Enough Is Enough!!! The Ongoing Saga!!! It's Almost The 3 Year Anniversary

Like CN #3502?

 

I'm so sorry that i posted my disappointment posts a few days to early about the release of TSW5. But now i hope some people learned a lesson that TSW5 is the best example for a bad product.

I hope DTG also learned a lesson either and stopping release a game every year and start to fixing things in the current game Version.

TSW5 is nothing more than an edited version of its predecessor. They haven't reprogrammed the game from scratch (so the "new features" have simple implemented in TSW3 or TSW4), makes the same mistakes again, dont learn anything than make money about bad products and they've just tried to rework the old one with bad results. I thought they really learned from the past, but i will stick with TSW 3. I still have enough DLC there that I can buy in the sale at some later point in hugh sale.

Not interested in the free version either.
Perhaps in three years the Suspension feature is a standard feature.

Why the hell you are programming games like TSW Tycoon or TSW VR if that power of delevopers can simple bring good updates and features to Train Sim World? I dont get it till today.

Simply wasted resources for a really good Train Sim World. If you ever change your point of view and stick with one game and always bring free updates and bug fixes for it, making good money with good DLC, then maybe I'll buy another game from you. Until then, I'll watch the demise of Train Sim World from afar. What a shame for such a great game.

 

I've been watching the WCML stream with my friends and we've spent most of the time laughing at the glaring issues, many of which the trio were purposely ignoring. The lighting is horrible, the scenery is bare, the sounds for both the 390 and 350 are dreadful, the lack of guard mode for the 377 and 390 is because they couldn't be bothered, the timetable is a ghost town, the passengers have all gone to the rapture, the menu music is so generic it's painful, and the UI design is so garish that I believe they looked at Saints Row 3 and thought 'how can we make this uglier?'

Remember, you can always get the 113-mile Train Simulator version with six trains (including every appropriate variant of the 350), which is cheaper than the TSW version and has better scenery too.

 

Indeed the UI looks as if it was done by amateurs. I've mentioned the "5" already in the logo (which uses mismatching radii so it seems unstable), they could've at least used the 5 from their new UI font. It's completely incoherent design. Loving the sleek black/gold theme of ETS2/ATS that was done by professionals obviously.

TSC's WCML South launch issues (performance) were fixed, it's a fine route.

 

Preferring a ride on that Red Five

 

I'd prefer this Red Five craft.

 

The tsc version might be cheaper but you get no timetable which offers more replay value than a couple scenarios and you're done

 

WCML. A year later, another major release later, and enough is still enough… you couldn’t make this stuff up.
Although it was perhaps not entirely unpredictable…

 

I'm not sure how many are specifically for WCMLS, but there's more than 600 scenarios for the WCML overall on ATS.

https://alanthomsonsim.com/scenarios/?fwp_download_scenarios=scenarios-uk-major-wcml

That should provide more than enough variety.

 

Yes but you need to invest quite a bit of money into it!!!

 

Yes, TSC scenario creators have no sense of restraint and think that absolutely every service that's there in real life needs to be included, no matter how little it adds.

 

Not to mention the easy Quick Drive of TSC or the relatively simple editor to create your own scenarios.

 

That's true, but you always have the option to swap stock to use stuff you already have, or press F2 and run the scenarios without anything that's missing. Luckily, WCMLS includes versions of pretty much every train you'd want to drive on the route anyway.

The quick drive for WCMLS is pretty impressive with many AI trains. When going to the north from London you can even overtake other trains.

 

Playing a simulator for realism, who would have thought...
I don't even understand how that's a bad thing in any kind of way ????

 

You'd also have to "invest" into TSW if you want to have layers appearing.

TSC WCMLS Euston - Birmingham comes with 5 different classes included. 221, 350, 377, 378 and 390 already plus great QuickDrives offering an ever randomised timetable sort of experience.

 

lol, people ask the same with the TSW timetables or am I missing something?

