PC Tsw 5 Enhancement | Lighting & Graphic Ep V2.2

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  1. Oelix

    Oelix Active Member

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    Hey there JetWash, first of all thank you for your patience and hard work - it's clearly up to us users to read the manual, and not your job to diagnose our setups and look for stuff we got wrong. If there is no fix for what I experience in-game, that's my problem.

    In that spirit, I've done more tests, all in Frankfurt. These are my findings, maybe they are of use:
    The "swimming" textures with frame generation are clearly a DX11-thing. Using DX12 gets rid of them almost completely to the point where you can play without distractions.

    I've deleted Godmode and the Enhancement mod and tried again with DX12. The frame generation result is perfectly smooth even in Frankfurt Central. The only difference to your recommendations is that I have HDR on in Lossless Scaling. My screen percentage is 100% at 4k.

    Installing Godmode (0.5.9) gives a similar experience, but adds little bit of choppiness.
    Adding the Enhancement mod however now essentially halves my frames instead of doubling them - things get very stuttery.

    Under DX11, with Godmode and Enhancement, I get good performance with frame generation, but also the swimming effect on patterned textures on the lower part of the screen and the game freezes when trying to load another route after going to the menu.

    I'll try some of the other in-game settings now.
     
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    Okay I’ll dig out the files and have another go. Think I do recall that from trying the mod in TSW4 but slipped my mind this time.
     
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  3. JetWash

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    The mod is designed to work with DX12. Your processor would certainly benefit from its use, in other words your GPU is stronger than your CPU.

    Please watch the video as described above. It is imperative that whatever you have the game set to your PC is able to maintain your capped fps figure without issue. If it can’t you will need to alter your settings.

    Finally, it will be stuttering as your shader cache is recompiling new shaders. Your card is ostensively as strong as mine, you should be able to get the same results I can. The mod is not the issue, the blame lies elsewhere.

    Again, please check you have HAGS enabled.
     
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    just a general question, does this mod for on Epic. Since I have never used Epic before I'm not sure
     
  5. vegas#3072

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    Absolutely no problem, you're doing the lords work with this mod so it's understandable to request some effort from the people benefitting from it (including me!).

    My issues are fixed and everything is running smoothly at 30 fps cap with the settings you mentioned :) Once again many thanks and have a great day!
     
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  6. Oelix

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    Thanks, I'll watch the video. HAGS was not enabled - I just tried that, but got a terminal freeze when I moved the mouse to turn around. I've disabled it again.

    EDIT: I then re-installed my graphics drivers and tried again. Without the Enhancement mod, things work well, no problems with HAGS or without. With the mod and HAGS, I get a freeze shortly after moving the mouse - but it's only the screen: The image stays frozen, but the game still runs. I can get into the menu (without seeing it) and hear the beeps when moving the mouse over the buttons. That's all before using Lossless Scaling.
     
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    JetWash don´t feel pressured by the responses, we are just sharing experiences and not demanding anything.

    I tried the ultra setting and it´s causing stutters and fans flaring up (as expected). Afterwards I tried medium. No stutters, but fans still going crazy. Will give "low" a try later.

    My Laptop specs: 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-13700HX 2.10 GHz, 32 GB ram, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU.
     
  8. knuckleshed

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    That's exactly the freezes I was getting and mentioned previously using the Ultra file, to cure that (and I've had no issues since) I downsized to the High file and all was good.

    On a side note I still think I've set my FPS incorrectly I need to redress that, but that's down to me misunderstanding the LS instructions slightly and nothing to do with the poor haggard (and probably balding at this point) JetWash or his work.

    The other thing I need to check later (on my phone right now) is the HAGS thing, easy to forget that we're now on a new game and it's one of the first settings you should check.

    I expect once I've done everything correctly my FPS will be higher and more stable than it currently is which is still flipping good now at ~42 to 48 and mostly stutter free (after shader loading)

    Yeah I should add that my card is the ASUS RoG STRIX GTX1080Ti with 11Gb memory, it rates on par with a 2070 or a 3060 I believe (just without the RTX ability) one of the highest rated cards at the time and still holds its own even now imo.

    Edit:
    Corrected typo, I meant 2070 not 2080.
     
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  9. Sharon E

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    Well, turns out I am right there with you Speedster, forgot to put dx12 into Steam for it to be implemented. With it in, runs fine in both TSW4 and TSW5. Shows how something so simple to forget can totally mess up the sim. Now if we can just get Rail Driver working.
     
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  10. JetWash

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    Thank goodness! Brilliant news.
     
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  11. uvm0902

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    JetWash thank you very much for this mod. The picture in 4K with Ultra settings is simply stunning!

    I have a big request for you, please help me!

    Sometimes I connect Oculus Quest 3 and after installing your mod (the camera in the cabin in the driver's seat) some shadows appear in the right lens that interfere with the game.

    What setting can I use to get rid of this artifact? I would be very grateful for your help!
     
