Can we get some clarity on exactly what we on series S should be seeing in timetable mode? According to the article posted by DTG Alex we should have Frankfurt Fulda – Enabled Xbox Series S Layers Playable Layers FlixTrain BR 193 Vectron DB BR 411 ICE-T DB BR 363 from Ruhr Sieg Nord and Hauptstrecke Rhein-Ruhr (Shunting services) DB BR 103 from Linke Rheinstrecke (Rail tour services) RB12, RB 20, RB21, RB22, RB34, RB52, RB53, RB61, RE2, RE9, RE14, RE30, RE68, RE70 (Passenger services using DB BR 114 and 146 locomotives with Dostos between Frankfurt Hbf and Fulda.) S8, S9 (DB BR 423 S-Bahn services – Internal layers within Frankfurt) Sggmrss, Habbiins, Kijls and Tadgs wagons (DB BR 193 Vectron freight services) The above list available but I have some of those listed, I have some that aren't and I don't have some that I should. I currently own all German content except Frankfurt_Fulda (playing via gamepass) and in my timetable loco selection i have available the BR 114 DB 755.2 DBpbzfa DB BR185.2 DB BR 193 Vectron DB BR 411 DB BR 146.2 DB BR 155 PRESS BR 182 MRCE BR185.2 DB ( your guess is as good as mine for why this one is showing twice!) BR185,5 MRCE BR 187 DB BR 423 DB and the OBB 1116. Despite having all German content installed I don't have the 103 available (despite Alex posting that it should be) or the 363
One BR 185.2 is from Ruhr Sieg Nord and Main Spessart Bahn. The second BR 185.2 is from Vorarlberg which was paired with the one from Dresden Chemnitz, which is actually a BR 185.6. But please don't ask me why DTG did it like that
They have absolutely no idea about Series S. They don't know what works on it and what doesn't. All they are doing is guessing. They were surprised when it was discovered that Series S doesn't have all the layers and now they're trying to cover it up, like it was meant to be that way. They are lying. I have the stuff like you do, like the 103 and 363 and guess what, it's not showing up for me either. The layer selection shows all kinds of stuff that Series S can't have which just exposes their lies for all to see. DTG Alex has no idea what he's talking about, asking him about what should work and what doesn't is just a waste of time. That's not personal, everyone at DTG has played us Series S owners like suckers and now they're treating us like we're idiots. San Bernardino doesn't even have the Speedway services, that's like six extra trains that uses no stock that doesn't already come with the route. My guess is that the contract for the programmer on Series S ran out and whatever the build was at that point, was it. DTG won't say so but from me I am sorry that TSW5 doesn't work like we were promised. As for FTF, whatever you have now is probably it. Good luck.
Hello folks - the purpose of this post was to hopefully add more clarity, and not spread more confusion, so I want to apologise. I have requested to check in with our development teams when I get the chance, in order to understand why the initial list isn't as comprehensive as you're seeing in-game, and what elements we may need to update on our announcement. This will likely need to be something we follow up on early next week, so I appreciate your patience until then. Thank you.
Hello Alex, thank you for your efforts. I'm sorry that you're the one who has to pay the price for a bad decision that you certainly didn't make yourself. But ultimately, that's your job. It's a real shame that my suspicion that you had downgraded this track to Gen8 level has now turned out to be true. And it's a real shame that the communication about it went so badly. Regardless of whether it was intentional or not. It's just disappointing. Especially because I thought that the new layer selection would make it possible to decide for yourself which restrictions you wanted to accept. Because it was pretty clear to me that there would be restrictions on the Series S. But the fact that they are now far more profound than I expected is very disappointing. Less play value for the full price. What a shame. But what really annoys me is that the track is almost unplayable even in the heavily trimmed down form. It crashes constantly, on about 8 out of 10 runs. Mostly in Frankfurt, but also just before Fulda and sometimes just in between. After 6 attempts, I haven't been able to complete a single trip with the Flixtrain. Even when I deactivate more layers, such as the entire S-Bahn traffic. That shows me, as a software developer myself, that something fundamental is wrong here. At least have enough respect for your customers to get these problems under control, which, according to what you can read here in the forum, are not only on the Series S, but on all consoles. As beautiful as the route is, it is obviously just built to the limit or maybe even beyond it. I feel sorry for Lukas and the team, who have certainly put a lot of heart and soul into this route. But from my point of view, due to the technical problems, this is unfortunately the worst route that DTG has ever released. And the whole thing fits in with the rest of the disastrous launch of TSW5. Please excuse my frankness.
Thank you for responding with this message, I appreciate the candour, and it's unfortunate that this is the experience you've had with TSW5. Communication is where I take my pride at Dovetail, and in this case, it wasn't delivered as we would have wanted. My role extends beyond sharing communication with players, but also to take their experiences and feedback to our teams, so I wanted to acknowledge that I appreciate the time you've spent writing this response, and I will do my best to form actions from this with our teams who can look to drive improvements and change that ultimately you will be able to feel. Outside of various performance reports, which our teams are investigating closely, we've heard wonderful feedback from players for the Frankfurt Fulda route, and I want you to be able to have the best experience possible. I'll also ask the team more about the potential for more flexibility about what options different platforms have with the layer selector.
Have just checked and the two separate 185.2's are the one from Salzburg Rosenheim with the 185 RP and the other one is 4 others from RSN, S-Bahn Voralberg, MSB & Kassel. seems a strange way to do things when you consider all hundred and twenty twelve 66's we have all come up under one on every route they appear on
Yeah, it's funny that we don't have the Speedway services because you have to run one from the weekend timetable for level one of the mastery! DTG Alex how are we on series S supposed to do masteries when we DON'T have the required services?
