Bodensee Gürtelbahn - Lake Constance Beltrailway

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  1. bodensee#8535

    bodensee#8535 Active Member

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    The Bodensee Gürtelbahn is a single track diesel (half electrified after 2021) Route. it starts in Radolfzell am Bodensee and goes along the Lake to Lindau. there are many lines driving. Regional, Intercity, Interregioexpress and much more.

    Vehicles that could be used between Radolfzell and Friedrichshafen :
    (RB31)
    DB BR 650
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    DB BR 628 VR
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    (IRE3)
    DB BR 612 Bwegt
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    DB BR 245 + Dostos
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    DB BR 218 + Dostos
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    (IRE3 Freizeitexpress Südbahn)
    DB BR 218 + N-Wagen
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    (Cargo)
    DB BR 232 (Ludmilla)
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    DB BR 218 (Ludmilla)
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    Vehicles that could be used between Friedrichshafen and Lindau (if Electrified) :

    IRE3 :
    DB BR 425

    RE5 :
    DB BR 146.2 + Dostos
    DB BR 612 Bwegt

    RB93 :
    DB BR 425
    DB BR 650
    DB BR 426

    IC118/119 :
    ES64U2 + IC coaches

    AI layers for 2022 :

    Radolfzell :
    RABe 523
    146.2 + Dostos

    Friedrichshafen :
    DB BR 426
    DB BR 425
    DB BR 612 Bwegt
    DB BR 245
    ES64U2 + Cargo

    Lindau :
    ÖBB 4024
    612 VR
    DB BR 425

    Friedrichshafen to Lindau if not electrified :

    IRE3 :
    not existing

    RE5 :
    DB BR 245 + Dostos
    DB BR 218 + Dostos

    RB 93 :
    DB BR 628 VR
    DB BR 650

    IC 118:119

    218 + IC coaches

    AI for :

    Friedrichshafen :
    DB BR 628VR
    DB BR 612 Bwegt
    DB BR 245 + Dostos
    DB BR 218 + Dostos/Cargo

    Lindau :
    DB BR 612
    DB BR 650
    DB BR 218 + Dostos/Intercity coaches

    The route is about 72km long .
    it is an really nice route . beeing not even 10 meters away from the lake
     
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  2. Kapit

    Kapit New Member

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    For the people asking how the IRE3 is Diesel and Electrified, its complicated. There are 2 different runs.

    Electrified: Br425/426 or Br146 + Dostos, on Ulm - Friedrichshafen - Lindau.

    Diesel: Br218/245 + Dosto or Br612, on Basel - Singen - Friedrichshafen Stadt / Hafen - Ulm
    but for that, some only drive
    Basel - Singen (i think) and Basel - Singen - Friedrichshafen.
    the ones ending in Friedrichshafen, sometimes end in the Stadt station (City station, which is the main station where also ICE's stop), and sometimes in the Hafen station (Boat Port station).

    In General its a bit weird how the trains drive, and how different trains run on it, But hey doesnt that add a bit of spice?
    Just wanted to give an small explaining, even tho maybe no one needs it :)
     
  3. -_-LivvuAurora-_-

    -_-LivvuAurora-_- Well-Known Member

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    I actually dig this idea, it'd be pretty unique since we don't actually get that much German diesel action.
    Also, we still don't have the BR 232?
     
  4. AmityBlight

    AmityBlight Well-Known Member

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    I'd buy this one in an instant!

    For one, it is a VERY scenic and beautiful route. At times rubbing elbows with Lake Constance (Bodensee), then veering off into the rolling countryside, through forests and hills... And especially between Friedrichshafen and Lindau, a wide variety of gorgeous cherry, pear and apple orchards as well as some vineyards. This scenery would be fun to drive through in all seasons! :love:

    If this wouldn't be set in the (near-)present, but rather some years earlier, like around 2010, the whole route would be non-electrified. The 218 still is sorely lacking a worthy playground. Also, at this time, n-Wagen were still in use in some services there, so the diesel-cab n-Wagen could finally find some better use than the (honestly a bit boring) runs from Lübeck to Hamburg! :D
    Setting the route in the early 2010's would bring the added benefit that most of the relevant rolling stock is already available.
    -218 (check)
    -n-Wagen (check)
    -Dosto's (check)
    -628 (check)
    -612 (check)
    -650 (to be made, but could be subbed with 642)
    -something for cargo, either a 232 (pending?) or a 290 (to be made, would be the better fit here)

    Also, it MUST include the tiny branch from Friedrichshafen Stadt to Friedrichshafen Hafen. This gotta be Germany's shortest route... the platform ends of both stations are about 60 meters apart :cool:
     
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  5. TrainBrain

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    Normally, we couldn’t sub the 650 with 642 as they don’t drive around here, I’d rather have the 628 as a layer as it’s not operating anymore. The branch to Friedrichshafen Hafen would be important, even though it’s 700-800 Meters.
     
  6. TrainBrain

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    The reason why there are 2 IRE 3s is that before the Südbahn (Ulm-Friedrichshafen) was Electrified the IRE 3 was one line between Ulm and Basel (Via Friedrichshafen) after the electrification the train was split up into IRE 3 (Ulm-Friedrichshafen-Lindau) and IRE 3 (Friedrichshafen-Basel), even though there are 2 Direct Diesel Trains also called IRE 3 from Ulm to Basel.
     

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