  12. JetWash

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    This should help you;

    https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...sless-scaling-guide.74685/page-24#post-897338
     
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    Quick bit of advice at a tangent... Don't try and clear the Direct X cache while Steam is trying to download content. Running the Disk Cleanup utility brings everything to a standstill!
     
  14. LunaVisits

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    What are the system recommendations for each of the presets? I've read through the manual, but it's not documented in there.

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  15. vitmax

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    I wouldn't go so far as calling me a star :)
    After all, it's you, who's been consistently making TSW better for the last year.
    Thanks for your work, and glad I could be of help!
     
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  16. JetWash

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    It varies dependent on resolution, but I would suggest you wouldn’t want less than a 3080 for Ultra, maybe a 3070/2080ti or equivalent for high, 3050 ish for medium and low (which is just lighting changes only) for anything less.

    I’ve just been sent these by danielwyatt60163, which is WCMLS using the medium preset on a 3050 with 125% screen percentage at 1080p. The fps is capped at 30 by the game and lossless scaling is doubling that to 60fps.

    IMG_2024.09.15-19.19.28.jpeg TSW3_Belle_1726428343_00.png IMG_2024.09.15-19.40.18.jpeg

    Pretty cool I’d say!
     
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  17. danielwyatt60163

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    Another one :) - you’ve done really well with this
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  18. LunaVisits

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    I have a 2070 super, currently running at 1080p, but thinking about upgrading my monitor to 1440p. I guess I'll try high or medium.

    (A 3070 is about 15% better then my card, 3050 about 50% worse.)
     
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  19. Glazier

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    I am running on 3080/1440p and on Ultra I am getting a huge drops on Frankfurt, to the point the Scaler breaks up and I get a better FPS turning it off temporarily :). Luckily it is easy to reset it with the shortcut when it misbehaves, fixing 90% of the issues.
     
  20. JetWash

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    Is DX12 enabled? Frankfurt is CPU heavy which is exactly what DX12 alleviates
     
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  21. Sharon E

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    I would say after my experience, better have dx12 enabled.
     
  22. JetWash

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    Just FYI DX12 has to be enabled as the mod is specifically designed to work with it. It doesn’t work properly with DX11 unless you use the low preset.
     
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  23. Glazier

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    Yeah, the CPU itself is a bit old by this days unfortunately, 9700K :(.
     
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  24. LeadCatcher

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    Just loaded your great enhancement and the using the loss-less program. It looks great and I have capped my framerates at 60 using the 2x setting. I do have a 240 hertz monitor and on ultra settings in the plain Jane simulation I am maintaining@ 120 fps - would you recommend cap my frames at 80 and going to the 3X setting . I am away from my computer at the moment but will try that the next time I am able - was just wanting to hear your thoughts.
     
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  25. prada#1854

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    Thank you for the good hints. As I mentioned, I already selected the "Low"-Download which makes things much better... maybe later I'll try Medium. Also I checked my Windows 11- and BIOS-settings and deactivated the Intel graphic card (BIOS) and the VM platform (Windows). I also set the Shade Cache Size 10 GB in the NVIDIA control panel. Seems to run much better now after a few runs.

    I see aganin, Gaming Laptops are always a compromise.

    Thanks again for the great (lightning looks great) and fast (already supporting the TSW5-routes!) work!
     
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    I’ve never dealt with a monitor with that kind of refresh rate before, but believe you can actually alter the monitor refresh rate so that might be the best option when playing TSW. I don’t know what happens on a 240hz monitor if you simply cap the fps at 60. Do you get tearing and odd effects of you do that?

    Probably the place to start would be to get the game how you want it to look and see what fps your PC is able to maintain. We can go from there.
     
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  28. JetWash

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    Anything in the individual route ini that mentions Ambient Occlusion or GTAO. You’ll have to do it on a route-by-route basis I’m afraid.
     
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    Late to the party but I wanted to say a thank you to Jetwash for making us aware of the Lossless Scaling app. I am fortunate to have a decent graphics card so for me the frame generation is the most useful component as far as TSW goes. Set at 60/120 Hz the gameplay is ultra smooth but the card is hardly stretching its legs. A no brainer at the price! :love:
     
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  30. cars0199

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    First of all thanks to JetWash for your great effort with this mod! I cannot tell how much I appreciate it! :love: Next, cudos to LCYCowboy for figuring out the above solution for VR! :cool: I've tried to find a solution ever since things became messed up in UEVR and I couldn't use JetWash latest updates anymore... but simply couldn't find the culprit within the code. :(

    Well, now I just ran through the all route-inis that come with the GodMode.sav (Ultra V1.0) and deleted every single line containing either AmbianceOcclusion or GTAO (in-game that is). I've attached my updated GodMode.sav to this message to make it available to anyone who might be interested to use it - but the file format is obviously not allowed. I changed it to .txt - so you just have to rename it to GodMode.sav to work. JetWash I you find it appropriate you're more than welcome to also upload it to tsc ;)
     

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  31. yansel#5383

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    Without Lossless Scaling I have about 40 fps in Frankfurt with both my GPU and RAM maxed out.
    When I turned it on and put it in the x3 mode with a 20 FPS cap, my RAM is still maxed out but my GPU is only at about 30%.
    Can I get more frames out of it with more RAM? (I only have a single 16GB stick as all the other three slots broke down)
     
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    it looks fine capped at 60 fps. On the pure vanilla TSW5 was maintaining 90 fps so capping at 80 shouldn’t be a problem. I am sitting in court awaiting to see if I get selected for jury duty today so after doing my civic duty will try once I get home….
     
