As a Add on for cane creek on TSW5 I would like to see the SD90MAC, if they can’t do that I’m at least hoping for the ET44AH
I have a lot of other loco suggestions and rail cars like SD40-3 SD70ACU ET44ACH Steel Coil Cars 80 FT box car Load cars in formation designer And finally the AC6000CW These are all the new Loco’s and rail cars that I’m hoping will be added for TSW5 and some TSW6
w sadly you probably wont get ether with the current freight hater attitude s both DTG and most of the player base has twd US freight and freight in general.it looking verrrryyyy grim
No one in DTG and barely anyone in the community has any hate towards freight, that's not the block. The block is the Class 1 railroads won't let DTG get close to the engines to record sounds and gather data. It was a playerbase full of perfectionists combined with that limitation that put a hiatus on US freight, though some people seem to be coming around to the idea of having these things not perfect but as close as reasonably possible, so it may be back on the table in future. Regardless though, this thread would be better suited in the suggestions category.
Exactly this. People complain when sounds or other things are incorrect or recycled due to inability to source sounds etc, which is kinda understandable - we want the most authentic experience, but then they also complain when DTG decide to put it on hold until they are able to sufficiently source said resources. It baffles me.
There's no pleasing some people. This hiatus is what that uncompromising, all or nothing mindset gets you. Because the moment someone else isn't willing to compromise, and some corporate bodies aren't, it's immediately game over. At this point something has to give, as so far nothing has and look what we've got to show for it. TSW5 is on the horizon, and once it hits it will have been two whole years since the last US freight route. The only future to be had for US freight if people want it to be here, is in the likes of the SD70 having recycled Class 66 engine sounds, and the one train with a fictional cab which Matt once mentioned but didn't identify.
we Well iv e read on here US freight routes dont sell well ..so the odds are very highly stacked against it .not much confidence in my opinion of us freight ever come back in TSW ..there alot of non US content thats far from perfect but nooo only the US stuff gets picked on and we get denied new freight ..but they still do lots of every thing else nooooo problems with that perfect or not something just aint right with this whole US freight thing just seem they single out just the US NA on pourpose
Yes I'm a lover of US freight and I know Matt is too. I think aside from a few sticklers that take it way too far, the mostly silent majority would be happy with sounds imported from another diesel. I know I certainly would. It's a bit sad when some have meltdowns on here because DTG dared get a decibel out on some loco, obviously it's nice to have it right but not always practical. For me it's really not a deal breaker. Bare in mind too that it's the perfectionists (nothing wrong with being one) that use the forums the most so it can end up being an echo chamber of sorts which doesn't necessarily reflect the entire player base. I think the demise of US freight for this reason alone is self inflicted harm.
I've not seen that they weren't selling well. I do remember Matt stating that US freight operators just don't wanna give them access for research.
i called them out on the boston route forum they got access to the GEVO 12 engine sounds via MBTA , Matt made a comment like this is why we been doing passenger routes cause the freight RR s wont give us access to their toys...my response was you just got the Gevo 12 sound it the same engine thats in ge freight locos so you can use it for es44 et44 locos ...they shoot down everything we suggest with a nuclear missle ....this whole issue with US freight is at an impossible stalemate ..i have lost hope im switching to TSC and other games that have and deliver US NA freight content new and classic ..
It's a good idea to look out for other simulations that deliver what you want in some way or another. And DTG will be happy if you're buying TSC content also. No single game is the be-all-end-all.
we Well the silent majority needs to get involved and start speaking up the more the better they need to hear and listen to us not speaking up or out will not help .
