Yeah but I enjoy it still because I havent got content on this game since March so i think thats why. I do love DRIVING the trains its just the AI services which are the issue
I'm curious about this as a barometer for my own concerns- does the lighting in the tunnels not bother you? (The way the cab lights up periodically as you drive through them). Also the poor lighting in Euston with carriages in direct sunlight despite being in the station under cover? What about the washed out look of the lighting? Does the route as a whole not feel lifeless? Is it important to you that it closely replicate the real route in terms of traffic? As a small tangent, it's London. I haven't seen a single speck of an aeroplane in the sky, despite heathrow being just down the road. Again its a little detail but consequential for immersion, and hence replayability and enjoyment. Even elsewhere, contrails would greatly add to the sense of an outer world taking place. I ask purely because those are the issues that ruin it for me personally and I'm curious if you notice these or not.
You make good points here, these issues do disappoint me, yet I still get some enjoyment out of the route. I agree though there are many problems.
Yeah, good point, I am sure that has happened too. So beta testers didn't get long enough to test or didn't test wcml on all platforms, DTG or Rivet didn't listen to the beta testers or the development team, the quality control team wasn't listened to either. Where do you point the finger, if you think wcml is a mess it seems to be a reflection on what went on behind closed doors or what didn't.
We all love driving, that is why we all here. I am disappointed they haven't created train spotter mode thou Fair enough, you have saved your money and choose to spend it when you wanted. I do hope DTG fix wcml soon, but.....if I said it would get fixed this side Christmas it would be pushing it.
as far as im aware it doesnt cost extra to pre-order. It even has a discount so not sure where this "paid beta tester" thing comes from. its just an extra privilige for pre-order
When has a tsw launch ever been problem free? It is what it is, you either buy it or you don't. The choice is yours. I'm not looking for bugs but I have noticed a fair few, not letting that spoil the experience for me though.
I just think the main reason I enjoy this route so much is because I spent most of my childhood travelling on the WCML into London from the Midlands so it has a personal connection to me. Also in school holidays I would spend the afternoon spotting on the WCML at Tamworth which is further up the WCML and 390s were flying through and 350s were there stopping too. This was in the Virgin Trains/London Midland days.
It’s frankly shocking and disgusting that DTG would push something out in this condition (again). I really do get that deadlines have to exist, but bloody hell, when things are so noticeably wrong with a route, why not just hold it back. You’ll do way more damage to your reputation than delaying something a few weeks. It’s just completely unacceptable and DTG has to stop doing it going forward.
It's about trying to nudge it in the right direction rather than the more binary approach you describe, at least for me anyway. If there's genuinely no point in feeding back, then there's no point to this forum, and mediocrity will always be the default rather than a pursuit of 'better'. I'm not really built to sit back with "good enough", and am always trying to improve things. It's an uncomfortable process at times, but I care about the hobby, and the genre.
I have £100 waiting to be spent in my PSN Wallet. NOTE: I only ever spend money on my own PSN account on DTG content. All the other PSN content I play I go half with my brother on his PSN account so we can both play the same game. So, the question is DTG, do you want this £100 or don’t you?
I've found a documented cab ride video from Euston to Crewe on a Class 350. Something I recommend DTG should take a look at.
Is it possible to buy WCML as a single route dlc after the free update is available? It's a good option I think for those few who like me, are really only interested in the UK routes and who don't want to shell out for non desired US and German content, and especially if promised fixes arrive in short order. It's a good looking route, let down by solveable issues, and once those are sorted I'd happily buy it at full price. This short video on how to fast travel does showcase the good.
I wish we could buy TSW5 with the three bundled routes we actually want. I want WCML and Suffragette plus Preston/Carlisle, but am not particularly interested in the new US and German content. Buying it separately ends up being too expensive and you end up with stuff you don't use taking up space on your hard drive. I'm also sure there are US and German fans who have little interest in UK content but want drive their own local routes.
A 325 would be nice, although unless other segments of the WCML are made in the correct era there won't be much use for it.
Sheesh, 5 minutes of this and you can see where the issues begin! Having said that, I am still enjoying the 350 in particular. I think this route has massive potential as long as DTG sort it. Will that happen? Lets hope so!
I think they'd be missing an opportunity to actually strengthen the brand if they didn't. Low hanging fruit for a big reputational gain.
Players been trying to nudge it in that direction for years. Same could be said about my ex wife! Didn't take long for me to realise that no amount of nudging was gonna change her lol. To be fair I have a lot of route building behind me on ts. I can drive a route several times before I notice a floating lamp post or a dodge bit of scenery. Sometime I don't even notice and one of the kids picks it up. Most of the games I've ever played I've found dodge assets someplace or another. Games made by multi billion dollar outfits! I don't think the feedback falls on death ears, otherwise what would be the point of dtgs feedback threads. Having time to put it all right is a different story.
