How is this problem going to be solved when TSW gets past 500gb on PS5. We aren’t far off it now and that’s not even including all the DLC being worked on for TSW5. If you want to keep all your routes and DLC without deleting them it will mean having to buy a bigger Hard Drive ???. The only other alternative would be to delete routes you don’t want and keep the ones you do want but for people like myself I like to have them all downloaded at once.
Not just on consoles but even PC it actually takes more space than having MSFS installed. Currently 275Gb here. Already thinking about which routes I'm going to leave off when TSW5 installs. They certainly need to start looking into some sort of common library for assets that are used across more than one route, whether trains or scenery so that the route pak file (or equivalent on console) contains only the unique content. We also need a tool in game that allows us to physically delete routes not currently being played with (maybe) a warning if that interferes with layering on other routes. At the moment on PC, you need to manually untick the DLC in Steam then go into File Explorer, find the relevant pak file and delete it yourself. Hardly an ideal process.
I don’t have this problem anymore, since I picked up a WD 4TB SSD this year for TSW and my digital games. I think I’m sitting around the 250GB mark myself. We could be looking at over 1TB by 2030.
The concept of common libraries has its caveats - changing one thing there might need all affected DLC to run through QA again - remember what happened on RRO with the misplaced catenary poles due to a change in the core european assets? (TS2Prototype-WindowsNoEditor-EuropeanContentPack-coredata.pak) I think in times of cheap storage, having redundant files is better as you are not unwantedly affecting other DLC when patching one. DTG used this method ever since in TSC, with only 3rd parties using libraries (RSSLO, UnionWorkshop and JustTrains, and others using the ELAP and USLAP which DTG got rid of soon, packing all assets into one .ap per route mostly.) Speaking for PC here - don't know if you can add storage to a PS5 though - if not, the amount of content is really a problem there. Doesn't it have at least a SATA port to add an external SSD?
I’ve just added a 2tb drive to my PC. Mainly because I don’t want to uninstall my heavily modded and smooth running TSW4 installation. It was cheap enough to do. The same drive works well on the PS5 (I tried it before sticking it in the PC) so when I do hit the limit I shall add one to the PS5 as well. It’ll be a while yet as I’m very selective about which routes I buy on PS5 and they have to be in a sale. I have to say this is one of the best things about PS5. It’s so easy to do the upgrade and SSDs are much cheaper that the special Xbox expansions which my XBox regularly forgets it is installed.
Real issue is PS5/Series X having too little built-in storage. It was a problem at launch, and has just gotten worse. TSW is the worst offender, but both BG3 and COD clock in over 100GB iirc. At least it's easy to add an expansion card (on xbox at least, i have no experience with PS5).
I know what you mean. Games today are growing in size storage wise. Nowadays you are lucky if you have 5 games installed at once with the built in storage you get with either console. I miss the good old 360 / PS3 Era LOL. This was never a problem. There was no need to buy a bigger hard drive….
The answer to these two sentences is simple: just buy more / bigger storage. TSW 4 currently requires 306GB with all released DLC installed. MSFS can also become very large, I am approaching the 3TB mark.
I expanded my PS5 internal storage not long after I got it and the 2TB expansion SSD is currently where all games download to. I’m going to have to thin out the DLC in TSW2 and TSW3 at some point (or even remove them completely) but for the next year I will keep a full TSW4 in place after getting TSW5. My wife plays other games and only has one or two big ones downloaded at any given time but soon enough things may get to the point where they need juggling around. If one TSW game and all my DLC got bigger than could fit on the 2TB drive I would have to ditch some routes but I think I’m safe for a while yet. For an eye on the future, will the PS6 come with enough storage and will I be able to afford one? Who knows.
I'm on XBOX Series S and only have 360GB internal storage. Saying that, my TSW4 install with 16 DLC routes and a few loco DLCs is only taking up 172 GB right now. You just need to be a little economical with your installation. Are you really going to play 20+ DLC routes at the same time?
I have a 500GB external SSD, but it's a really bad idea to have a game and it's DLC on separate drives... It's a stuttering mess. You can buy official proprietary 512GB, 1TB and 2TB memory packs, but nobody is spending £130 - £250 on that overpriced trash. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-Storage-Expansion-Solid-State/dp/B08K48F6QZ
Space is what it is. The more DLC you install the more it will take up. I am sure that the way DTG copies the same assets and locos into multiple DLC probably doesn't help but you can always uninstall certain DLC or get a SSD upgrade which is super easy to do on a PS5.
On PC I have a 2tb SSD Just for steam. On PS5, I upgraded the storage with a decent 1tb SSD for about £80. The standard PS5 storage soon gets used up. Even without TSW. The upgrade is a piece of cake.
Same on Xbox, i had to buy the Seagate 1TB since TSW alone with all DLC except the 158 and expert 101 takes up 67%. So now I have the rest of my games on the SSD and only TSW and some apps on the main storage.
Still only have the stock main SSD in my PS5. Admittedly, it is becoming more and more challenging to fit on it what I need at a given time. I might have to look at getting a secondary SSD soon. When I checked shortly after launch, the M2s seemed prohibitively expensive but maybe that has improved in the meantime?
Most definitely. Timing is everything, but you can pick up a 2tb for £100-£120. 1tb can be as little as £60
PS5 storage is very cheap now compared to Series X at least. PS can take any M2 ssd as long as it has a heat sink and it takes about 5 minutes to put in. Some are marketed as “official PS accessories” but you don’t need one. My Series X has propriety storage cards made by only 2 companies, I got a 2tb one and I think it cost more than an entire Series S console.