I've purchased all US content for TSC and TSW. Can't do more... and we have jackmiller1234567890 who is regularly posting detailed suggestions.
y Ya TSC not perfect no game is ..but there are some people starting to raise concerns about TSC s future on TSC forums and im spending money now on TSC cause it has a lot of NA US freight routes and content new and classic the fellow on here rquesting a SD90 mac there s one in TSC you get it with the UP livonia sub i think or a seperate loco DLC
In any case, what's there is there. They recompiled the core to stay future compatible, and have a selection of ~800 DLC on Steam, then add third party addons and freeware and we have stuff to enjoy for the rest of our lives. Even with no DTG content in the future, there's still hundreds of freeware routes and locos I haven't checked yet (because honestly I'm drowning in content. I got 6 years old DLC where I haven't even finished the supplied scenarios, mostly playing Workshop stuff (~30,000 items).
i own every US freight and passenger route in TSW ,im not spending another penny on TSW till US NA freight makes a major comeback ..at the current stance i dont think ill be doing that ..I would enjoy eating those words if it does ..As far as Tsc i just got into it in june but i intend on buying all the NA US freight routes or passenger routes that have freight included
Let's just say the quality standards for US locos in TSC are somewhat lower. You wouldn't want to have a DTM (HIS/Gary gets the hate mainly because of cooperating with Cesar, but then nobody else does all the US stuff) made loco in UE4, he's apparently using scale models as a reference, often highly out of proportion, flat non-AO texturing and using copypasted sounds (and wrong Cab Occlusion blueprints still). The TSW4 players won't accept that. The more advanced the game engine, the more advanced the visual expectations from customers are. It's just easier and more accepted on TSC to have a lower quality standard (not all, Reppo, DieselWorkshop and Searchlight Simulations being notable exceptions), that then gets enhanced by modders (which is much easier to do in TSC). And we have route builders with many years of experience in TSC. Also missing logos can be replaced, which is not possible for console TSW players. Racetrack Chicago was just released unbranded, a patch was found on the net for Metra logos.
Which was mainly served by a handful of developers. Some stuff like Sacramento Northern: Suisun Bay in the 40's from G-TraX is really awesome, I consider this one to be a timeless piece of art.
y yes TSC not perfect either but that stuff dont bother me much at all ..ive even said i would accept unbranded stuff in TSW but im a lone wolf i guess
a i have Trainz 19 and 22 they got tons of US NA freight engines and cars you get them as free assets when you buy routes there is also paid loco and cars DLC and freeware
I get a lot of fun out of driving some cool, and long, routes in TSC. I don't go looking up real recordings of the engines on YouTube either. Even Trainz22 has some fun shunting scenarios. I especially enjoy retro stuff, but all US freight really.
Yeah Trainz and TSC save the day. As a Brit I'm embarrassed about the way US players are being treated in this game.
The only saving grace is Gary recruited Ricardo Rivera (REPPO) to his TSW crew, so there is some slight hope of decent models.....
There is an ES44 in game already on Cajon Pass. You don't need much more than what is in game for modern US freight since a LOT of it is hauled by a few locos which are mainly related to one another. It's either GE or EMD and they're just evolutions of the last model. I love US locos but you have to admit that compared to Europe we do tend to standardize on larger fleets a lot more. There's actually a large existing stable already. GP-9 GP-38 GP-38-2 SD-40 SD-40-2 SD-2070 AC4440 ES44 (just the freight listed, as that's what's relevant to the discussion) The problem is not the locos on doing ROUTES. (adding NEW locos perhaps.... the SD 90 is a huge engine that is far larger than other locos) It's the permissions to do the rails that is the problem for the routes themselves from what I've heard on this forum from DTG people. The problem is that there's so few large rail operators in control of most of the networks and being corporate it's hard getting permissions. Now I dunno.... we do have UP, BNSF, CSX and NS liveries and locos in game. So they played ball at SOME point. However, getting permission to map the routes seems to be a different story. They obviously ARE getting SOME access, but not all the lines and such. Two things that aren't really being discussed are a) older stock (no plans for any 1950s, 1960s stuff, and even ALCO stuff which went out of business 50 years ago and I think would be easier to get copyrights for, etc) That'd give a lot of variety without being out of place since the RS 11 for example was a counterpart to the GP 9 I think, etc. b) heritage railways- I know...not "freight" usually but