Crash In Consist Editor After Loading At 5-6%, Is There A Quick Fix To This?

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  1. pasictarik10

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    Lately I'm always having crashes (tempdump, out of memory frontend error) in the consist editor. It usually loads to 5% or 6% before crashing and exiting to Windows. Unfortunately the LogMate and error report doesn't show the faulty asset responsible for the crash. The fact that it crashes at 5-6% makes me think the issue is with a recently added asset (trainset) but after deleting all the more recent files and doing trial-error, I was not able to find the faulty asset and fix the issue. Is there a quick way to fix this? I have 770 asset files, sure I can delete a bunch and do trial-error back and forth but it would take me up to a week potentially.

    Thanks in advance!
     
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    Would it be a recent addition though? Does the CE load in date order or alphabetical order?
     
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    I suspect it loads in date order rather than alphabetical order but I have no idea. Hopefully someone else knows. It's frustrating that in these situations you don't have a software or something to indicate precisely where the problem is.
     
  4. Spikee1975

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    The only "quick fix" is to delete the invalid blueprint(s) causing the crash.

    As we don't know what you have installed, it's up to you finding it, using the methods described in many threads.
     
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    There doesn't seem to be any quick methods, as far as I know.
     
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    There is not a Quick Method as there is no way to know which blueprint is faulty.
     
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    That's sad, I was really hoping there was...
     
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    If you already know which items are faulty you could remove them.

    The problems occur when third party repaints and/or modified blueprints are added to the Assets folder.
     
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    I have no idea which items are faulty, I have third party content so it's probably that but I have 770 Assets folders.
     
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    Weirdly enough, I deleted some folders and started doing trial-error. Now it goes up to 31% instead of 5-6% but it still crashes.
     
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    Try just cutting out the Non-Payware folders and that should make it run ok.
    Then you could try adding them back a few at a time
     
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    Yes, I'll have no choice I guess..
     
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    The problem is on Your Computer with something you Downloaded and installed.
    It is difficult to give you a definite answer to what it could be as everyone's computer has different DLC.
     
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    Right, I just wish there was a relatively quick way to find out what the faulty asset is.
     
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    Please don't take this as me being funny because I'm not, I'm just going to point out the fact that you posted this issue 9 days ago, you've had plenty of time to fix it by now but instead you're still looking for a "quick fix".

    Sometimes you've just got to knuckle down and get on with it.
     
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    Yeah well after 9 days I still haven't figured out what the faulty asset is, that really tells you all you need to know about how complicated this issue is...
     
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    And did you do what I suggested by just copying all your third party assets to a folder on your desktop?
    That is the way to start - if it works ok then you copy the third party assets back a few at a time testing it as you go.

    Was was the last reskin you added to the game - it might be that which is faulty.
     
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    I started doing it but it looks hopeless, it hasn't helped so far.

    I've been adding reskins (and other things) on a weekly basis for the past 6-12 months.
     
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    If I add a new Loco/unit/wagon I try it out.
    I had one a few weeks ago and I could pick it but it would not appear in the game
    So if the Consist editor tried to use that loco it would crash

    Spikee1975 posted a picture in another thread showing RW Enhancer 2 has a Consist Editor.
     
  20. Spikee1975

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    What have you done to find the corrupt assets so far?

    Again:
    -Move 50% of the Asset Provider folders to a temporary folder.
    -check Consist Editor
    -if crashes, again select 50% of the remaining Providers and move them away - if not, move 50% of the backup folders back
    -repeat until you hit the baddie

    It won't take you a week to do this. No one here can fix it for you. DTG only support their content, and that's not crashing the CE.

    And use LogMate's output - it is extremely helpful because it tells you which blueprints contain invalid data.
     
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    I'm starting to call BS on that because everytime I have a crash, whether it's in the consist editor or while driving or while loading a route, it's a different blueprint being indicated in LogMate as the one containing invalid data. I cannot have invalid data in 100 different blueprints.
     
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    I don't have RW Enhancer 2 unfortunately.
     
  23. Spikee1975

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    Hear hear. Why not (evidence please)?

    Don't count on me, I'll ignore you from now on. You're pretty annoying. I'll not waste any more time on your ever same issues. You are never cooperating when people offer help and know everything better. Try on rail-sim.de, maybe they still got nerves for you...

