Don't know when the timetable was set but until June there was a limited direct Southern service between Hemel Hempstead and East Croydon on weekdays only. This is formed of departures towards East Croydon at 07:31, 11:38, 19:38 and 21:37. Services arrive from East Croydon at 07:26, 11:28, 19:30 and 21:27. It was a limited extension (additional 7 mins journey time) of the all-day service from Watford Junction to East Croydon (Hemel Hempstead is the next stop from Watford).
Yep and it's hated by freight drivers as it causes massive delays due to the way the signalling is around Hemel Hempstead (double blocking). As mentioned above it runs fast from Watford to Hemel, missing out Kings Langley and Apsley.
Has anyone else noticed that some off the stopping markersare way off you on the marker and only half the train is on the platform
Another problem I found last night whilst trying to do some free roam runs. Dc trains don't work on the dc platforms in euston either!
When I started a 350 run from MKC to Eus, the 4 car unit was right back at the north end of the platform. This route needs a serious rework from the ground up.
If anyone wants to know how busy the WCML is, just have a look at the live traffic on here > Signalbox - Live Train Map You'll immediately see that in real life it's significantly busier, I'm not expecting real world volumes of traffic, but I've done a Euston to MK route in game, where I've passed two AI trains total.
Most rush hour services in real life are 8 cars. Some peak services are 12 car. However this timetable is so broken, I doubt whoever built it was aware of train running and what actually runs on the line.
Just a rant i think it's crazy they put a playable tube timetable in here and give no tutorial on how to drive them I understand it's park off the bakerloo dlc but we shouldn't have to buy that just to learn how to drive them i k own there's videos YouTube but that's not the point rant over
Both really useful pieces of feedback to DTG and whoever else but then you blunt the power of your message by throwing in a needless final sentence which, to some, can seem like repetitive whining. I think this kind of thing is often the cause of conflict in these forums. Can you at least kind of see what I mean?
Not really and I don’t regard it as whining. We paid good money for this and DTG have now gone utterly silent on the issues and any fixes. If I want to whinge and whine a bit, I shall (within reason).
You know what’s repetitive? Rivet giving us LOVE timetables. If they want to do that then that’s fine - it’s why I don’t buy Rivet content, but DTG passed this one to them & still sold it as their own. If DTG (yes DTG, not you) find it repetitive then im sure the community team will address it as such.
Missing quite a bit of 390 services i believe and stopping patterns on some 350 services are incorrect
We've known you are unhappy for ages, even though you bought it anyway. Why keep repeating yourself? The feedback of what's wrong is helpful but the rest is, frankly, boring and repetitive.
Mainly the AI ones, I be going on RTT Making sure it is a week day and for example lets say I am at Euston, So I put the time in on RTT for the time it is in game and I will often find lots of missing AI services, not sure about the driveable ones.
Well if you're referring to my final sentence, I don't think an observation on the lack of variety in formations and consists across this timetable is whining.
The loudest whine gets the oil.. and if I may be permitted to thoroughly mix up my metaphors, when the screaming goes silent, that's when to really worry..
There's actually a strong case for whining and persistent complaining. It got us the restoration of the save game, the revision of the NYT timetable, signal improvements to BPE, just to name a few examples. The cadre of apologists on the forum may not like it, but what have they ever done to solve problems or advance the game. I can't think of any business that responds to consumers who simply accept and enjoy whatever's given to them. As someone pointed out, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
AI Pendolinos dont go 125mph, they look really slow when I pass them which annoys me, also the timetable, especially for the DC line with Underground and Overground is so poor. The route is so dead.
Think it becomes quite apparent that DTG handled the Pendolino scenarios as there’s so much more AI traffic all over and even 8 car 350s (just done the Pend No Lean O scenario). Compare this with the 350 scenarios, in one of which I saw precisely 2 other AI 350s on motion and nothing else (the one where you form a 12 car formation).
Boring and repetitive is exactly what WCML will be if improvements are not made. I haven't took the plunge but enough words have been said here to manage my expectations which are that you would have to pay me to waste HD space on it.
Had to laugh, I decided to do a Euston - Birmingham run in TSC today. Unfortunately I had the wrong Class 390 mod so the only one I saw was the one I was driving and the scenario was made with an old weather enhancement pack so I had flashing skies north of Coventry. Neither are issues with TSW. On a more positive, forward-looking note. I think a Class 730 pack should be a priority for DTG. Green 5 car ones for WCMLs and AI around Birmingham New Street, Orange/Purple 3 car ones for BCC. Though the 3 car units have also been used down south for a short while to enable the 319s to go off-lease. Another one handle wonder but they would add modernity and variety to both routes.
Know this is Random But I honestly prefer TSC WCML Euston to New Street’s . Can’t afford all these mods but I still prefer it and it’s mainly due to the distance. Honeymoon period has now vanished for the game.
I agree, I love the WCMLS in TSC, so busy with all the traffic there that should be present, and Euston jam packed. I did a run yesterday and with the RW enhancer 2 it was wonderful to behold. Even Freightliner 66's! By contrast the TSW looks like a ghost town from what I've seen on streams.