there's a local few that AREN'T class 1 controlled and DO run freight as well as passenger rides. Sure they're not insanely fast or SUPER heavy freight, but they services local industries and haul passengers to pay the bills. They INVITE people in and would LOVE the exposure and opportunity. The Arcade and Attica RR is one and the Adirondack RR is another. I've suggested some more "industrial" ones that are more freight focused, but so many of them have been bought out by the larger operators that don't want to play ball like the Rochester and Southern railroad that is owned by a global corporation. I know I like the WSR dlc, albeit it's short... and if that sort of thing could be done with a US heritage railway that actually hauls local freight as well as passengers that'd be pretty neat. They're not ALL short either, since I know the Adirondack runs along over 100 miles of track across the State Park and the Attica runs on 14 miles regularly for local businesses, but they connect to more and do lots of handovers to the class 1 railroads. Neither to my knowledge has any corporate connections either, being run internally by their own local HQ and funding so they don't have to "ask permission." There have to be a TON of other small railroads like that across the country that would jump at the opportunity to get in the game, or even just to share technical specs or knowledge. Many of them are museums after all... and quite a few run at decent speeds not just the 25mph limits on many heritage runs in the UK. Old stock yes you
The SD90MAC and SD90-43MAC in UP livery would be awesome, but we'd probably get an NS SD70ACU rebuild (for HSC; this should happen in the future) rather than a UP SD90. I believe that UP still rosters some of their SD90-43MACs, although I don't think they are on the active roster. Correct me if I'm wrong. Are they being rebuilt like the NS SD70ACUs?
Not from what I understand from what Matt had said in the past. Its mainly access to the equipment for research purposes and sound recording. Things that Caltrain, Metrolink, MBTA, and Amtrak has allowed in the past. Various reasons we cant do this or that is cause we cant get access, or if we want to go a vintage loco, we cant used a museum cause we cant run at max track speed. Etc, etc etc. This quote from April puts everything about US content and Freight into perspective. My only question is what work when into the BNSF ES44C4 that made it decent? Its modeled well and has decent sounds. It worked, but then DTG threw out the terrible BNSF SD70ACe shortly after it.
Well my point was that for new ROUTES you don't need access to vehicles we already have in game. You're talking about new LOCOS which is a different creature. You CAN build new freight routes without having to have a ton of new locos since so many routes use the same main workhorses. If you NEED to have new locos with every route then...well yes especially the earlier stuff. Most of the Class 1s have a mixture of stock so you don't NEED to do a route with a GP-40.... but you WANT to have a GP-40 aesthetically. A new route could use an SD-40 or a GP-38 and make the route work just fine, but there's an addiction to new locos. I get it... but that makes it more difficult if access to those types is limited. Going back to the original thread.... an SD90 would be... okay.... but it's essentially the same experience as an SD 70 with more hp. (Although most of them were converted back to SD 70s so... might as well drive what we already have in game...) It's not fundamentally a different experience like going to say an F7 or an ALCO RS 11. I see people falling into this on the UK routes too where routes are "trash" if they're only "old locos." I'd buy a route with just "old locos" if it was a bit cheaper to compensate. Don't give me a new loco, cut $10 off and I'd still buy it. That's my opinion. People can agree or disagree...but I think the obsession with "new locos with every route" is holding things back when access to locos is limited. I did suggest there are heritage railways that DO have functioning locos they give tours of on ACTUAL rails (like the ALCO on the Arcade and Attica or the Adirondack railroads nearby) https://adirondackrr.com/ https://adirondackrr.com/ They're functioning engines that often get "up to speed" and are fully functional and they allow full access to parties that want to learn about them. Granted they are OLDER locos from the 50s thru 70s, but they're still functional and haul for revenue. They are also very COMMON locos from that time period, so doing a heritage/local route in current day or an era-specific route using them would be entirely possible accurately. I get it. They're not the "big boys" and "modern" but they're readily available and accessible.
Exactly, there are additions they can still do, there are workarounds with sounds that could be explained to the player base prior to release, I'm sure the vast majority would understand the restricted access. No need to chop the head off US freight entirely.
