A question for DTG Matt / Joethefish - we know that Rivet has been involved at some level in creating WCML as at least a second-party contractor. Could you please confirm if DTG or Rivet have been responsible for the timetable/service mode, and if this will accurately represent the full WTT including intermediate stops (ie. no simulated timings)? Without wishing to become vitriolic, I think it would be fair to say that Rivet's timetables in the past have not met the standard expected by the community. Cheers!
One of the hints that WCML was coming was an Artstation post from a Rivet contractor who had worked on the model for a building next to Tring station.
Sorry what? Yeah and whats the involvement for the timetable then? And its for me a little diving to deep for clues
I think that you have to wait until Thursday for youre answers here... And beware the gamescon version is not the final result its a beta and everything can changed here. So better is to wait i think
Well that’s what OP’s question is. Are Rivet involved in the timetable? All we know is they’ve been involved with WCML.
Yes thats one half of his question... The other half is about the timetables and i written that that footage is WIP
I'm very much hoping this is just an early build given that there should be 8 departures from Euston in the timespan shown and there are just 4 in-game (red mark next to missing services).
Matt mentioned about having a reduced timetable for weaker systems e.g last gen consoles so it's unlikely to be the full one.
If you looking the whole footage very closely you see a lot of missing details so im sure this an early build. I can not believe the will give a half timetable.
Yeah, for the weaker systems, not because of. Last gen will just get less than PC/Current Gen. Everyone doesn’t get punished because of last gen.
It could be that, or that Rivet were entrusted to do the timetable. Fife Circle had 50% of it's services missing upon release. Its deeply concerning, and I'd hoped someone from DTG would come forward to explain. Many of us have already paid for WCMLS so we deserve some transparency. Not too late to refund after all. If the 350 has missing services, I fear the DC line will be decimated.
I meant that there's probably two options to select from, kind of like BML and SEHS, one full, one reduced, they may be looking at the reduced one here.
But the reduced timetables before have only taken layers away, the services for included traction (in this case 350 and 377) have always been there in full for both timetables as far as I have seen and heard.
Yes it is rather concerning, though easily solved by someone from DTG just saying that it is there in full and this were not the final timetable.
Thursday you will see the route in his full glory with plenty of time to decide if you spend your money on it....
Yeah the only time we’ve seen missing services for a train on a weaker timetable, is if said train has a different consist (usually freight, HST variants etc). I can’t see a reason why 350 runs would be excluded.
Where is the evidence whats Rivet part is on this route? Is there evidence that they have built the timetable? Or is that a assumption whats getting is own story now and never is confirmed?
A Rivet dev revealed that they had at least took part in scenery on the route. OP has asked what Rivets extent of inclusion was. Nobody is saying Rivet did the timetable, they are asking if they did.
Okay fair enough but for sure there is no clue that they involved so its very clear that there is no sign that the timetable is incomplete due to Rivet.... So better wait until Thursday
Unfortunately no developer is going to respond until at least tomorrow because it's a Sunday, unless Matt is bored on his day off. I think everyone needs to stop panicking. Missing services could be due to it being a beta build and/ or it being a reduced PS4/ Xbox One timetable. I seem to recall that one of the promotional images DTG released for this route (or it was brought up on stream) mentioned that a benefit to playing on current gen is having access to a busier timetable. I can think of absolutely no reason why Rivet would have involvement in the timetable of all things for a DTG route.
Thats exactly what i already try to explain. This kind panicking is not useful and create falsh assumptions with no reason.
I'm pretty confident if DT are listing this product as one of their own it'll follow a higher standard and any issues will be ironed out as they would not want their own routes getting the type of reviews and publicity of Fife Circle. Atleast I hope so!
Rivet has got such a "good" reputation that even just a mention of their name among those who worked on a dlc concernes people
Oh I will definitely be watching this thread. After the NYT-Trenton debacle I think they should have learned that people really want a realistic and complete timetable. If services are missing I hope the early build answer is the explanation and we find out more on Thursday (or before).
Rivet were involved in the original Cathcart Circle scenery which was received quite well when it was released. I suspect they are working in a similar capacity here. As for the missing timetable services, I have no idea, but it is good that it has been brought to DTG's attention.
Usually, they upload the services that have been tested and work their way through, I remember Skyhook saying something similar when they reworked the MML timetable. So I suspect they've done a handfull of testing, and then, with the release still 3 weeks(ish) away, they'll be finishing testing the remainder.
Hmmm... "reflecting" is an interesting choice of word. At first glance you could read it as it reflects the real life traffic as in it is the same as the real timetable, but it doesn't address it definitively. You could also interpret it as it "reflects" how busy the route is in real life but isn't necessarily the entire timetable. Maybe I am splitting hairs here. I think the route preview this week is when we will have it settled for sure. I hope we get as complete/accurate as possible for the 390, 350, 310, 377 at least. The rest of the stuff like freight etc is icing on the cake. NY Trenton release has me vigilant about these type of things.
I thought this too. I guess it was just forgotten on the forum post, because it's in the article on DTG's website.
I noticed that too, that must be an error, the 377 is a headliner for the route and its been mentioned as timetable services before.
Well, they did with KWG. You don’t need to get so emotional at every question asked on the forum. The 377/2 services weren’t listed in the post, when everything else was. Hence the question.
I have to say usually they are rather proud of providing us with a full timetable and plaster this over articles, except from routes where they haven't recreated a full timetable. I really do hope there isn't any concern needed but it is definitely here. All that needs to be done is someone from DTG coming here and be totally upfront, giving us a yay or nay so we know here we stand. If not it must be confirmed in the pre release stream.
Further more ive point out some parts from the DTG Live blog... "With so many trains operating many different styles of services and stopping patterns, a robust timetable has been created reflecting the amount of traffic that this busy stretch of the West Coast Main Line receives. As we mentioned in our Roadmap article, this has been one of the more complex areas of development, with so many trains interacting with one another from a signalling and pathing point of view." " The types of service available to operate in service mode include: Limited-stop Class 350 services to the likes of Crewe, Rugby, Birmingham New Street and Northampton (all ending in-game at Milton Keynes) All-stop Class 350 services to Bletchley, Tring and Milton Keynes Central Class 350 ECS movements between Bletchley sidings and either Tring, Bletchley or London Euston, as well as between Camden sidings and London Euston. Class 377/2 services playable between Watford Junction and Wembley Central London Underground Bakerloo Line services between Harrow & Wealdstone and Queens Park, as well as some ECS moves at Stonebridge Park. Class 66 freight services. These arrive from off the map using the Willesden relief lines and are then playable until they reach Milton Keynes. These are all formed of intermodal trains"
Yeah, one would've thought this would be a pretty simple question to answer, especially considering some of the other questions that were happily answered last week.
