Get ready for them to blame simmers... BBC News Article - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgm1xmjjepo
"Both are fans of the computer game Train Sim World" is missing i guess.... No Joke its bizar why people do this things....
It sometimes feels so... surreal? Bizarre? Unbelievable as a European to hear the things that go on in the United States. It's almost like Grand Theft Auto.
In all honesty this sounds like a complete failure on the TA’s part. You can use simulators to get all the experience you want, but how on earth are they getting access to master keys/handles? It’s not unheard of & id even go as far to say it’s not rare to hear about someone accessing train cabs, but fortunately the control desk has been locked & no method of enabling it left behind (as far as I’m aware).
So Forza is to blame if someone steals a car then. Ridiculous in the age when every information is available by googling and ChatGPT.
Every teen knows to drive a car is that a good excuse? No! Its criminal and bizar behaviour. Not a bad thing at the railway company
You think the railway company isn’t at fault for leaving an unsecured train & an undefined access to master keys?
When you forget to save/close your bicycle and somebody steels it... Than its not allowed to do and its steeling! You dont touch stuf that not belongs to you... So if there is a train prepared for services that you did not steel it.
Things are going crazy in Liberty City, the LTA is really struggling with the pandemic of train surfers who end up sometimes as red mashed potatoes or intrusions inside the cab. Even though this time it’s due to MTA’s incompetence, chances for a future DLC with MTA, featuring LIRR or a subway line are null now…
Yeah correct thats the half part that i have written... Than there is no reason to take criminal action and stealing a train or what ever
You are aware that more than one party can be at fault? Should the person who took a train for a joyride be held accountable? Of course Should the transit authority be held accountable for failing to secure the train in the first place? Absolutely Forgetting to lock your bike & not securing a train are two wildly different things.
I always regret not being able to be the one to stand up on a long haul flight, when the stewardess came through going, “What are we going to do, the pilot and first officer both collapsed with food poisoning “, to stand up and say, “That’s alright love, I’ve got 300 hours in MS Flight Sim, I’ll take it from here.”
It depends though, how exactly was it secured? If Northern have stabled a 156 at Man Vic and someone wanders over and takes it for a spin, are they in the wrong? Being a volunteer on a heritage line I have my own set of keys and also the knowledge to drive it, in this instance it would wholly be on me and not Northern, the same could be said for my full time job if I decided to take an A320 for a spin though fortunately you'd hope that airfield ops would prevent access (but as we've seen in the US with the Horizon Air Dash-8 it is still possible). Just a quick disclaimer, I have no intention of stealing Super Sprinters of Airbus A320s
If you have your own master key, then yes it would be an abuse of your responsibilities & access. However id imagine such an incident would lead to the question “why was Phil allowed to keep a master key?”. If you walked upto a 156 in Vic & found an operational cab keyed in, then that’s a failure on the ToC’s part & they would need to investigate how the train was not properly secured.
I am fairly sure there would be someone selling keys for trains somewhere. I don't really know what the keys look like, but a quick search on Google for 'train keys for sale' brought up Etsy listings and Ebay listings. Whether they'd work, I'm not sure. I've always wondered if they'd ever do that. I would've thought an airline would entrust the plane to a flight attendant rather than a random passenger, if no licenced pilot was on board. However, you make it sound like you have been in such a situation before. Have you, and did someone actually volunteer like that?
No never, but I guess it’s every flight sim enthusiast’s wilder thought. The odds that you would still end up In a fireball before reaching the airport notwithstanding. No Esc key and pause button in real life!
Well funnily enough this happened to me two years ago, now my Flight Sim hours are now just over 15,000 (going back to 1998) but the actual thing that swung it was that I have a PPL (Private Pilot License) and happened to be operating as cabin crew/flight attendant on said flight when our captain ended up being incapacitated. In accordance with our procedures I occupied a jumpseat in the cockpit and assisted the First Officer with his checklist, nothing else as they are trained to fly it on their own with just us to read the checklist. Now had they both had the fish well son that'd have been a different story Yeah I think we are both making the same point, it would be an abuse of my responsibilities in that hypothetical scenario and that the TOC would not be to blame however they would equally so be not to blame had some miscreant managed to obtain a desk key from somewhere and stole the train, but quite right if it was just left unattended and keyed in that's on the TOC and crew
I just want to quickly add my input as a resident New Yorker, and someone with experience riding the subway. The NYC subway system is, for lack of a better word, an experience. Picture any of the Fail Blog, meme, and TikTok videos you've seen of crazy, bizarre, outlandish things happening onboard a subway train, and I would make a pretty safe bet it happened on an NYCTA train. My wife and I have a running joke when we watch these, where we'll look at each other and say, "Still not the weirdest thing we've seen on the subway!" When you pack 1.6 million people from all walks of life, income, and education onto a 22 square mile island, before you even bring up the outer boroughs, things are going to get interesting fast. And that's without the millions of tourists and visitors that explore the city every single day. Because of the nature of the transit system in NYC, you get some bad seeds that lead to incidents such as this. Trespassing, graffiti, vandalism, theft... there's not a city in the world that doesn't see these acts to one degree or another. When I first looked at this thread before even reading the article, my first thought was someone either stole transit keys and/or sold/bought them off eBay, Facebook Marketplace, Craigslist, etc. Then I read the article, "At the time, officials speculated that a stolen key was used." It shouldn't happen, but it does. Reading the article it sounds like they broke into a yard, and using stolen keys they moved the train within yard limits. The way the NYCTA operates, even if they were lined for active tracks, they would've been tripped by a red signal and had the brakes dumped. RTC watches every single train in the system like a hawk. It's happened before, it will happen again. That said, New York City is a fantastic city to visit. The museums, the food, the parks, the energy; it's a whole other world. A lot of media tends to overstate the worst the city has to offer, but it's not some anarchic society where trains are hijacked at every station and people are stabbing and shooting each other constantly. The MTA has their own police force that is visible system wide (as well as plain clothed), and work in unison with both the NYPD and State Police. Treat NYC like you would any other major population center in the world... don't keep your wallet in your back pocket and make a show of valuables, watch your surroundings and be in the moment (not glued to your phone), ignore and avoid 'sus looking people and the homeless residents (not to say homelessness is a crime, but too many have untreated mental health issues), and do some planning before your trip (know where you want to go, how you want to get there, what neighborhoods are iffy at night, etc.)
Usually it’s dafties trying to surf the trains. Now they are going a step further trying to steal them. Putting other peoples lives at risk… It’s sad we don’t have any proper NYC Subway routes in TSW but I can also understand why…. Too risky.
Yes, but you also have the responsibility to secure your bike properly so people don't have the chance to steal it.
Not to mention when someone steals your bike it's not really putting all the people travelling on nearby cycle paths in danger.
Honestly, when it comes to NYC trains, I would be far less worried about kids getting their hands on unsecured keys than I am the NYPD deciding it's open season on passengers. https://www.techdirt.com/2024/09/24...anders-fellow-cop-chasing-down-a-fare-jumper/
The worst part is, knowing the NYPD, they have probably already brought charges against the fare dodger for the cop's injuries, and will try to claim "qualified immunity" when the bystanders they shot alongside their coworker bring the same charges against them. But hey, Eric Adams is all about "Making public transport safe".
I saw the tweet from Adams on this, hilarious take on the matter, or it would be if the situation wasn’t so sad.
It's like something out of a Verhoeven satire, you can just see Adams announcing every station is getting an ED-209 unit to handle people jumping the turnstiles.