I said it myself earlier in discussions before the route came out that it needs a super mega timetable to reflect real life,I don't think it's a complete disaster,but it leaves alot of room for improvement,for example no use of class 37,s no rail treatment train,no rail tours ,and not forgetting the underground and dc line sparse timetable let's hope these things get addressed,then it would be a complete decent route
I am confused here. I have been a user of TSC since it was known as Railworks and as far as I can remember it only supports scenarios and Freeroam. It doesn’t have a 24 hour timetable function so how can it have all the traffic that should be present since all scenarios are just set pieces. The amount of traffic is dependent on what the scenario developer decided to put into their work. The scenario developer basically starts with a clean slate, some take good care in adding additional services, others don’t so how good a run is totally dependent on the developer. I know the timetable on WCML isn’t up to snuff inTSW5, but to say TSC’s WCML “ has all the traffic there that should be present” is a bit misleading for those not familiar with TSC. IF the scenario developer took the time to research the appropriate timetable for the date and put those services into their scenario then I would agree with you, but for the most part, that doesn’t happen. The other difference between the two programs is in TSC your route comes with usually 10 or less scenarios which once run, you are now left to creating your own, doing freeroam, or downloading scenarios from the workshop were the quality varies greatly author to author. Don’t get me wrong, I am an avid TSC users with a large catalog of routes and DLC . Was even a beta tester for a very prolific commercial scenario developer. But TSC does not have the ability to hop in, pick a service and run that service with all other configured services running on the route.
I should check the forum more! I've just spent a week starting to put together a new WCML timetable and now realised someone else is doing the same. Oh well, if the Editor actually gets fixed and lets you cook and pack things as they said it would (unless there's a workaround for the TSW5 one anyone knows of) I can release the current version and see if people would be interested in me developing it further. I've currently got the entire LNR schedule with correct formation numbers, coupling/uncoupling at Camden, MKC and Euston platforms, and am about halfway through testing a full LO 710 schedule, full Southern schedule including the old Hemel turnarounds. My spreadsheet of the full WTT for Avanti is complete so planning to cover all of those, and then on to freight. Happy to share it once complete if people would be interested, ahead of the 'enhancement pack' I'd seen mentioned.
Is there anyway the timetable can be improved for console players? I know console is severly limited on what can be done, yet I was wondering if someone could somehow create a good scenario to subscribe to with a good timetable of AI services shown.
If I remember right, something was said about cooking and packing in the TSW5 route editor being available.
I was talking about the scenarios and assumed everyone here, or the vast majority, would already know that TSC doesn't have a timetable mode! BUT it does have a scenario builder which TSW doesn't, so my point is valid because you can put all the traffic in TSC that you want. In addition the scenario builders tend to put plenty of ai traffic into their creations, erring on the heavy side from what I've seen. Certainly looks better than the WCMLS from what I've seen on here. At the end of the day if you are not happy with the ai traffic in a TSC scenario then you can create or edit your own, from the exact timetable if you wish, so yes that IS possible in TSC. The one I drove yesterday had Euston chockablock with traffic and frequent passes on the line as well,nothing like the TSW streams I watched.
I well understand how TSC works .. I was just letting everyone who might have been mislead by your statement that “all traffic that should be there is present” which it isn’t unless like I said the author placed it in. I do own both the TSC and the TSW WCML DLCs and like I stated in my original reply, it is hit or miss on how well the scenarios are written. While the DC side of the timetable needs improvement, the 390 runs I have made are definitely not void of traffic. Doing a 710 run coming out of Euston passed atleast 4 services between the first stop. Of course I am speaking from my experience directly, I am sure others runs might be less populated. I think you are mistaken about TSW not having a scenario builder since there are plenty of scenarios you can download. It might not be as robust as TSCs but it does have one.
The more the merrier I reckon. I'm really looking forward to your timetable, if you decide to continue that is. Edit: If there's anyone out there who wants to try a back-dated Timetable with silver/blue 350s, silver/red 390s and 313s on LO services I'll love them forever.
TSC has Quick Drive which if put together is decent in my eyes. Where it falls down is when DLC consists are associated with the route and vastly incorrect operating dates are inputted. I'm working on QDs for WCML North for 1990 and had a Black 5 on a coal train pass me. As the creator of the loco had put dates from the 1930s to 2050.
Floating concrete block inside the tracks, near ground signal TK1487. Between Bletchley and Milton Keynes stations.
And another large concrete block, stuck in the tracks just south of Cheddington station. This is really getting past a joke now... How does DTG even miss things like this? I can't be bothered to write anymore support tickets, it's a waste of time.
Rivet were one of the companies who were involved in making this route and therefore several on here are blaming them rather than DTG for some of its shortcomings and errors. A bit like me blaming my butcher for not checking the turkey he sold me is thoroughly cooked before carving it on Christmas day. I'll await puns based on "turkey" and "cooked" and award points accordingly.
I saw the time-lapse and loved what I saw. I do wonder what services will be present at such an early time in the morning which I believe was 1AM or something. Additionally, wonder what the breakdown of services will be for each loco? Class 142 will be interesting as well