Watching this and looking at some videos of the route in TSW just shows how sparse the lineside vegetation is too.
This is a great idea! But just yesterday I tried to transfer content from TSW 4 to TSW 5, but it turned out to be impossible. Routes and trains for different TSW's are essentially the same (they even have about the same volume in gigabytes), but apparently there are some internal limitations of the "core" that do not allow it to be implemented so simply. It seems to me that abandoning the annual issue of TSW could solve these problems. But Dovetail is so Dovetail...
through footage of other people. It seems there are some bugs with the guard mode and some inaccuracy in the cab of the class 377/2. Will these issues be fixed?
Yeah, I was on the London side of wcml, so I was looking forward to getting this in TSW. My hopes were raised and then quickly dashed. It is nice to have a route that has a meaning to you, not everybody is lucky enough to have it.
If 50 dollar/euro/pounds is going to make you go without eating, then your focus shouldn't be video games, it should be finding another job.
Have you played ANY early access games? Seriously.... THIS seems like a "lot" to you for early access? Are you sure you've ever played an actual early access game before?
Early access in DTG context doesn't mean beta. It means you get to play it early. Is WCML beta? No not really. It looks pretty amazing tbh. Just let down in some areas that shouldn't really be issues at this late stage, as well as some design choices largely driven by economic factors, the latter of which we can't influence.
Pay extra for 'early access' is not the same as true early access, clearly the release date could've been the 12th but FOMO and seeing other people play early is a good way to drive deluxe sales that may have otherwise been base editions. Proper early access is usually cheaper than a finished release because there are bugs and features missing, they don't make you pony up more money to be a beta tester. Edit: Steam even has a little description of the differences of 'Advanced Access' (TSW5) and 'Early Access' (All the in development indie games) "Unlike Early Access, Advanced Access is not a unique model of development for a game, it's simply an opportunity to play a game before it fully releases on Steam."
You can do that now kind of, get the free TSW5 and pick the DLCs you want and if you want a discount wait for the sales.
I seem to be having problems with audio on all locos on this route. Everything works fine apart from any safety systems audio (ie aws, vigilance). I just don't get any actual audio alarms. And this is on all the locos on this route. 350, 390, 377 etc. Everything else audio wise is working fine it's simply the safety system audio. At first I thought I was doing something wrong. But I'm not a newbie to the game, with over 500 hours put into it now over the years. I'd like to add that there has been the rare occasion it sometimes does work, then when I go to start another service afterwards it's back to not working. Is this just me this is happening too? Or am I genuinely doing something wrong? Or, is it another bug on this route? Oh and all audio is fine on San Bernadino and Frankfurt. Thanks for any help.
This is so blindingly obvious, I actually didn't even process it. Genuinely! Worth pointing out for dullards like me
Yes but then you have to wait and don't get everything you want right now at the price you want and a cherry on top =)
“The ability of discerning high quality unavoidably implies the ability of identifying shortcomings.” – Edsger Dijkstra I'm prepared to wait.
I think the bigger issue is whether you've got a family or not. Me and the missus decided against having kids, we still have separate bank accounts and therefore I have all the DLC I've been able to afford. My problem is all that with all the spare time not having children, this is just one of many hobbies that cost me a lot of money.
£100 is at best 4 hours of dev time, so I would imagine they would rather that time was used making content someone else will buy.
Watched that earlier. It showed how much DTG had got right, as well as highlighting the deficiencies.
People can just see things differently, doesn't mean you are dullard. That is why forums are great, you can pick up tips or tricks other people see or found.
Train_Paul 94’s videos are excellent, as good as Video 125 and free. He also does a Euston - Watford DC line Overground video.
Yeah, DTG can offer every excuse under the sun as to why wcml came to the market in such a state, but that is all they are is excuses. Even a bit of honest, to be up front and say to customers that the route isn't ready or has issues, but you are more than welcome to purchase it now and by the end of October all the issues will be solved. But to just come out with a lemon and say nothing, there wasn't enough time spent on the timetable, the bad lighting got highlighted and the guard mode had a breakdown on DTG own livestream? Egg on face mean anything and then DTG are like we have listened to players feedback and we will fix some of these issues? Errr...thanks??? Why should players have to highlight issues that quality control or beta testers should have picked up?
And you're free to not buy it and enjoy it. Hand wringing about "this condition" and pretending to be horrified seems to be a bit of an exaggeration. How do you play ANY routes if you think this is "unplayable?" It's at least on par with most if routes, if not above average. I'm sincerely curious what routes and locos you play that are evidence of having succeeded in achieving a high score in your book. Truly, I want to see what "good" looks like your book to compare it with.
I mean, I told my wife I'd spent £53 pre-ordering the new TSW and she said that was extremely good value for the amount of playing hours I get out it.
