Route Paris - Lyon - Marseille Main Line: Dijon- Ville To Mâcon- Ville ( Bourgogne ) New French Route

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Caravatt, Sep 18, 2024.

  1. Caravatt

    Caravatt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2023
    Messages:
    752
    Likes Received:
    2,026
    Good afternoon everyone. Today I'll continue with my second proposal for a French ordinary route: the "PLM" ( or "Ligne Impériale") Paris-Lyon-Marseille Main Line. In particular, the Dijon-Ville/Mâcon-Ville section. It would be set in 2022, in the transition period between the old and new commuter traction. We're in Eastern France, in the Bourgogne-Franche-Comté Region. Between the Côte-d'Or and Saône-et-Loire departments.
    The huge valley of the Saône and Doubs Rivers extends between the Morvan and Jura mountain ranges, forming the backdrop to this route. The endless vineyards to the North and the cultivated fields/meadows South. All dotted with numerous manors/Châteaux that characterise this area of France. All so close to Switzerland! The route starts from the important city of Dijon, primary crossroads between numerous lines here, descending towards the towns of Beaune and Chagny. Until reaching Chalon-sur-Saône. From here, following the Saône, you cross Tournus. Reaching the final destination, Mâcon. The last Burgundy city before entering Auvergne Rhône-Alpes, towards Lyon. This is my Paris-Lyon-Marseille Main Line: Dijon-Ville to Mâcon-Ville!

    GENERAL FEATURES

    - 125.5km(78mi) main line length + 2km(1.2mi) freight branch.
    - Double track, standard gauge (1435 mm/4 ft 8+1⁄2 in), electrified 1,5kV DC OHLE.
    - Single track, unelectrified (freight branch).

    Equipped with:
    - BAL (Block automatique lumineux), as signaling system.
    - KVB (Contrôle de vitesse par balises), as regards safety system.
    - GSM-R, as comm.

    - 1.6% (16x1000) max gradient.
    - 140-160km/h (87-100mph) max speed (passenger). 120km/h (75mph) max speed (freight).

    Line managed by:
    - SNCF Réseau S.A., public company.
    Passenger service operated by:
    - SNCF Voyageurs S.A.
    brands:
    a) TER Bourgogne-Franche-Comté, traded as TER Mobigo
    b) TER Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes, traded as TER AURA
    c) TGV InOui
    d) Oslo (OuiGO Classique)
    Freight service operated by:
    - FRET SNCF S.A., public company.
    - Akiem S.A., public-private company.
    - DB Cargo France S.A. (ECR/EWS) public-private company.
    + others.

    ROUTE AND STATIONS

    The route has a total of 16 active stations/stops, as well as an additional 3 abandoned/deactivated. Including Dijon-Ville and Mâcon-Ville.

    The calls are, as follows:

    - Dijon-Ville, route's northeastern terminus. Km314*
    - Gevrey-Chambertin, km325*
    - Vougeot – Gilly-lès-Cîteaux, km331*
    - Nuits-Saint-Georges, km337*
    - Corgoloin, km343*
    - Beaune, Km351*
    - Meursault, km358*
    - Chagny, Km366*
    - Rully, km369*
    - Fontaines-Mercurey, km373*
    - Chalon-sur-Saône, route midpoint. Km382*
    - Sennecey-le-Grand, km398*
    - Tournus, Km408*
    - Fleurville – Pont-de-Vaux, Km422*
    - Senozan, km429*
    - Mâcon-Ville, route's southwestern terminus. Km440*

    * Distance from route origin, Paris G-d-L (Km0).

    ROUTE PLAN
    upload_2024-9-18_16-16-46.jpeg
    General view of the route. Up left box, Dijon area detail.

    upload_2024-9-18_16-18-23.jpeg
    Note (green) all currently active connections.

    PASSENGER SERVICE

    TER

    - TER Mobigo Paris-Bercy – Dijon – Lyon
    [direct regional]:
    a) Lyon Part-Dieu/Perrache > Dijon-Ville
    b) Dijon-Ville > Paris-Bercy
    c) Lyon Part-Dieu/Perrache > Paris-Bercy

    - TER Mobigo/AURA Lyon – Mâcon – Dijon
    [local regional]:
    a) Mâcon-Ville > Dijon-Ville [TER Mobigo]
    b) Chalon-sur-Saône > Dijon-Ville [TER Mobigo]
    c) Chalon-sur-Saône > Mâcon-Ville [Both]
    d) Lyon Part-Dieu > Mâcon-Ville [Both]

    - TER AURA Lyon – Mâcon – Dijon
    [direct/local regional]:
    a) Dijon-Ville > Lyon Part-Dieu/Perrache [direct]
    b) Mâcon-Ville > Lyon-Perrache [local]
    c) Mâcon-Ville > Lyon Part-Dieu [direct]

    - TER Mobigo Nevers – Autun – Dijon
    [direct regional]:
    a) Nevers > Dijon-Ville
    b) Le Creusot-Ville > Dijon-Ville
    c) Étang-sur-Arroux > Dijon-Ville

    - TER Mobigo Montchanin – Chalon-sur-Saône
    [direct/local regional]:
    a) Montchanin > Chalon-sur-Saône [local]
    b) Montchanin > Chagny [local]
    c) Chagny > Dijon-Ville [direct]

    GRANDES LIGNES

    - TGV InOui
    [mainline/cross-sector]:
    a) Lyon Part-Dieu > Strasbourg
    b) Lyon Part-Dieu > Mulhouse
    c) Montpellier Saint-Roch > Luxembourg
    d) Montpellier Saint-Roch/Marseille Saint-Charles > Metz/Nancy
    e) Marseille Saint-Charles > Frankfurt A.M.