Very expensive the 1TB was $200 for the Xbox. Mind you 1 year earlier it wss $450 so prices have been dropping.
2TB is £240 on Amazon right now, regular price is £430. So you could technically buy 2 Series S consoles, or a PlayStation 5. That's what happens when you make one company (Seagate) the sole producer of a proprietary product.
I've already had to pick and choose routes I play the most for TSW on series X because it takes up too much space. It's crazy.
TSW5 Blackpool Branches WCML Preston - Carlisle Northern Trans-Pennine Tees Valley Line I can uninstall all the other stuff in a couple of months and go "full 1980s" ... That should get me around 100GB back.
It's not just tsw. A lot of games with dlc are getting out of hand. Even those without out dlc double in size after a few updates. Nearly at 8tb on the pc now!
On XBox I have 1TB of internal storage, a 2TB SSD expansion, and an external 8TB SSD for backwards compatible games (the load times on 360 games are a delight off an SSD) I need WAY more space on it for my whole collection.
I think I must have about 100GB just in Dostos. They take up twice as much room because they are double deckers.
At 191GB and ps5 users cannot play from external drives they need to change that. I’ll be installing the ps4 version of routes with no ps5 exclusive content
Depending on what routes you play it doesn't take much to get to that number, Hamburg-Lubeck on it's own utilises layers from 22 additional pieces of DLC! Bored of Hamburg and fancy a quick bit of nostalgia on West Somerset Railway?, that's another 15 DLCs to get the full experience. When struggling for space previously I used to focus on one country at a time to keep the size down, since throwing a 4TB SSD in my PS5 I've been able to keep everything installed, which handily gives me time to make a cup of tea while waiting for the game to load.
Yes, that's a fair point. Layers are a good way to make people buy routes that they normally wouldn't. Which is good for DTG, but bad for our SSD.
Yup. They should find a way to pack the things so it does not require to install the route if you only need the trains.
The op here has a point not going to lie. I own a series s, 512GB model. I bought it back during the time Microsoft didn’t sell the 1TB version of the Series S, the issue with this specific model is that 200 or so GB of it is used on the system software. So in total, I had less than 350ish GB to spare. And TSW takes up about 80 - 90% of that. I have 2 games on my console only, TSW4 with about 80 addons installed, and Minecraft.
Absolutely, it would be so much better if they split out all the rolling stock from routes so we could just install the data required for layers without needing the whole route. I would even be happy if the rolling stock was moved to the core install, even with all the locos we have now it wouldn't be more than 20GB.
You don't want a 1TB Series S, they cost £300. At that point, you would be better off spending an extra £150 and buying a Series X or PlayStation 5.
Not on a console....but as a PC player I also feel the pain just due to the layer dependencies. I currently have close to 300GB of DLCs installed for TSW4, which will (mostly) all need to be re-downloaded again for TSW5 Honestly something needs to be done as this issue is only being compounded upon with each release. TSW6 will at that point add another 70-80GB to the annual pak redownload
I’m hoping my PS5 has sufficient storage until the PS5 Pro comes out. Will likely upgrade to that when it’s available and maybe upgrade the SSD if needed at that point.
If the ‘leaked’ specs for the PS5 Pro are anything to go by, I think it’ll be later than 2026 before the PS6 is announced/released. The PS5 Pro are substantially improved over the standard PS5.
The leaked PS5 PRO specs also say it is using the same CPU as a regular PS5. So you're technically rebuying the same console for £600 - £700 for a 20-25% performance increase?
That’s not what I’ve just been reading. Announcement could come as early as 9 September. If so, DTG might even have a DevKit. If it turns out to be lacklustre, I may not bother. I did upgrade my PS4 to a PS4 Pro and it definitely made a difference to TSW.
At the moment the PS5 version of TSW sees frame rates typically in the low-50s, the price we pay for being able to see the distance scenery culled from the Xbox version. If the Pro 'just' improves performance by 20% then we'll be looking at a locked 60. As TSW isn't likely to jump on the ray-tracing band wagon anytime soon, the only potential benefit beyond improving the framerate would be if Sony's PlayStation Spectral Resolution is very easy to implement, it's Sony's version of machine learning DLSS. I don't ever want FSR in the game, it causes shimmer artifacts on fine detail, the OHLE would look terrible using FSR, but if PSSR comes anywhere close to DLSS then sign me up. The problem there being DTG have made no attempt to implement DLSS for PC users, so it's unlikely they will put in the effort for what will be a very small subset of console players. Having said that, I'm fully onboard with getting a PS5 Pro, but that's more because I love Sony's first party offerings and they'll all look better on the Pro.
This is why a lot of people use Steam for library management. Also a huge reason the routes aren't longer. Longer routes means even bigger files.
Storage is an issue with this game sure, but a bigger problem for PS5 players is the DLC limit. This has not gone away from what I remember. It has been worked around. With the game only mounting 64gb of dlc at a time, what is going to happen when the amount of routes/locos required for layers on a new route exceed this limit. I feel we will find out in the next year or two with routes now often exceeding 8gb. Germany in particular often has dlc dependent on many other dlc for layers. I thought the plan was to uncouple locos and routes, but you can't, for example, install the 710 for WCML, without the Suffragette line.
I feel like this might be one of the reasons you are seeing new routes contain a lot of locos on their own. Like WCML has a 72 LU train so you can see them without needing to pull it from the LU route.
Just trains are about to release a 90 mile route, and they are not complaining about restrictions on consoles. DTG are just making excuses to release short routes, and "console limitations" seems to be the easiest excuse right now. A bad workman always blames his tools.