Can you also find out why series S DOESN'T have the Speedway services which we need to run to complete level one of the mastery for San Bernadino! At this point I have to say I'm glad that I didn't waste my money on the game and am playing via gamepass because this is absolutely terrible! The freight on WCML that's limited to intermodal (funny how AI gets other freight though) with a timetable that's a complete mess because headcodes are for flask runs, test runs and one is for a 325! A route that was supposed to be coming during 4 that us on Series S don't even have the full timetable on so we can't start the mastery for it nevermind finish it and the devs don't really seem to know what the hell they're doing with the game because we've been told that the LOVE timetable on WCML is the final one! At least Rivet looked at theirs and did something about it for Fife circle when we told them it was garbage! The series S has been around for 4 years (give or take a couple of months) and Matt has acknowledged a number of times it's limited capabilities but the series S is always forgotten when it comes to what will be available to run on any given route. It's about time that DTG remembered the series S exists and told us what we'll get on each route because we can run things that gen 8 consoles can't I.E. I run the full timetable on SEHS and ECML with no issues at all.
Hello - yes, I have just updated our announcement following confirmation from dev teams this morning. You can read this here: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/update-on-xbox-series-s-layers-for-tsw5-core-routes.85222/#post-906457 The reason why there are missing 363 and 103 layers on Xbox Series S is that these were not initially included with the launch, and are being looked at by our teams to add in a post-release update. We apologise for this confusion in our messaging, and I hope the amended copy helps make it clear what is available, and what isn't for Series S players. Many of the additional locos that layer on, listed in the original post for this thread, are bundled with the service layers that are mentioned, so that explains why they're showing up - but for the missing 363/103, these will be coming at a later point.
Hi Alex, thank you very much for the update and some more clarification. My only question left is why don’t we get BR 101 (HRR type, not expert) layers on Series S instead of the BR 103? If memory is the reason, why not give a more modern stock instead of a museal one?
Hi DTG Alex, just wondering will their be a fix for the crashes happening with the series s in terms of the frankfurt fulda route as well as wcml. Or is not ready yet?
Hello Alex. First of all, I recognize your professionalism. I just want to be clear about that. However, I have some problems with your post. I will review it here, in the interest of clarity, which is lacking. Frankfurt Fulda – Enabled Xbox Series S Layers Playable Layers FlixTrain BR 193 Vectron Works! DB BR 411 ICE-T Works! RB12, RB34, RB52, RB53, RB61, RE2, RE9, RE14, RE30, RE68, RE70 (Passenger services using DB BR 114 and 146 locomotives with Dostos between Frankfurt Hbf and Fulda.) No! All these services (except RE 30) are apparently AI using the BR 628 from Niddertalbahn. Now, I own NID, but the only service present for me in-game is RB12. All the rest are listed as from NID but "not owned." So I guess that's broken! The only service listed here that exists how you stated is RE30, using the 114 and 146 as driveable services. S8, S9 (DB BR 423 S-Bahn services – Internal layers within Frankfurt Works! Intermodel-2 (Vectron services – Internal layers within Frankfurt) Works! Sggmrss, Habbiins, Kijls and Tadgs wagons (DB BR 193 Vectron freight services No! The only wagons I see are Sggmrs and Habbiins. What route are the Kijls and Tadgs even supposed to layer in from anyway? They aren't listed in the layer selection tool, or in the roadmap article. And now they magically appear as something I'm supposed to have but don't! AI Layers S1, S2, S3, S4, S5, S6, S7 (DB BR 423 S-Bahn services – Internal layers within Frankfurt Works! Let me be clear about what the bottom line is. DTG clearly, specifically, exactly, absolutely told us that Series S would have all the layers - for both FTF and SBD. That was definitely, completely, demonstrably false. As in, it was totally not true. So, I think something is owed. What is owed is that somebody at DTG needs to play the game with a Series S and compare what we are "supposed to have" with reality. Then, we need to be updated about what we are supposed to have, but do not have (such as what I have just done, but with more information). Finally, let's prioritize adding in both what's currently missing, plus the upcoming patch layers. DTG hasn't admitted they were wrong and I'm not looking for an apology. But let's put a little extra effort into making this situation with the Series S right, after letting us down so badly.
I truly guess DTG don’t own a Series S for testing purposes… Sorry, I just can joke about this situation. Especially since all this doesn’t matter as long as the route crashes more than 90% of the time.
Totally agree because after the Fulda update I STILL don't have the 103 or 363 and after the San Bernadino update I STILL don't have any of the BNSF or UP locos OR any timetable services that run to Speedway so I STILL can't do the level one requirements for the mastery
Matt actually has one in his office! At least he's said he has in streams before so Matt apparently enjoys TSW on the series S
Now I'm completely confused - why am I, as an Xbox Series S player, shown the Expert timetable for the BR 101 on Frankfurt - Fulda, even though the layer for the 101 and the control car aren't included??? Wouldn't it be better if this extra timetable wasn't shown on the XSS at all? This naturally arouses desire and, to be honest, I feel a little bit fooled by it! Like a donkey who has a carrot dangled in front of his nose that he can probably never reach. Or is it planned that I will be able to use this 36 euro add-on on Frankfurt - Fulda later as part of the route optimization? This promised layers are still missing: Blue DB BR 363 from Maintalbahn (This was originally incorrectly listed as the DB BR 363 from Ruhr Sieg Nord and Hauptstrecke Rhein-Ruhr) DB BR 103 from Linke Rheinstrecke (Rail tour services) RB 20, RB21 (Passenger services using DB BR 114 and 146 locomotives with Dostos between Frankfurt Hbf and Fulda.) RB22 (Maintalbahn BR 642 services) TGV from the LGV Méditerranée add-on (This layer is listed, but doesn’t provide any gameplay – See our explanation) I'm at a loss! Please excuse me for showing my displeasure so openly.
