Wcml South - Not Good Enough

To me the route didn't seem that bad, although lighting and all was bad in places, its not unplayable.
The timetable did look incredibly dead from what I was expecting though, that's the part which really got me.

 

But if you went to the free version, you wouldn’t get any money out of it.

 

Not saying I think this route was completely made by Rivet, but I did notice that the class 350 seemed to have some Rivet features such as the window being openable to a certain point, and also the master key being click to enable rather than being able to turn it to enable it.

 

Thank you!!! But whos joking after seeing that turd

 

I'm not german. are you trolling or is this S*** real?

 

It’s really quite ridiculously bad.

 

Class 710 Timetable is a joke, where are all the Trains?
How is it possible that 90 Minute there is no Train from Watford, when they driving each hour all 15 Minutes

 

Why is there a 90 minute gap in departures off Watford Junction for the 710? This line sees 3-4 trains per hour in reality!

 

great minds think alike

 

absolutely ridiculous.. if it's a wip timetable, then fine, at least tell us! this radio silence is just doing DTG more harm than good.

 

I'm personally gonna give DTG the benefit of the doubt. Looking at Goblin, we know they can definitely do better. even if not great in early access or even at proper launch. If they do a skyhook and properly take the time to finsih it (MML) then i can forgive them. if not and thats the final build and what we get. then sorry but i will stop purchasiong DTG stuff out right. I'd stick to the good devs such as JT, SHG, and try the newer ones such as Athena (ECML diesel)

 

I might go in my back garden right now, and manifest JT going into overtime to complete WCML OS

 

If thats the real Timetable then This Route is Dead since the First Day.
Thats Why the Stream was so empty from the Tracks. When they not even get the current Timetable Right

 

That really bugs me as it bugs me on MML with the Class 158. I absolutely hate it

 

I might do the same but instead of getting WCML finished, getting JT to expand and take over TSW development a a whole.

 

it was a joke, thought it was funny

 

it was. im jusrt a bit dumb. i thought there was 2 stations called that and was callingf that dumb

 

One of the most highly requested routes in recent TSW history just got shown off in a less than satisfactory dev build, I’m not sure how old it was but certain bugs shouldn’t be there this close to release; that 710 timetables everyone’s talking about is quite disappointing too, why couldn’t DTG (or Rivet) implement the full thing?

 

there are quite a lot of stations beginning with "Frankfurt (Main)..." (Hbf, Süd, Flughafen Fernbahnhof etc.) so one may be easily confused

 

Better fixed the Timetable First for all Trains
Specially the 710 to every 15 Minutes from the real Timetable
Or we need already DTG Liam to make the Route enjoyable

 

My thoughts about the WCMLS preview:
Timetable very empty, lots of missing services. We were told, there would be so many trains, but you can be happy, if you pass 1 on the way.
Where are all the Class 710 and 72TS services?
You were talking about using more layers for timetables, so it would be easier to switch things off. So why only one big layer for Class 377/2, Class 350 and 72TS combined? Looking at what we already saw for Frankfurt-Fulda, which every different S-Bahn-line, RB-line, etc has its own layer; but not WCMLS?

No off-route destinations for PIS?

Where are the realistic timetables we had before? Why are we back to fantasy timetables, like Rivet does in their routes?
The realistic timetables were one of the best things.

No railtours? No RHTT? No New Journey 2-drags with the Class 37/7? (No Class 87-railtour from Over Shap?)

Light baking lots of issues.
The new long distance shadows don't work on 3rd and 4th rail.

The missing license is the least thing that irritates me in this preview.

 

My biggest issue is the dead timetable, combined with the broken off-map destinations. extremely disappointed

 

We all know what we've seen tonight is what we'll get in two weeks. I guess some things never change

 

it’s time for Just Trains to shine!

 

yeah, remind me if i ever go to germnay to never get on a train in Frankfurt

 

good point, Liam Is it to early to ask for a remaster?

 

Or Joethefish to make the real 2024 Timetable

 

I'm hoping for a storm Sunday night

I can't get excited about glorified trams, or modern routes though.

 

I’ve not watched the stream but these are worrying comments. I’m wondering if the release date will be delayed.

 

It maybe a timetable taken during the recurring rail strikes.

 

Have to say that my gut feeling is that overall the route feels rushed. A few too many issues that I wouldn't expect on a launch route.

The lighting on that Pendalino when they went over to where the HS2 line is, was very poor, to the point u wonder how the dev team cannot mention it on the live feed, it sticks out that bad.

As others have said, I really feel they should not be previewing anything but the final release build, to save on the potential for lost sales.

Suspension was a TSW4 feature and was only released last month, with the admission that all future routes would have it going forward. Then they have last minute issues with that and the loss of the licence. Something just feels off.

Quality over quantity please.

Feels a little like Fife Circle.....it needs more time to get right rather than releasing something that may need three patches to solve and get to the correct standard. That just drives people to wait for the corrected route in the sales.

 

I’m not really sure how accurate the timetable is to reality, but if the entire thing is missing as many services as the Overground section is, then that’s pretty bad. The PIS not showing off map destinations is disappointing to me as well.

I’m also a bit disappointed by the lighting that’s been shown off, specifically the issues with tunnel lighting and carriages being lit up in dark areas like Euston. I understand this is an issue that’s come up in many routes, but I feel like more care could’ve been taken in this respect for the big core route.