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    I don't know why the game is using 100% ram. I only have 16gb also but cp2077 ultra settings and Raytracing turned on doesn't use as much memory.

    I think this may be the cause of a lot of crashes, once the memory runs out its game over.
     
  34. vegas#3072

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    The Frankfurt Fulda route is pretty crazy in terms of GPU/CPU/RAM usage. I've done some testing on other routes with Lossless Scaling on x2 mode with a 30 fps cap and most ingame settings on Ultra & Ultra enhancement profile. On all routes except for Frankfurt Fulda I can maintain 30 (ingame) fps pretty steadily, but around Frankfurt the frames just tank hard and I have to disable Lossless Scaling to be able to continue playing. System is 12700k, RTX3080, 32gb RAM btw as previously mentioned.
     
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    Just to confirm, you’ve enabled DX12? If it isn’t already set your screen percentage to 100%
     
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    I've put in the -DX12 launch parameter for TSW5, but not really sure if I can confirm ingame if DX12 is enabled properly apart from that.

    Just done a run on the Luzern-Sursee route with the mentioned settings in my previous post without any frame drops or problems whatsoever :) It's just Frankfurt that seems to be the problem, but it's easily fixed by enabling Lossless Scaling after having departed from Frankfurt.
     
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    Thank you very much! I did it! I edited the engine and godmod files, the acclusion went away. Once again, many thanks to everyone who responded and helped me solve this problem.
     
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  38. LunaVisits

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    You may want to look into enabling the shader cache:
    https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/definitive-stutter-fix-via-engine-ini-settings.70559/
     
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    I actually have the same GPU, CPU is the ryzen 7 7800x3d. I am on full hd but 200% screen percentage.
     
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    Just a quick FYI for those who dabble in ETS2 and ATS, the Lossless Scaling tool also seems to work well in those games.
     
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    Hi, RTX 3060 Ti here! Is it possible to run your high/ultra setting with this card? No matter how I tweak or lower in-game settings and screen percentage, the game ultimately ends up dropping to 10 fps or lower, if not outright freezing (as others mentioned, with the game still running in the background). I should however note, that before this happens, the game runs pretty steadily at 30 fps (using LS, doubling it) and that these drops happen at the same places, e. g. coming to Hanau station in the Hanau Heart Rate Raiser. DX12 on, HAGS on, FullHD.

    Tried setting screen percentage at 100 % and lower, in-game settings medium - increase in fps was hardly noticeable, still low to the point of the game being unplayable. When I change to your medium setting, I can happily play the game with everything on ultra, screen percentage on 200 % with hardly any hiccups.

    Maybe my machine is not strong enough, I'm not disputing that :D. Maybe I'll have to stick to medium, which is still leagues above the basic lighting. Just wanted to share my experience and maybe get some help, if I can be helped. However it may be, thank you JetWash for your amazing work and going out of your way to help others to make the simulator more enjoyable. Have a great day! :)
     
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    With that card I would suggest Ultra or High in-game settings and High or Medium for the mod. Ultra is certainly too much.
     
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    Also,

    Rather than put out another version for 1 change I highly recommend you make the following alteration in all your ini's.

    Change

    TimeOfDaySystem.VolumetricCloud.LightPollutionMult=0.00001

    to

    TimeOfDaySystem.VolumetricCloud.LightPollutionMult=0.3

    I made the change the day after releasing this version but haven't had time to update. Been working on other things :cool:
     
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    Is this for all versions ultra, high, etc.? And I'm interested in what this setting does, is it for visuals or perfromance?
     
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    Yes, all of them and it’s a visual thing. It just adds a bit more to the night sky without going overboard. It won’t affect performance but definitely looks better. I’ve been doing a lot of night stuff the last couple of days hence me seeing the need for it. I’ve really only tested it on WCMLS but as the ini’s are largely uniform as far as the lighting goes it should work across the board.

    It’s literally the only change I feel needs making now. This is about the only time since TSW3 where I’m playing and not tweaking it anymore. I think I’m finally content with it
     
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    Mám rovnaký problém po chvíli 14 fps na ultra alebo hight. 3070 ti
     
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    Please English.... Its an English Forum.
     
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    No change to the UE core so I can use the Engine.ini settings from TSW4, right?
     
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    i also have an RTX 3060. I tried medium and it still froze quite a bit. I tried running the Low version and it runs pretty smooth now, the drawing distance isnt the best but its better than the vanilla distance and it runs smoother. It might just be what we with the 3060s are stuck with for now
     

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