 

Thing is you have to go out of your way to find the dependency heavy items, you're not going to encounter said items just buying items off the Steam store. And thing is if you're the type of person who knows where to get those dependency heavy items you also can find scenarios which aren't as heavy with the requirements. I've found plenty of workshop scenarios which just use default stock, or only have two or three extra DLCs added in. I'm not saying it isn't a problem mind you, it is and it's kind of ridiculous what some scenarios demand for sure. But conversely it's easy enough to just ignore them and browse for other scenarios,

 

This is very true for German content... we just had this discussion on Railsim. But for UK content it´s "easy". Readmes usually list everything AP ever released. In the UK it´s a money thing, but not of searching.

 

Excessive requirements are a bad thing.

The difference is the layer system!

 

Or press F2 in the scenario, which will allow the scenario to be played normally.

 

Assuming you don't have mixed consists etc...

 

I think I've finally worked out what DTG are up to. They've created 'Doom Simulator World', where a bunch of people invest hours and hours of their time in a thread on a forum ranting about everything that's wrong with a game, yes a game, where people drive imaginary trains around a bit in a semi-realistic environment, sometimes comparing it to other games where people drive imaginary trains around a bit in a semi-realistic environment, which forces them to spend even more time and money on it just so that they can prove to each other that they are right to say that it's a worthless piece of junk. It's a genius idea, perfectly executed. Well done, DTG.

 

Did not know this, very helpful indeed.

 

It's an accurate portrayal of real life where a workforce has all its goodwill squeezed out by a management that knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing, where arguments break out over the minutae of obscure standards and operating procedures and where everyone has a view on how best to fix the system.
I think you've nailed it, as have they.

 

Honestly, Quest-developed stuff has been something of a boon to me, as anything designed for it seems to work perfectly smoothly on my laptop via my Vive Pro, even though the Displayport output on it only runs off the IGPU, not the discrete one.

 

It's a quirk of the way HUD menus work in TS. Pressing F2 to start the save dialogue makes anything including so-called fatal errors go away. Really there should just be a 'run anyway' option but I doubt we'll ever get that.

Something else that can be useful sometimes is pressing Ctrl+Q and cancelling. This is the quit command, but in both the editor and drive mode I find it can kick the game back into gear if something stops working, such as the undo and redo keybinds. I have no idea why it works, but usually it does.

 

So I guess the workers feeling put upon by the cruel, clueless management should leave and get a better job.

 

From what I've heard much of the staff that develops the game are contractors and not actual employees. This is probably why the game has similar issues to the well-documented case of Forza Motorsport 23, which used contract staff who didn't have enough time to learn the game. I expect that the reason (or part of it) that many long standing issues like the lighting remain is because not that many people in DTG know how to fix it.

 

Still Stutter After All These Years too I'll wager

 

Not sure how accurate that filter is, I'm pretty sure Oxford to Paddington doesn't touch the WCML.

 

ATS' filter is awful. For some reason it's based on real-life route rather than TSC route, so e.g. there's no way to filter for WCMLS scenarios only.

 

I have WCML North, South, Trent Valley, and WCML over Shap on TSC. So you are saying I have more content for this Route than TSW5 will ever have?

 

there’s actually a free version of tsw 5 you can get to buy dlcs in the future without having to buy the game

 

Or unionise

 

Yes, but that's simply because of time. WCML North and Over Shap were in the very early days of TS, Trent Valley was 2014-ish and WCMLS was a few years ago (although the UKTS version has been around for quite a bit longer). TSW will in theory get to the amount of content that TS has (assuming they allow editor routes and scenarios to be exported) but it will take years. And I must say that we're seven years into TSW's life and compared to TS in 2014 there's a lot less on offer.

If the free version was available permanently I would be completely happy with it - other than it being a limited time offer for some reason it's pretty much what I'd wanted from a free version.

 

I have posted many times with the history of Train simming since MSTS, that came with very long routes which had issues but certainly couldn't complain over what was with the initial sim. Then comes Railworks, everything is a bit less in size than MSTS but still some decent routes. Now on TSW routes such as Glasgow to Edinburgh don't even bother putting the line via Falkirk Grahamston in with excuses that it's hard to do.

This new WCML route is causing some negative vibes but ultimately the only thing DTG will worry about is the day one to thirty sales and providing enough folk stump up the cash then all the negative chatter will just echo. Many may remember the TSC version of WCML south. Had a few issues didn't it.....

