..the selling Cajon pass to people so they can access a bit of freight when most of the player base dont play freight or like it im not even interested in the free starter edition im done with the TSW shennanigans
Well there's still a LOT of TSC content out and still more in the future so it's not like you're lacking there. It's pretty stable too compared to other video games, although a couple routes with lots of extra assets have caused crashed on my rig. *shrugs* It's a lot more "community" focused than the "plug-n-play" games like TSW are. (The download discussion is evidence of that) but I like that they're different enough to be different experiences. While yes you can't "get out and walk around" or even look out the side window, it feels like there's "more" in the world with longer routes, more scenarios, and more variety. It's honestly really simple too. While detailed, it's also possible to get in the cab and just pop the brake off, forward, throttle up and go. (Did that just last night on the Lake Erie-Bessemer I'd just downloaded and it was loads of fun) Bottom line is I don't think TSC is going anywhere and it's entirely valid to muck about in it to your heart's content.
Thats why ive decided to leave TSW behind and go full in with TSC ..i plan on getting lots more routes that available on steam store and steam workshop i am a novice so i dont plan on getting into file downloading e commerce side nor route building even creating scenarios i find that too complex for my liking i just enjoy running trains on good routes
Yeah, I'm with ya. The modding and editing isn't for me. Too much work. But I'll gladly enjoy others' hard work! Some great content out there. I just picked up the Lake Erie/Bessemer route (Penn Central I think it's called now?) for free download. I really like it...although I think I'm missing some asset not listed that has the grassy areas look odd. The Teasdale/Wearsdale was a great value for me too.
Yup, that's the one. Just a lot of tun and shows the amazing stuff that's possible on TSC. Just so...populated with things to see.
TSW is a game you play for half an hour before you fire up Call of Duty. Hence the short routes. TSC is a serious train simulator that is a hobby and not a game.
Id sure love that bessemer Pennsylvania steam route but im so novice i dont understand how to download files install transfer extract etc no one here in household that can help
There's a youtube video on it that I followed. It's literally just download to your desktop, unzip the file, and put it in a folder in your game directory. It's super easy. I'm sure anyone here could walk you through it.
I feel like we are witnessing the end of TSC. The fact that it was renamed TS Classic seems to be a way of removing an obligation of annual updates to allocate those resources towards TSW. We haven't seen a DTG made route in quite a while and with TSW having more and more routes and also targetting consoles and especially with the PC editor is meaning there is deminished reason to play TSC over TSW. The only real advantage that TSC has over TSW is the larger amount of routes, and one day even that will no longer be a advantage.
It has to be said one thing (well two actually), that will keep TSC installed for the forseeable future are: 1. Steam traction. Going nowhere in TSW and DTG have simply washed their hands of it. They CBA to even fix up the broken physics they left it with in such a state. I fully intend to enjoy my fleet of Bossman, Victory, Smokebox et al aseam locos to the max. 2. US freight. We are never going to see the variety of routes and locos we have in TSW especially now as apparently the Class One railroads are refusing any sort of access for research. Doesn't seem to stand in the way of TSC third parties. The likelihood of ever seeing FRCE or some Alcos in TSW, seem just about nil. I will continue to enjoy TSW and TSW5 for what it offers and much of the new content looks very good, But there are still reasons to keep TSC around.
I'd add "Non-US/UK/European" content. Outside of those three, you're basically out of luck. TSC is expanding into every continent (I think... not sure about South America) India, China, Japan, South Africa, etc. Something that TSW has not been keen on doing. They have one "possible" in a Japanese line that is still "TBD" while TSC has a lot of global content.
I've tried really hard to like TSW but it doesn't have anywhere near the immersion, depth or variety of stock and routes like TSC. I really enjoy doing the long runs on the ECML, WCML and London - Penzance and none of that is available in TSW nor is it ever likely to be. TSW is more for the people who have a casual interest in simming in my opinion whereas TSC is more for those looking for something a bit more in depth and closer to the reality of train driving. As long as there is a base of players and enthusiasts such as Armstrong Powerhouse and ATS creating content and enhancements amongst I am sure TSC will do just fine for a while longer - I really hope so anyway.
y Ya last year at this time when TSW4 was announced they were touting the great Flying Scottsman then months later steam was dropped like a lead hammer..i bought the deluxe tsw4 to get it ..so far i ve bought the Challenger for TSC but next on my steam list is the big boy..
Agree 100%. Not a huge fan of steam, but the early diesels are really fascinating. That whole transition period. It's just not something that's in TSW. Freight is lackluster too, while there's some nice scenarios for shunting and shifting cars around too on TSC. Sure you don't get the snazzy interface or the "avatar" where you can walk around, but you get the basics and some nice routes and stock.
You can’t even randomize stuff like red signals or running/parked stock in TSW. No doing that, no money from me. I also have too much money invested in TSC. Not going to shell out once again for a DB101….etc….
Considering that by my count (could be wrong) 9 routes and a half dozen locos came out this year for TSC, it's far from "forgotten." That's more content than TSW.
