watched this video from Megasim, and it really got me thinking...is it really time for gen8 to kick the bucket for the next tsw release? gen8 at this point feels like a big old fat liability, its getting old now, gen8 has been here since the start of tsw, and now, we are on the 5th iteration of the game, we cant keep clinging onto these consoles forever, and eventually, it will have to kick the bucket and stop being supported, to allow gen9 to move forward. and yes, i know about the series s, and its a shame tbh, because, yes, it is definitely a capable machine in running TSW, on the performance side of things, but when it comes to anything Ram or memory intensive, it really isnt great... but the question lies, and people are free to discuss here, as i dont think theres a thread about gen8 on the forums yet, unless im mistaken.. also...the thread title definitely isnt a reference to Dragon Ball Z....
I think I saw someone say that Sony revealed half their customers are still purchasing PS4 games. Half…OP if you sold a product, would you cut off half your income stream?
I held onto my PS4 Pro for a long time, until the ECML came along and i was missing out on all the layers.. the ECML was my number one wanted route so it was time, definitely worth the upgrade for anyone thinking about it. I remember first playing London-Brighton on PS5 and couldn't believe such a busy route was even busier once i made the switch! also by upgrading to PS5 i'm hoping i've future-proved myself for a good number of years to come regarding TSW going forward
Do PS4 games work on the PS5? It might be that people are doing that, rather than still own PS4’s I find the cost thing an odd argument to be honest. You can get 2nd hand PS5’s at very reasonable prices, and if you can afford to buy games at anywhere between £30-£60 a go surely that’s not an insurmountable cost? It’s a moot argument anyway. DTG will stop supporting it when they choose to. Nothing and no-one will change that.
when the time comes, yes, because in the next year or so, maybe two, most, if not everyone would have moved onto gen9.. gen8 cant be bottlefed constantly, its eventually going to have to be cutoff, and that might happen with the next tsw release to allow more features to happen on the gen9 side of things
RE the PS4 on PS5, it is possible & you get the PS4 version for free when you buy a cross gen title, but I presume Sony are smarter than including those figures? As for the cost that is what it is, I think a bigger argument I see is that this gen of console had little in the way of games for them. My bigger point though is that there are people who seem to think the bogeyman behind TSW’s issues are gen8. I’d love to see any sort of data that says everyone will have moved to a PS5 in a year or two…LOL. There will be some point where gen8 has to be dropped, but I get the impression that DTG won’t make that decision themselves.
Its a shame FOMO doesnt translate to console upgrades to avoid missing out on layers, timetables, graphics enhancements etc, as well as preordering substandard routes. Maybe a bit more of a squeeze in terms of limited functionality for gen8 and people will start going in the direction of the nudges.. then the plug can be pulled with a justification ready to go.
GTA 6 will change everything, suddenly everyone will want a PS5 or Series S/X and Gen 8 will go in the bin where it belongs.
it’s not data though, it’s the truth… The PS5 is approaching, what? 4 or 5 years old now? It’s already getting surprisingly old, believe it or not, people are going to be upgrading more, in one or two years, most people would be having a ps5, because they would be upgrading from their over a decade old PS4s It’s a hard pill to swallow for some, but gen8 is going to have to kick the bucket soon, in order for gen9 to have its own features.. Also in one or two years, PS4 games would become a lot rarer, and ps5 games will be appearing more commonly, thus making people upgrade.
People need to remember and take into context that Gen 8 was as old as Gen 9 is now when TSW1 released. Does anyone have any laptops, phones built in 2013 that still work well or are still supported software wise.
Think of this as IOS updates, Apple can only support iPhones for a certain number of years before not updating them anymore. That’s exactly what’s going to happen with the PS4 or Xbox One, Or Xbox One S
I have a laptop that I still use and its a few years old. It predates my Xbox One (which I finally replaced in March this year after four years), and still works well.
Yes that is true also Sony is officially ending support for PS4 in 2025 so if you want a PS5 it's best to get one now rather than later since demand will increase
If iPhone 5 owners were queueing up to give Apple 30 UK pounds every month or two (the price of a new route), believe you me, Apple would be bending over backwards to support them.
I disagree. It probably still worths it to sell on them if they keep doing it. Especially if the only real difference is the number timetable layers. Why drop old consoles if you can keep selling on them just by turning off a few timetable layers?
Rockstar stopped gen 8 support last year for GTA 5 a few other companies have to DTG should follow suit
I'm fine with Gen 8 still being around, my wife still uses my old Xbox One X to play Dreamlight Valley and Hogwarts while I use the Series X in the living room. My main issue with the two Xbox generations is the fact that aside from more/less intensive timetables and some minor visual tweaks, TSW is essentially the same for both generations and holds Series X back from showing the game to its full potential. I'd be okay with TSW going away on Gen 8, if it meant TSW on Gen 9 was a better experience.
The choice of platforms is down to Focus Entertainment. DTG can't tell their parent company what to do.
I'm still on PS4, not a big gamer and if TSW6 isn't on PS4 then so be it. PS4 does everything I need it to still and then some. Re TSW the game still looks good and I can live with the limitations, i'm certainly not in a rush to buy a PS5 just so I can have a handful more services. I will say amongst the WCML fallout the Gen 8 timetable seems to be a lot more reduced than they usual. I think 3 trains including the Pendolino? Maybe a sign of the beginning of the end?
i still don’t get why dtg haven’t made separate teams for 8th and 9th gen machines, allowing players with the newest tech to get the best experience, but also still including the players on last gen consoles
A pointless thread, as are all similar ones that appear with monotonous regularity. No amount of forum bleating will persuade DTG to stop supporting an income stream like gen8 consoles. DTG have repeatedly said that supporting older consoles does not hold back the game for folks on gen9. They make a route for gen9/PC and then cut it back for gen8. It's past time for the OP and the rest of you to accept this and move on. Quit trying to sell this nonsense.