Something I’m slightly worried about is the distant scenery. That might seem a bit petty for a train simulator where most of the time you’re down on the line and can’t see too far beyond the tracks, but distant scenery matters a lot to me. I’ve gone back and looked at the scenery on the Bakerloo line, since it was mentioned that this section of the route was brought over to fill in that section on this route. But the distant scenery on Bakerloo is really not that good.

I just don’t like it when you bring the camera up and the world becomes empty after 3 rows of houses. As a US player, this is one of my biggest issues with routes like LIRR and New York - Trenton (Among others). It seems like DTG got much better at distant scenery in TSW 3, which I’m happy about. But then when sections are reused such as most of the LIRR route, it doesn’t seem like scenery gets updated on those sections.

I’m really hoping that they took the time to update distance scenery for this section of the route, but based on what I’ve seen of Harrow & Wealdstone in the preview, I’m not overly optimistic about this.

 

What a shame. I went into this so excited... Though I'm happy with the detail of the scenery (I feel like it's an upgrade from the scenery US routes receive), the poor lighting, specifically night lighting is just unacceptable. I doubt much will change between now and early access given it's only 2 weeks away. Oof.

 

So I just got back from work, watched the stream and I was about to take to the forums to sing my praises, only to find everyone in uproar as usual...

Could someone concisely summarise what's allegedly wrong with the route? I see people mentioning 390 GSMR and completely glossing over that this was addressed and usually works (if it didn't why did the person playing go to switch it on?).

I watched the full Pendolino run and am currently watching the 350 run, and nothing is jumping out to me as bad.

 

Here is the real 710 Timetable
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/watford-...don-overground-timetable-june-to-dec-2024.pdf

 

-Reduced 710 timetable (from what others have said)
-iffy 390 running sounds
-no suspension for the 350, 377/2 & 1972 stock
-lighting issues
-Sparse timetable (no rail tours, RHTT, ROG 37 etc)
-no neutral sections
-broken GSMR
-broken PIS

 

Yeahh it is incredibly disappointing, especially for such a highly anticipated route. I mean it has gotta be the most requested UK route, and for it to be messed up like this is truly disgusting. As i’ve said, if it’s an early build and stuff is unfinished, fine, but it isn’t acceptable for DTG to not address this.

The timetable we saw today is not finished. It would be awful if DTG release it in the state we saw it in tonight.

Rant over

 

from what i have gathered. the timetable isnt realistci and is missing lots. for example for LO services there is a 90 min gap at midday of departures from watford. in reality there is only a 15 min gap for most of the day with many other services missing. also the lighting is quite off druing night and in tunnels. this includes euston. surpriuse this morning with the news that the 350 is now debranded and so is most stations so no LNWR branding. that bit wasnt DTG's fault as LNWR pulled out this week after everything was announced. also graphics looked a bit dodge and a big lack of traffic. also a lack of ROG drags, RHTT serives and railtours. hopefully these last points can and will be fixed. theres a few other issues that people have highligt but i cant remember them off the top of my head.

 

1. Okay that is disappointing, but I see the 710 as an "extra" for this route so I'm not losing sleep over it.
2. I disagree. I think it sounded great. Much better than the Azuma at least.
3. I feel like this is one of those features I'll barely notice anyway so I don't care.
4. Lighting has always been an issue so how is this surprising? I'll admit it's poor at Euston but not worth cancelling pre orders over.
5. I don't need RHTT or ROG services ALL the time. Again, they're just extras.
6. Neutral sections are automatic so it has no impact on gameplay.
7. GSMR works on the 350, and they said it usually does on the 390. Same for destination indicators on the 390 doors, which they said should work.

 

Looks like WCML is about to get NYT/FIFE treatment such a shame

 

Looks like something Rivet threw together last weekend......so disappointing

 

There’s simply no way they can hide (despite their silence) that Rivet made the timetable. It is absolutely LOVE. Unrealistic. PIS is wrong. And there are no off map destinations.

if that timetable isn’t reworked before release I’m gonna cancel my order. I’m absolutely sick to death of them ruining TSW content.

 

That statement may be closer to reality than you think.

 

Haven’t watched the stream yet, but given the extremely disappointing feedback here, I’m going to cancel my preorder of TSW 5 Deluxe.

 

Oh i know.....there is a bang of fife circle off it

 

Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda.

Who really trusts DTG at this point? I don’t trust a word they say.

 

I have only watched up to the end of the 350 run to Tring and I don't want to delve to deep yet, but bloody hell this isn't looking great at all. Must admit the scenery getting out toward Tring did look nice, but that area around Willesden just looked rather bare if I am honest. My big issue is the timetable, Avanti services seem fine, LNWR seem fairly decent (though a lot of 4 cars heading to Euston at 0830) but apart from the 710 arriving into Euston and the 72 stock in the siding I did not see any other trains on the DC line, again this were at 0830. The route just didn't look as busy as expected.

You know what though I were never particularly amazed by this route as it is essentially a glorified commuter run, with some one stop wonders with the 390, so won't miss it. The actual WCML will be releasing in a few months time and I have BPO to enjoy in the meantime.

 

And I don't trust what most members of this forum say. I watched the preview stream and I liked what I saw. Yes it's got problems, ones that I seriously hope are fixed at some point, preferably soon, however there's plenty to be excited for with this route.

Even as it is now, I can easily see it rivalling London Commuter/ MML from my favourite in the game.

 

If you’re happy with it, fine. But you’ve just said you seriously hope DTG fixes the problems soon. I seriously hope you don’t hold your breath. The fact they’ve previewed the route in that condition says it all.