    - TGV Lyria [mainline, FR-CH]:
    a) Paris-Gare-de-Lyon-->Lausanne
    b) Paris-Gare-de-Lyon-->Bâle-->Zurich
    AI Only Dijon-Ville.

    - OuiGO Classique
    [mainline]:
    a) Paris-Bercy --> Lyon-Perrache

    FREIGHT SERVICE

    Freight service on this route would be complex & articulated. 3 yards available:
    - Chalon-sur-Saône
    - Perrigny
    - Gevrey

    E.g.

    - Mixed, Gevrey Yard-->Sibelin
    - Mixed, Portes-->Culmont-Chalindrey
    - Mixed, Woippy-->Sibelin
    - Intermodal, Vénissieux-->Le Havre
    - Hoppers, Port-St-Louis-du-Rhône-->Perrigny Yard
    - Tanks, Gevrey Yard-->Sibelin
    - Logs, Nuits-sous-Ravières-->Tarascon
    - Tanks, Gevrey Yard-->Miramas
    - Intermodal, Vènissieux-->Valenton
    - Tanks, St-Clair-les-Roches-->Valenton

    ROLLING STOCK

    TER (Traction)

    - BB 7200R/22200 "Nez Cassés" DC/Bi-current locos, TER Mobigo/TER AURA.
    7200-22200.jpg

    TER (Loco-hauled)

    - Corail VU A10u/B11u+B5uxh and VTU A10tu/B11tu+B5uxh Regio coaches, TER Mobigo/TER AURA.
    upload_2024-9-18_16-37-52.jpeg

    Please put your LIKE here first, thank you!


    Continue Below...
     
    Last edited: May 5, 2026 at 10:10 PM
    • Like Like x 8
  2. Caravatt

    Caravatt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2023
    Messages:
    752
    Likes Received:
    2,026
    Page 2

    TER (Self-propelled)

    - Z 54500L Régiolis EMU, TER Mobigo.
    upload_2024-9-18_16-41-23.jpeg

    - AGC B 81500 (BGC) & Z 27500 (ZGC) BMU/EMU, TER Mobigo/TER AURA.
    upload_2024-9-18_16-42-37.jpeg

    - X 73500 A-TER Diesel-hydraulic railcar, TER Mobigo.
    upload_2024-9-18_16-43-48.jpeg

    MAINLINE

    - TGV 2N2 Avelia Euroduplex & TGV Réseau High-speed trains, TGV InOui/Lyria.
    upload_2024-9-18_16-45-59.jpeg

    - BB 22200 "Nez Cassés" Bi-current loco + Corail VTU B10/B11tu IC coaches, OuiGO Classique .
    upload_2024-9-18_16-46-48.jpeg

    Continue Below...
     
    Last edited: May 5, 2026 at 9:57 PM
    • Like Like x 1
  3. Caravatt

    Caravatt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2023
    Messages:
    752
    Likes Received:
    2,026
    Page 3

    FREIGHT

    - BB 27000/27000M Prima Bi-current loco, FRET SNCF/Akiem.
    upload_2024-9-18_16-50-29.jpeg

    - E 186 TRAXX II AC/DC loco, DB Cargo France/ECR.
    upload_2024-9-18_16-51-13.jpeg

    SHUNTING

    - BB 60000 & BB 69400 "Mouettes" Diesel-electric heavy shunters, FRET SNCF.
    upload_2024-9-18_16-52-5.jpeg

    STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES

    STRONG POINTS
    - The route is long but quite linear.
    - Huge number of services during day.
    - Good number of stops.
    - Good mix between stop patterns, with many service intersections.
    - Excellent mix of TER, TGV and OuiGo Classique services.
    - Presence of freight traffic (lot of).
    - Presence of many shunting and delivery/collection activities, in the 3 yards and others terminals present.
    - Good balance between passenger, freight and shunting/deliveries services.
    - Good scenery variety: cities, small towns and countryside/hills.
    - Stunning and immersive landscape, full of details (manors and châteaux, for example).
    - Presence of a terminal dedicated to Butane gas and an entire freight branch with companies served.
    - Most of the rolling stock could be used on other future/past French routes (AGC on Marseille-Avignon comes to mind).
    - E 186 would also be easily reusable in other European routes, such as German ones.

    WEAK POINTS
    - The route is quite linear.
    - 3 stations are abandoned.
    - Some small stops are underserved during day, making them a bit useless.
    - Many lines connected to this route are closed/demolished.
    - The density of buildings in the Dijon area could lead to some performance issues.