 

I personally think TSC with the right add-ons looks as good as TSW now, certainly the weathering and shading is better, and the lighting is miles better. I also prefer the level of clutter and detail. Before RW Enhancer arrived on the scene TSC was stuttery and the scenery uninspiring, not the case these days. TSC has every train on every relevant route, even without a sale the routes are much cheaper. It's a no brainer for me to concentrate on that game from here on, and just top up my TSW with routes I want in heavy sales. The only thing missing from TSC was the timetable mode, but now TSW are cutting back a lot on timetable runs, (like devastating the WCML one) that point has become moot. TSC has the workshop which means you can literally never run out of content. If DTG ever revert to charging for core updates again, then I shall gladly wait a year, whilst driving locos/units that aren't in TSW and probably never will be.

 

I have found in TSC that well put together quick drives are a decent substitute for timetable mode. QD falls down on its insistence that the player train always has priority and that some QD consists have massively inaccurate dates put in. Have been working on large QD for the West Highland merge route which is a joy to drive, Orange EMUs popping up at junctions and even the West Highland stations getting random meets. Far more fun than a scenario that is scripted and I can jump in for an evening drive or daytime by adjusting the clock in the UI.

 

While I do most gaming on console these days, I simply don't bother with mods for the most part on PC games. ETS is what broke me here, and specifically ProMods. Its fantastic, and the effort that goes into it is phenomenal, but their utterly anal mandatory download system and refusal to use Steam Workshop has meant me abandoning it entirely for both ETS and ATS. For TSC I run it entirely vanilla since its sometimes a ballache getting it running on Steam Deck in this state, never mind with mods. Don't own TSW on PC since my spend goes on the PS5 version

 

TBH the only mods I've ever added to TSC are RW Enhancer 2 and the Wherry Lines mod for Norfolk from Alan Thompson which transforms that route. The payware RW Enhancer was the big one as it launched TS into current graphics and banished the stutters for good. I know steam workshop can be a bit frustrating, only yesterday a scenario I'd downloaded days ago finally decided to pop up in the menu!

 

Oh I have no issues with Workshop at a general level, but I'm so over trying to fix issues when mods from any source break due to an update (which I believe plagues TSW somewhat), as I spend more time on said fix attempts than playing the game. On top of that, Steam deck doesn't exactly lend itself well to trying to fix things that run on Proton/Wine as often it turns out these are either causing or contributing to issues. Proton is getting better and runs unmodded stuff largely with no issues, but my days of fighting with it re mods are pretty much over (The ETS stuff I mentioned was back in my Windows days, not even going to attempt Promods on the deck)

 

Agree about ProMods. I loved some of the areas particularly the north and getting over to Iceland and the Faroes. But it became too much of a chore, every time SCS made a small update, ProMods broke so you had to wait around for it to be fixed then redownload and swap out the old version. Then finding two weeks later having to do the same again.

 

WCML Over Shap was early 2014; that's four and a half years into TSC's life. Personally I don't consider that the very early days...

 

but TSW has walkable cab, making it easier to jump back (you dont have to remember keys or key combinations, most of the time, you just find stuff around the cab) and TIMETABLE... TS has quick drive and scenarios, and adios ... so I still prefer TSW... it is opening up gradually, before long we will have Wales and Netherlands in the game

 

I don't want to walk around the cab particularly (drivers don't IRL) or jog up the track if I'm honest, I just drove a couple of hours in a Pendo from Euston to Birmingham making several stops on way in TSC, that's what I want to do. Drop the gimmicks and give us a decent length route for fast trains please.

 

If you want to level a specific criticism at DTG for me it has to be everything they do is rushed. I don't know who is responsible for this but I guess higher management, but Matt is an executive producer so I don't know who is above him? Everything is done too fast to a release date which appears to be set in cement. This results in corners cut, vanishing timetables, shrunken routes and everything else you can see in that stream. If they are going to concentrate on fast zoomy trains for the fans of that type, then please extend the route to make it worth playing. If not don't build a Pendo just to make a cash grab without thinking where it can run properly to the customers satisfaction. Euston to MK is great for the 710 (Watford Jct.) and 350, but NOT a high speed train.