Well guess what? I raise a valid question here believe it or not, how long are DTG going to keep supporting Gen8, when it is holding back said features? It’s like dragging a dead cat with a lead. it seems to be a hard pill for some people to swallow down their throats here, gen8 is gonna have to go eventually, and people will have to accept it
It has been repeated ad nauseum that the game is built for Gen 9/PC then scaled back. TSW 5 probably wouldn't look any different if it wasn't released on PS4.
It's worth noting that the Steam hardware surveys show that less than one third of Steam users have a PC with a graphics card equal to or better than that in the PS5. Only DTG will know what the split is for TSW, but if it's similar does anyone really expect them to cut off not only a large part of their console players, but also two thirds of PC players too?
Which graphics card(s) are you basing that on? Digital Foundry considers the RTX2070S to be an approximately equivalent Nvidia GPU to PS5, which is still a reasonable low-mid range card, but starting to get a bit long in the tooth.
How is Gen 8 holding the game back? I see these ridiculous comments over and over again. The game is developed for gen9/PC and is scaled back for Gen 8 as is the case for many games. So why do you think Gen 8 is holding this game back.
even Paul from Trainsimulatordriver agrees maybe its time to ditch gen 8 console support or upgrade to a newer console, i upgraded to xbox series s and its so much better then my old gen 8 xbox one s tbf the old consoles cant keep up no more https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5Quv54nMSHU
Not true. The last update for GTA online (GTA: V) for the PS4/XBox1 version will be the December 2024 update. After that it will be gen 9 only but the gen 8 version will remain playable for some time after to allow players time to upgrade (bear in mind that on gen 9 you have to pay again rather than get a free upgrade from gen 8 unless you picked it up for free when it went on PSPlus for 3 months). The gen 8 systems are now showing their limitations with hardware but DTG couldn't afford to lose more than half of their console player base by ditching gen 8. DTG may have to ditch gen 8 next year when Sony officially ends support for the PS4 systems.
Yes, at launch Digital Foundry suggested the RTX2070S, more recently they say real life performance is more in line with the 3060. The one third was based on anything either 2070S and up for the 2xxx generation, or 3060 and up for the 3xxx gen. The single most common card in use is the 3060.
Im pretty sure itll happen as part of a natural process. Larger studios will drive it, with the release of very popular titles that bypass gen8. At that point, people will upgrade whether on potato PCs or older consoles, and then lesser studios like DTG will slipstream.
Yeah they should make a version that works on Xbox 360 and PS3 too. Gen 7 was still around when TSW released on Gen 8. Lines need to be drawn. All Windows 10 based machines have to be retired in my employment by October of this year. Technology moves on. Embrace change or be forever stuck in the past.
I think when the cutbacks for Gen8 are getting to the stage where with for example with Frankfurt-Fulda a Gen8 player can only play timetable services on 3 out of the 6 trains that come with Deluxe edition (that's not counting others that come with extra German DLC) we are getting towards a fork in the road. Especially if the demand is clearly for more and more busy/complex routes. As someone on a PS4 Pro I am having to weigh up my options in the coming months. There have always been some cuts for Gen8 but in the past you either had the option of reduced or full timetable (ECML, SEHS, NYT) or the cuts were just to layers from other DLC that you would only notice if you owned those DLC so you still got what you essentially paid for (BML as a good example). Now it is a little galling particularly that you are expected to pay the same price as a PS5 player who will get almost double the content in the DLC. I am glad they are at least upfront about it for the TSW5 routes as I remember with LIRR Commuter it wasn't made very clear that Gen8 users would get half the timetable that others get. So when you notice a couple of different DTG ambassador videos raising the issue and the pricing approach you wonder if there is a bit of a subtle nudge campaign beginning by DTG to persuade players to upgrade. Perhaps because long term they would hope to drop Gen8 for TSW6? On the other hand if they plan to support Gen8 indefinitely it seems to me the fork in the road should lead to a formal split in the game where a Gen8 players can only get TSW Lite and Gen9 players get TSW Full. The distinction between Lite and Full might also apply to future core features or graphics enhancements if Gen8 hardware is not compatible. If future DLC needs significant cuts for Gen8 the TSW Lite version would be sold at a slightly cheaper price. In addition there might be DLC that is exclusive to TSW Full. This could still create the nudge effect to encourage upgrades to Gen9 without abandoning the Gen8 market completely which might hurt DTG's bottom line too much. I like the above idea if the intention is to keep Gen8 longer term, but I am guessing what is more likely is that there will be no split, the price of DLC will be the same for all, but if you upgrade then you get the full experience of TSW content for no extra charge. But with this approach I think you probably do have to decide if TSW6 or TSW7 is going to be the cut off for Gen8.
That is literally the status quo now. Gen8 gets a massively pared back featureset with more and more stuff dropped to keep it functioning when scaled that far back. It's a fundamentally different build of the game. But you get ownership of both when you buy it, and the hardware you install it on determines which package installs. They just don't label them differently because it would cause more confusion and the systems for delivery of the correct version are automated on the backend.
We're already about halfway though gen 9's lifetime, another 4 years or so and we'll be coming into the 10th generation of consoles.
That’s because barely any games have really taken advantage of it. Sony is just stuck remastering games & other studios are still having to focus too much on getting games running on PS4. Don’t get me wrong, I love what the PS5 has done for a lot of my games & for £350 it’s been a fairly inexpensive & significant upgrade, but I don’t feel like we’ve had much in the way of defining gen9.
He is not the only one. As long as they have enough Gen 8 customers, why DTG should not make money with them. Volkswagen offers services for 20 years and older models too.