    STATION PICS

    upload_2024-9-18_16-55-40.jpeg
    Dijon-Ville main station, North-East terminal of the route and main railway hub of Bourgogne-Franche-Comté.

    upload_2024-9-18_16-56-6.jpeg
    Beaune station, main stop in the Dijon/Côte-d'Or suburban area.

    Continue Below...
     
    Last edited: May 5, 2026 at 9:54 PM
    • Like Like x 2
  4. Caravatt

    Caravatt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2023
    Messages:
    752
    Likes Received:
    2,026
    Page 4

    upload_2024-9-18_16-57-56.jpeg
    Chagny station, major crossroads towards Never (diesel line). It also marks the border between Côte-d'Or and Saône-et-Loire.

    upload_2024-9-18_16-58-25.jpeg
    Chalon-sur-Saône station, intermediate stop on the route. Terminus of some TER services in the region.

    upload_2024-9-18_16-58-44.jpeg
    Mâcon-Ville station, South-West terminal of the route. It's also an important stop near the LGV Sud-Est Junction of Loché.

    The other station buildings following the general style of Chagny.

    ROUTE VIDEOS


    OuiGo Classique Service Lyon-Perrache-->Paris-Bercy. Here Lyon-Perrache--->Dijon Ville.
    BB 22200+Corail VTU.
    PS. Turn up the volume and enjoy the sound of this monster!


    FRET SNCF Intermodal freight service Dourges--->Perpignan. Here Dijon-Perrigny (yard)-->Lyon-Perrache.
    BB 27000 Prima FRET.

    Please, only consider the Mâcon-Ville-->Dijon-Ville section.

    IMAGES

    upload_2024-9-18_17-1-41.jpeg
    Left: Dijon, with the three characteristic churches, dominating the skyline.
    Right: General view of the countryside around Beaune.

    upload_2024-9-18_17-2-5.jpeg
    Left: Château of St-Jean-le-Priche, directly close to the route (between Mâcon and Senozan). Excellent example of a historic structure visible from the railway.
    Right: Mâcon, seen from the Saône.

    Caravatt :)

    PS. Integrations and corrections are always welcome! Don't hesitate! Since I live a few thousand km from this route, there may be some small errors!
     
    Last edited: May 5, 2026 at 10:03 PM
    • Like Like x 3
  5. -_-LivvuAurora-_-

    -_-LivvuAurora-_- Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2022
    Messages:
    884
    Likes Received:
    1,306
    (Apogies for the comment being posted too early previously)
    I'd love more French content as ever since LGV Méditerranée, I've been craving for more Scenic French countryside!
     
    • Like Like x 2
  6. Caravatt

    Caravatt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2023
    Messages:
    752
    Likes Received:
    2,026
    Yes, I think it's time for a French line outside LGVs. This is an excellent proposal, as the route is located right between two LGVs (Sud-Est and Rhin-Rhône), acting as a link between them. There are also some Lyria services to/from Switzerland (Dijon only). Again, this is a good route!
    PS. Thank you for removing your post above!
     
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2024
    • Like Like x 1
  7. joffonon

    joffonon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2023
    Messages:
    851
    Likes Received:
    1,785
    I'd love a busy French route. Nice suggestion!
     
    • Like Like x 1
  8. razmatus#2517

    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2022
    Messages:
    3,994
    Likes Received:
    2,927
    would love a route with both KVB and TVM sections
     
    • Like Like x 1
  9. Caravatt

    Caravatt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2023
    Messages:
    752
    Likes Received:
    2,026
    Thanks! As I said before, this route would be perfect to start!

    Actually, the whole route is under KVB. If you want to switch between the two systems, you should add 4km of tracks, down to Mâcon-Loché TGV! Just south of Mâcon-Ville.
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2024
    • Like Like x 1
  10. irickroll#4031

    irickroll#4031 Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2023
    Messages:
    171
    Likes Received:
    148
    We need lil nez to be added.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  11. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2021
    Messages:
    9,710
    Likes Received:
    6,037
    Bring It On instead of the BB27000 why not make it BB37000 that way we can actually operate them into Germany think of the Hauptstrecke Forbach Saarbrücken Kaiserslautern Mannheim Hbf route. Additionally the 2n2 is 15kv 16.7hz AC capable PZB make sure it has this station said on the display screen Gare Centrale Francfort sur le Main which is the French translation of Frankfurt am Main Hauptbahnhof.

     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. Caravatt

    Caravatt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2023
    Messages:
    752
    Likes Received:
    2,026
    As for the 37000/37500, well, they're not so common on this route. They're mainly used for intermodal or international convoys. You can see some of them on the Bresse Line (Bourg-en-Bresse - Dijon)! It wouldn't be difficult to create one from the 27000. The differences are: power, drive engines (37500) and with 3 pantographs instead of 2.

    Are you talking about my proposal? :)
     
    • Like Like x 1
  13. WabbeLKonG

    WabbeLKonG Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2024
    Messages:
    69
    Likes Received:
    161
    No, it just didn‘t exactly understand driverwoods‘ post, but no offense :)

    (But as for your proposal, it looks great! Day one purchase for me :love:)
     
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2024
    • Helpful Helpful x 1

Share This Page