    Do a forum search, all info has been given to you. Now just do the job yourself once.
     
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    What does rail-sim.de have to do with this?? Who are you? Thank you for the warm welcome!
     
  25. Spikee1975

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    If you're calling out the methods provided BS, then don't wonder why you're pissing off people. You have a crappy installation, which is not our problem. You know exactly what to do but you are whining around for days instead of doing what was told, instead you know better.

    Good bye from me now. I've got a job to do - my GP60M is waiting for me to haul a load over Marias Pass.
     
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    I'm not calling the methods BS, I'm calling the LogMate BS because its error data makes no sense.
     
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    Simple fix..

    Uninstall everything, base game as well and start over, installing reskins and stuff as you go, but always fully test each one after you've installed it.

    That's the simplest fix, whether you like it or not is besides the point, we don't care.
     
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    If LogMate calls out several issues then guess what - you have several issues. For the Steam content simply validate the installation with the Steam tool. For all other non-Steam you will need to either delete or re-install. One typically pays for good product (DTG, AP, Justtrain etc). If you are downloading freeware then you run the risk of downloading corrupt files. As my mother used to say ‘Keep it clean’. The pc that is
     
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    The problem I have with LogMate is that it keeps pointing out different things after every crash, it's never consistent which A) Makes it hard to know where the problem lies and B) Makes it hard to even trust LogMate in the first place.
     
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    I would start by resyncing all of your Steam data. 3rd party updates could have corrupted these. This would potentially remove a lot of the errors you are seeing. The list from LogMate should then be manageable.
     
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    What do you mean resyncing?
     
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    Verify Your Game Files
     
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    I've just verified (resynced) the game files, the consist editor still crashes at 5-6% regardless.
     
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    Are you saying you cannot now play any of the DTG routes as written or are you attempting to modify existing scenarios?
     
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    The TSC in game consists editor has never worked for me as far as I can tell.
    I create/ edit all my consists in RWE2.
    I know it’s more payware, but if it solves the problem and let’s you get on enjoying TSC I would recommend investing as a quick fix,
    Otherwise, I wish you luck trying to locate the problem as others have outlined. (Sounds like looking for a needle in a haystack)
     
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    That is normally because you have a defective Reskin.
    It is a problem when you add Freeware stock but you don't try them.

    A lot of us Download Reskins and when you try placing the thing on the track it does not appear.
    Same when you run a scenario and it says "Unable to find loco/wagon xxxx"
    The Consist Editor is basically saying the same thing.

    People say use RWE 2 but I don't know what happens when it finds a dodgy reskin in the Consist Editor.
     
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    As someone who has never used the TSC in game consist editor, I have just got it working by doing the following:

    Step 1 - Open TSC In 64Bit Mode, Open Consist editor in the QD Menu and got an instant crash to desktop.

    Step 2 - Open TSC In 64Bit Mode, In settings, clear cache, and close game.

    Step 3 - Open TSC in Experimental mode, Open consist editor in the QD menu.
    TSC wobbled and got stuck 3 times and took me out of the game and back to Windows, but by clicking on TSC in the tool bar, TSC was still running and then continued towards 100% opening the editor.
    Edited an existing consist near the top of the list (a AP class 150), saved it as a new name and then closed down TSC.

    Step 4 - Open game in 64Bit Mode, and so far have been able to create and edit consists!
     
  39. pasictarik10

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    No, I'm saying I can't access the consist editor where you create and assemble trainsets.
     
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    Yes it's probably a defective reskin, I'll just have to find it somehow.
     
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    UPDATE:

    I have began doing trial-error and deleting some files. After I deleted the first batch, the loading on the consist editor screen goes up to 22%, after I deleted a second batch, it's now going up to 35%. I'm not sure what that means but I will keep on deleting and testing.
     
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    Simple - it means some of the assets you removed are defective and part of those causing the crash
     
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    But why would the loading percentage before it crashes get higher as some assets are removed?
     
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    As there are fewer errors it gets further
     
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    If you are having so many reskins and the like fail it sounds to me like you're not installing them properly, and you're certainly not testing each and every one after you installed it.
     
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    I am and there is absolutely no evidence that the crash is caused by reskins.
     
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    So what have you removed that is causing the Consist Editor to get further?
     
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    Several assets folders which I thought could be suspicious. Some were reskins but not all of them were reskins. The search goes on...
     

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