My bottom line is quite simple. If TSW is not yet capable of seamless connections between sections of line (Routes or other) so that I can drive a long realistic path (e.g. Euston to Preston as per real life) then I am not interested. Since I live in the US my personal ideal would be to run a GE P42 from San Antonio to Fort Worth. Or run the Empire Builder from Chicago to St Paul. Currently these ideals are more likely to happen in the TSC nexus. I can only dream.
With all the info that is coming out the past of couple of days... I must admit the next couple of months are looking very strong for TSW. But it´s totally down to personal taste. Frankfurt - Fulda with functional GNT and proper tilting ICE-T does look very nice (won´t be seeing that in TSC anytime soon!). On top the Flixtrain with the Vectron having the differently modeld cab and the accurate waggons as a complete new build really tickles me. This is the kind of attention to detail I really like. The Vectron has always been the best loco in TSW for me anyway and now it´s getting different liveries with accurate cabs and pantographs. Love that, can´t lie. Then you got the busy south section of WCML, the WCML over Shap in the 80´s with Class 87 from JT. Manchester Route from ATS, Dutch route, wales route, unknown route from TSG and so on. I´d never thought I would give this franchise another chance, but damn. It is Looking good. All the new content will also layer all over the place and make other stuff better. I am not getting rid of TSC anytime soon because of it ... but might have to agree with OldVern and tip my toes in the water and give the deluxe version a go.
I’ll take the free upgrade and wait for a sale. Was hoping the route hopping would be more appealing. Really not interested in being a conductor. Just really boring in my opinion getting kudos for putting people’s bags under the seat.
If you look at the Steam Database more people are now playing TSW4 than TSC at peak times. Just saying.
Do people need to use Steam to play TSC? I know there's a lot of console players not using Steam so won't be listed on those stats (they'd be listed by XBox or Playstation numbers) I just don't know if people play TSC outside of Steam. Having said that... simply having more TSW players means nothing in this discussion since that's already a given. The question was what is the future of TSC? As long as there are enough people playing, it will continue regardless of what TSW does.
TSW just got like 9 routes announced and a bunch of new trains whilst over here we are asking yourselfs, if anyone is ever going to build anything again. So that´s no suprise.
One good piece of news for all of you ATS haters. The new ATS TSW5 route will NOT use the ATS Installer ;p
TSC has had about as much released in the past year, just not bunched all at once at a yearly release like TSW. I'd argue that if DTG did that for TSC (maybe at the opposite part of the calendar to prevent conflicts), you'd probably see the same thing. I don't think TSC has the same marketing and bundling. If you look even on this forum, there were I think 9 routes released since January.... and those 9 routes for TSW are for the next year not right now so it's comparable in actual releases.
Not defending or beating on TSW, I am a TSC player pure and simple, but what I will say about TSW5 is IF (and it's a bloody big if) Matt and JD's promises and assurances are for once more than just the usual DTG corporate BS then this iteration of TSW is actually finally starting to become what TSW should always have been. And no, it never was and never is going to be a replacement for TSC but it could... I say could... be a worthy and welcome addition to every train simmers catalogue.
The one advantage of DTG insisting all DLC content for TSW goes through them. Though doesn’t necessarily follow on as regards QA. Just look at some of the LOVE Rivet have put out that got rubber stamped for release. Main difference with TSW and TSC is that the former, certainly for the UK, is dominated by commuter passenger. There are a few longer routes with (now) classics like NTP or last year’s segment of the ECML. But when my card randomiser draws Cathcart, Glossop, Goblin Line etc. vs the possibility of Weardale, WLoS, West Highland, the JT WR routes in TSC, you can see where the emphasis lies. Hopefully the forthcoming JT WCML over Shap will go some way to redressing that balance.
I think TSC is doing fine, lots of core improvements the last years. Stability has changed immensly and there have been various beta versions that found their way to the Steam. At the moment the team is ". . . working on some really annoying bugs that have been around for a long time . ". All in all I think that TS is better than it has ever been ! Some TS news is the discussed vidcast would havebeen nice though Train Simulator Classic - Developer Update Part 4: https://live.dovetailgames.com/live.../article/train-simulator-classic-dev-update-4
Saw on US non dramatic version forum High Iron coming out with Bozeman Pass 1970 era northern Pacific and Burlington northern locos and rolling stock ...more pic s coming soon it said.. Another classic US freight route release ..and TSW dont give any new US freight route releases....just crying whining we can t do them need proper sounds access we cant get photos or license s..blah blah blah excuses excuses excuses...
TSW will never match TSC as far as longer routes ...i will eat these words ..when I can play the FULL 140 mile B&O mountain sub . All 124 miles of the Pacific. Surfliner La San Diego,, 155 mile Stevens Pass on TSW along with.the pretty visuals tsw hasTSW prob never match those
Ahh well sort off. My TSC pc isn’t connected to the internet, unless i really want to upgrade something that will only upgrade through steam. So steam can’t see when i am playing TSC.
True a lot of people probably play TSC even TSW offline so the steam playtime stats should be taken with a grain of salt.. Lately i haven t touched TSW except to do updates and played some of remastered Cathcart route ..other wise since im full in on TSC since early June i ve been playing TSC mostly and Trainz 19 22
